[Yaesu] Quick Question
The Computer Doctor
[email protected]
Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:41:19 -0600
Another poster that can't read obviously. Where did I say that I want
everything given to me? I made mention of the fact that when the CW
requirement is dropped I will enjoy it, but I never argued that I need it
now.
You think I'm one of the instant gratification crowd?? Yeah right, you know
how many years I spent eating crap cause I couldn't afford groceries, you
know how many years I spent wanting a decent roof over my head, do you know
how many times I turned down help from my family and my wife's family
because I wanted to make it on our own?? Do you think im a gimme person??
How the hell do you know what I went through, go back and take a ride in my
shoes a few years ago when I didn't know how to pay for the next meal, or
how to put gas in our car to get to work, which by the way was nearly an
hour commute one way, but then again I didn't have to walk uphill both ways
in snow up to my ears so you don't realize what I went through. It took me
3 years to pay off two years of vocational school to put me in the position
I am now, I have always enjoyed working with computers, and I built my first
one in the early teen years when a 500MB hard drive was state of the art,
and a 486 at 40MHz was the coolest thing around, 30 pin sims cost a fortune,
and the hard drives were still nearly a dollar a meg, that's how long I have
been into computers, I would have been into the earlier but I was only born
in 1977.
If you think I'm part of the gimme crowd your sadly mistaken, and I have the
physical ailments to prove it. I may only be 26 years old, but my doctor
calls me a young retiree. I can argue like you guys on 3860 every night,
how about this, I have Arthritis in both shoulders, one elbow, one knee, and
both hands cause troubles when working with small parts, but I still work
hard at what I do, I have 80% hearing loss on the left side, and nearly 50%
hearing loss on the right and will require hearing aids soon, and before
anyone says a thing its not because of loud music during the teenage years,
its from loud machinery working on the farm up until I moved off the farm
when I got married, we couldn't afford regular doctors visits and hearing
protection, we were just hired hands, I also wear glasses, and if not for
the modern plastics used in the lenses they would be thicker than the bottom
of coke bottles, some of my early pairs as a child were made from glass and
very heavy, although better materials were available my family couldn't
afford it, sounds like I qualify for the anal incontinence net, at least I
can argue some medical problems to keep up with the old farts. I also quit
smoking two years back when my son was born for his health, you think that
didn't take some dedication??
If I want to do something I can set my mind to it, but I don't want to do
CW. I enjoy satellites, VHF, UHF, 6m and 2m SSB are my favorites, and I
also want to expand with some new gear for other satellite and moonbounce
ops when I find the time and money to do it. I had to save FIVE years to
buy the current rig in my shack, an FT-847 with all the accessories, who
else can honestly say that they had to work that long to buy ONE radio?? I
also want HF for SSB use, and perhaps digital, I started using PSK and SSTV
on 6m this year and it was a blast with all the southern stations on the
air, and the newly available digital voice on HF looks interesting, although
still quite new that's what this hobby is about, the experimentation and
expansion of the current and future technologies. I hardly doubt that CW is
still in development anymore, every other use for it seems to have moved
onto something else, the government obviously thought it was too old to
continue using.
So if you want to bark up a tree take it somewhere else, im not your typical
youngster, and im not about to be insulted and told that I don't know
anything, or that I'm not a real ham cause I choose not to use CW. I
apologize for venting, but the offline messages that I have been receiving
since commenting on the original post have been rather rude and absurd, if
anyone needs to do some growing up its the ones that emailed me directly
only to bicker about how good the code is. To the others that sent words of
support I now know who the real hams are on this reflector. How can anyone
call himself a ham and look down upon his peers?
73,
Scott, KB0NLY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Millick" <[email protected]>
To: "The Computer Doctor" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Quick Question
You are another example of youth today instant gratification and dont want
to work for it If u want to do something you will find the time If u
have to drive put a tape in and listen to the code I have done the
Railroad code when I was 8 and international since I was 15 It is not hard
but the determination to do something. I recently went on a 2 year diet and
lost 118 lbs It is determination to do something you wnat to do no matter
what In ham radio there are times when cw is it and nothing else will do
it even on 6 meters worked 9A and LZ this summer but only cw would do it
as the signals were low. When I took the code test it was before an FCC
examiner at 20 wpm and you had to have 1 minute of perfect copy non of this
easy stuff you do now. Today every one wants it easy and not to work for
it For sum reason this country wants to dumber down everything Grow up
or get out
At 10:30 PM 11/21/2003, you wrote:
>I am The Computer Doctor, self-employed, worked hard to get where I am, and
>I feel CW is something I will never use for many reasons. The main reason
>is I like to talk, not beep, second is hearing loss problems that kept me
>from being a General for years now. I even passed the General Written a
few
>times, but the CSCE expired before passing the CW test. Sure, there is
ways
>around the hearing problems, but if I have to put that much more time into
>it I would just rather set aside this hobby until the FCC gets with the
>program and eliminates the CW test. Its not that I don't enjoy being a
>Tech, I nearly have my WAS on 6, which was no small feat being that I
barely
>get time to turn on the radio unless I'm mobile on the way to a in-home
>service call, and then I only have 2m in the mobile and limited users to
>chat with out here in the less-ham populated area. I work satellites, and
>would like to add AO-40 now that UO-14 is out of the picture, just haven't
>had the time to put the setup together to work it, and with winter here I
>don't think I will have enough time for antenna work or messing around at
>the work bench any time soon, this is my busy time of the year, unlike
other
>professions, people seem to spend more time indoors with their computers in
>the winter, and that keeps me busy.
>
>It has taken me many many hours to get where I am, and it takes many hours
>per week to not only do my job but to stay up to date with all the changes
>in technology. On average, I only get a day per week to enjoy other
>activities, and most of that time is spent with my son and wife, which
makes
>CW the most ridiculous thing to spend time on. I have a lot more important
>things to accomplish on a daily basis, and I never said gimme gimme, so
give
>up on that crap please. You pro-code types think that no one is equal,
well
>I say oh well, the old timers are dying fast. I already lost two local
hams
>that I used to enjoy chatting with, and they didn't seem to mind the
>no-codes. It just gets my feathers ruffled, since I am much more mature
>than others that have emailed me directly off-list I will not repeat or
post
>the bad ones, to the ones that emailed me off list to agree with CW's
demise
>I say Thank You.
>
>Enough of this CW dribble, this is the Yaesu reflector, not the bitch and
>moan about CW reflector.
>
>Scott, KB0NLY
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Darryl J. Kelly" <[email protected]>
>To: "The Computer Doctor" <[email protected]>; "Yaesu"
><[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Quick Question
>
>
>Scott,
>The guys certainly have left you off easy. Learning the code doesn't
require
>total and utter commitment, but like anything of real value, it does
require
>some level of commitment. I notice you call yourself The Computer Doctor.
>Bet
>you didn't learn what you know in a weekend, if you are any good at that at
>all, it has taken many hours, many weeks, many months and more even to stay
>up to speed. I know a little of this from experience and find that computer
>work is tremendously time consuming. Also how can you say that you probably
>will never use the code? That's like saying I don't like spinich, but I
have
>never eaten it. Your post seemed to have a juvenile and unrealistic tone
>that
>I just couldn't let pass. I apolgize in advance for any offense. (Nine
>months
>from Tech Plus to Extra (20wpm) but I'm a little slow, a visual learner.)
>Darryl, KK5IB
>
> >Wow, if your saying that one has to totally change his lifestyle just to
> >learn it then why bother. This is a hobby, and I just see being totally
>and
>
> >utterly committed to learning CW just to upgrade my license, especially
>when
>
> >chances are that I will never use it again after the test. What a waste
of
>
> >life's precious time.
> >
> >Oh well....
> >
> >Scott, KB0NLY
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Harry Hodges" <[email protected]>
> >To: "Neil Kollipara, KC8YFF" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>;
>
> ><[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:34 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Yaesu] Quick Question
> >
> >
> >> Hi Neil,
> >>
> >> I am a VE Site Manager, a 20 wpm Extra Class and the world's second
worst
>
> >CW
> >> operator. I became a Ham in my early 40s when CRS was firmly taking
hold
>
> >of
> >> my neurons. I figure that if I could make it anyone could; however, it
> >takes
> >> COMMITMENT! If you want to do anything bad enough you'll find a way. If
> >you
> >> are blind and want to climb tall mountains you can do it and if you
have
>a
> >> physical impairment and want to sky dive you can do it. You just have
to
>
> >> COMMIT yourself to it, whatever it is.
> >>
> >> In the case of Morse Code or CW, you need to find a tutorial that
matches
>
> >> your learning style. Some people are tactile, or aural, or visual, or a
> >> combination of all these. Once you have found the appropriate program,
>you
>
> >> MUST COMMIT about an hour a day, EVERY DAY, to it. 15-20 minutes in the
> >> morning, 15-20 minutes in the evening, and another 15-20 minutes at
noon
>
> >> time while you go for a walk or sit under a tree meditating. And just
> >don't
> >> practice listening, SEND with a straight key, semi-automatic, or
iambic,
>
> >> whatever but practice converting the written word into sound. As you
> >drive,
> >> or pedal your bike around, convert the street signs and billboard ads
>into
>
> >> code in your head. LIVE, EAT, and yeah, even dream code. At your age
you
>
> >> should ace the test in about 4-6 weeks.
> >>
> >> Now, what does the test consist of? Well first of all, it will be a
> >message
> >> which will contain all 26 letters, numbers 0-9, punctuation consisting
of
>
> >> the comma, period, question mark, and slant bar, and the prosigns BT,
AR,
>
> >> and SK. Now a five minute code test at five wpm will about two lines of
> >text
> >> and will look something like this:
> >>
> >> K1XYZ/4 DE WD3JUW/2 BT RRR JOHN. TNX FOR REPORT. UR RST 579 ? 579 IN
> >> BUFFALO, NY 60 MILES FROM CANADA. NAME IS BARRY AND I RUN 80 WATTS. SO
>HOW
>
> >> COPY? AR K1XYZ/4 DE WD3JUW/2 SK
> >>
> >> Don't know if I got all 26 letters but you get the idea. You have two
> >> chances to pass. One if you have 25 or more characters in a row without
> >> mistake. Letters count one each, numbers, punctuation, and prosigns
count
>
> >as
> >> two characters each. So from the first K to the first R you have 25 and
> >all
> >> the examiners have to do is find 25 in a row somewhere in the text
you've
>
> >> copied. The second chance is to answer 10 questions, e.g. what is the
> >> callsign, how much power, etc? If you answer 7 of 10 correctly, you
pass.
>
> >> Man, this is not rocket science.Over the sixteen years I have been a VE
> >> we've had folks who range from having all their faculties to being
deaf,
>
> >> blind, and bedridden who have passed 5 wpm and beyond. How did they do
>it?
>
> >> COMMITMENT!
> >>
> >> Try what I have recommended and you'll see that it works.
> >>
> >> 73, Harry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Neil Kollipara, KC8YFF" <[email protected]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 20:01
> >> Subject: [Yaesu] Quick Question
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello everyone on the email reflector.
> >> >
> >> > My name is Neil and I am a 13 year old ham in Michigan. I am going to
>go
>
> >> to take the General class test tomorrow with the morse code. I was
> >wondering
> >> if any of you VEs or VECs could tell me if it's legal to write down the
> >dits
> >> and dahs (such as -. for N) instead of the letter because code has been
> >> keeping me back from upgrading, and I came up with this idea in my
>English
>
> >> class. Basically this is what I mean
> >> >
> >> > -.. . -. . .. .-..
> >> > D E N E I L
> >> >
> >> > I appreciate all your guys help. 73!
> >> >
> >> > --Neil KC8YFF
> >> >
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