[WIham] Now "what happened with 2m skip last night?"
Joe
nss at mwt.net
Thu Jun 3 12:49:18 EDT 2010
And Todd I'm surprised you did not mention your presentation.
The Yellow Thunder ARC has a Presentation Todd gave at one of their
recent club meetings all about weak signal work. it's at
http://yellowthunder.org/
Scroll towards the bottom for the link to the video file.
Joe WB9SBD
Near Space Sciences KB9KHO
On 6/3/2010 10:40 AM, Todd Sprinkmann wrote:
> Hello List, (Hi Jimmy)
>
> To the list -- I realize I'm replying to everyone. If you're not
> interested in this discussion, then kindly delete it.
>
> If you're interested in how guys in WI worked FL and TX
> yesterday on 144.200 SSB (give or take a few KC), then
> read on.
>
> Jimmy -- and others who are interested --
> The 144.290 MHz CW beacon out of La Crosse operates
> 24/7/365. It cycles 30 seconds on with its CW message, and
> then 30 seconds off. It sends slowly, so a guy could copy the
> dits and dahs to paper and translate the message later.
>
> If I were you, I'd also plug 144.200 SSB into your rig. That's
> the call freq. on 2m SSB. 50.125 SSB is the call freq. on 6m.
> 52.525 is the call freq. on 6m FM. 146.520 and 146.550 get
> used sometimes. The reason our FM nets are on 146.460 and
> 146.430 is to avoid QRM'ing .52 and .55
>
> 144 SSB is dead most of the time, but in any true opening, you
> could hear some activity. You will also hear activity during a
> contest -- ARRL June VHF QSO Party is June 12-13. Details
> are up on my website -- www.kc9bqa.com Don't forget my
> articles called VHF Contesting School, either. I'm proud of
> those and if you take an hour or so to read thru them, you will
> be ready to try a V/UHF contest. We could use more activity,
> so consider yourself welcome. If you've heard an HF contest
> and thought, "That's too hectic for me", you might enjoy the pace
> of a V/UHF contest. At least listen in and try something new.
> The VHF Contesting School articles are at:
> http://kc9bqa.com/?p=2641 There's plenty of good all-purpose
> information in those articles.
>
> Guys use horizontally polarized antennas on the SSB portions
> of 2 and 6m, which is different from the vertical antennas on FM.
> We also hear lots of white noise because setting your squelch too
> high means you'll miss a lot of signals.
> When I worked WD4AB in Miami, FL on 144.200 yesterday
> about 4pm, he was super light. If I hadn't had the squelch open
> all the way and been using headphones, I doubt I'd have ever
> known he was there.
> Most guys who get enjoyment out of the SSB side of V/UHF
> also end up doing longer yagi antennas, as high as they safely can.
> On "weak-signal" V/UHF gain is everything -- this isn't like HF,
> where a random wire can work the world.
>
> If the band does open, resist the temptation to camp out and
> do all your activity right on 144.200. The idea is make a little
> noise on the SSB call freqs and then take ragchews to another
> freq. and leave the call open so others can use it.
> Last night, with the sporadic E skip opening on 144, guys
> were heard from 144.170 to 144.230 MHz. A lot more
> contacts can be made when guys are considerate and don't
> hog call frequencies. Not hogging the call freq. is especially
> important when the band is open or busy.
>
> V/UHF freqs. typically get better toward and after sunset,
> overnight and into early/mid-morning. It has to do with
> temperature inversions (warmer air aloft over cooler air near
> the surface). Google is everyone's friend. I'm sure using
> search terms like VHF/UHF Tropospheric Ducting would
> keep a guy learning for some time.
> What happened last night on 144 was not weather-related.
> It was an ionospheric deal, where the E layer became ionized
> for a short time. While this is common on HF, it's extremely
> unusual on 2m -- may only happen 2-6 times per year.
> "E skip" on 6m is common; it happens lots in the summer. In
> fact, I'm sure many of you have seen E skip on TV or heard it
> on the FM broadcast band.
> But to have the MUF (Maximum Usable Frequency) go up
> to 2 meters is pretty special. When it happens, you want to
> be quick, get the Q in the log and keep looking for new ones.
>
> Sorry for the length, but I imagine a few guys heard what
> happened yesterday evening on 2m, so I hope this helps
> explain it. I would be curious to hear from anyone who was
> hearing long skip on repeaters or FM simplex. I was totally
> immersed in 144 SSB and didn't think to listen on 146/147 FM.
>
> 73,
> Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee
> www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates
> www.wivuch.com WI V/UHF County Hunters Award
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy c"<kc9pxz at centurytel.net>
> To: "WI_HAM ham"<wiham at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:10 AM
> Subject: [WIham] [La Crosse Hams] [MVARA] La Crosse Area FM Simplex
> Net146.46
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Todd,
>>> thank you for the link. Ni im not on the magic band right now but
>>> that is
>>> one of my radio goals. Si if any know of a 6 meter rig that I can
>>> pick up
>>> at a fair price for somone on disibility let me know. I relize 6 is
>>> not
>>> open all the time but when it is Im told it smokes. I tune in
>>> 144.290. I
>>> have been trying to work simplex on 146.460. I can hit both Lacroose
>>> repeaters I just dont know how well. I just wired a pair of sound pro
>>> Pilot head phones to use with my Icom. Now all I need to DO is order
>>> a 8
>>> pin conector to wire the mic. I am going to make to set ups for this
>>> head
>>> set one for the shack and my Icom 2 meter rig and the other for my
>>> HTs for
>>> when I work the birds. I be listen to the beacon and 146.460 most of
>>> the
>>> day and scanning 2 meters I try the net tonight and later tonight as
>>> well
>>> as greyline ant sunset and again in th AM.
>>>
>>> how often does the 144.290 beacon transmit? I did a search there are
>>> programs out there that I guess tell ya what beacons turn it is and
>>> if it
>>> transmitting or not, can you suggest one? I have missed 2 couple
>>> other
>>> opening on 2 so in trying to make it so I dont mis the next one. or
>>> at
>>> least try not to.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> KC9PXZ
>>> Jimmy C
>>> Norwalk WI
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Todd Sprinkmann"<sprinkies at excel.net>
>>> To: "Jimmy c"<kc9pxz at centurytel.net>; "Wisconsin Ham Radio"
>>> <wiham at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [La Crosse Hams] [MVARA] La Crosse Area FM Simplex Net
>>> 146.46
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 144.290 Jimmy, CW beacon out of La Crosse. That's the
>>>> only one you'd regularly hear with your setup. There used to
>>>> be a stronger one out of the Blue Mounds area, on 144.297 but
>>>> that has been QRT since at least February. Hopefully it will
>>>> come back on.
>>>> Guys in the central or northern parts of the state may hear
>>>> the N8PUM beacon on 144.278 from Ishpeming, in the U.P.
>>>> of MI. I hear that one fairly often, but I have stacked yagis
>>>> up high.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I will send a link to a far larger listing of beacons
>>>> all across the USA. While nights like last night are very unusual,
>>>> you may have some times where you hear DX beacons, if you
>>>> have good antennas up high and are persistent.
>>>>
>>>> The main website is www.newsvhf.com.
>>>> The 144 beacon list is http://www.newsvhf.com/beacons2.html
>>>> Don't think you're doing 6 meters, but if anyone on the list is,
>>>> they might want this 50 MHz beacon list:
>>>> http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/por/50.htm
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee
>>>> www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates
>>>> www.wivuch.com WI V/UHF County Hunters Award
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jimmy c"<kc9pxz at centurytel.net>
>>>> To: "Dave, WV9E"<dave at wv9e.net>
>>>> Cc: "lacrosse_hams_list"<lacrossehams at qth.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [La Crosse Hams] [MVARA] La Crosse Area FM Simplex Net
>>>> 146.46
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KB9KTD - HUBER-LAN - EQ-REPAIRIM be on at 8:30 or a few min before.
>>>> yep
>>>> I guess 2 was pretty hot laye night. I found out it was open on a
>>>> handiham net that I check into allot. I fig. Im going to reporgram
>>>> my 2
>>>> meter rig a bit so i cam listen for the beacons on 2 then when i
>>>> hear it
>>>> the games are a foot. What beacons or beacon you you suggest I
>>>> program
>>>> in? there is lots of memery left on this Icom. suggestoins welcome.
>>>> just
>>>> woundring wicth ones you all listen for?
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Jimmy C
>>>> KC9PXZ
>>>> Norwalk WI
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Dave, WV9E
>>>> To: LaCrosseHams at qth.com ; Wisconsin Ham Radio ; Mailing list for
>>>> the
>>>> MVARA ; Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion ; W9ET_list
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [La Crosse Hams] [MVARA] La Crosse Area FM Simplex Net
>>>> 146.46
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminder, Thursday 8:30 PM turn the 2 meter radio on , set to FM
>>>> and
>>>> join in the chattter. Key the mic and say hi atleast.
>>>> The net is open to all amateurs whether newly lisenced or used
>>>> spark
>>>> as a first rig..
>>>>
>>>> FYI.
>>>> 2 meters was open to FL and TX on Wed late afternoon and 6 meters
>>>> was
>>>> full of calls till midnite. A good opening and we could see hams
>>>> from
>>>> very long distances check in because they hear us on 146.46.
>>>>
>>>> The big contest is little over a week away now.... June VHF.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to hear you on the air.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Dave, WV9E.
>>>>
>>>>
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