[Yaesu] Quick Question (cw study methods)

[D Dzelsky]

So if, as you say (and I agree) that intracharacter spacing is key
[pun intended] , and , as you also say , paddles generally get that right -
then I would contend that paddles DO foster good code technique.

Especially IF
1.) One listens to the spacing being sent and mimics the dah
     length as the space length, between words.

2.) And you follow (allow to happen) the rhythmic iambic timing
     from dot to dash and vise versa, by not lagging when switching
     from thumb to finger.

3.) And start with at a reasonably slow speed  to begin  the
      learning curve.

This is wordy, but all these things just progress normally when
you use a keyer.   At least that's what I found.
Dave   N3DZ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Schiller" <mschiller@alum.mit.edu>
To: <yaesu@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Quick Question (cw study methods)


> I agree that perfectly spaced code would be a nice goal.  But I think
> it's important to recognize that the only spacing that is really
> critical is the intracharacter spacing.  Past the character I think
> it's reasonable to assume that ANY spacing greater then a dot will
> allow the receiver to figure out what your trying to say.    If the
> receiver can figure out what your saying, then your communicating.
> That should be the goal.  Many folks don't have good rhythm,  I, for
> one, have a lot of trouble getting interword breaks to be the right
> length.  If you know you can't get it right, error on the side of too
> long....  (well that's a good goal, the truth is I run words together
> and/or have word spaces between characters.. BAD ME)
>
> Paddles, DO NOT equal perfect code.  it's extremely easy to confuse
> them and get the spacing wrong.  (For one they know nothing about
> characters or words!  They will generally get intracharacter spacing
> right if properly used... If you really want to guarantee perfect code,
> you need a computer to send it....  That's all there is too it.  A good
> CW operator (Definitely not me!!!) would probably be undistinguishable
> to human, but I can just about guarantee a computer could find fault
> with it.
>
> -- Matthew
> KD6BWE
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 08:17 PM, D Dzelsky wrote:
>
> > Interesting, but I think the opposite.
> > Using an electronic keyer (not bug) allows you to keep hearing
> > perfect code.  At least it seemed this way to me when I learned.
> >
> > Dave  N3DZ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Hickman" <n5cm@rtconline.com>
> > To: "Jay Eimer" <kd5wlx@familynet.net>; <yaesu@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Quick Question
> >
> >
> >> Hi Niel & Gang,
> >>
> >> I have hesitated to comment concerning the learning of CW but -
> >> To develop the correct timing and spacing you need to start
> >> out with a straight key, yes, a straight key because you must
> >> program your sub-conscious  with the correct timing and
> >> spacing....You do yourself a dis-service if you begin with a
> >> semi-automatic telegraph key (Bug) or worse yet, an
> >> electronic keyer....Your sub-conscious will not grove in on
> >> the proper timing and spacing and you will join the crown that
> >> are putting out badly spaced CW because they have not
> >> "groved in" with the staight key....You have probably heard
> >> the expression, "by force of habit"....I have been on the way'
> >> to work and wondered if I had shaved that morning and
> >> reached up to feel my chin! No kidding! When your
> >> conscious mind is taken up with maybe problems and/or
> >> other things, you go thru the routines without paying
> >> conscious attention to what is happening. What is guiding
> >> your movements? The sub-scious of course....
> >> For what it is worth!!!!!
> >>
> >> Ken....N5CM....NNN0FKQ....
> >
> >
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