[WAR ] WAR Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3

Sat Aug 11 12:55:03 EDT 2012

Hi Len,

I maintain a couple of WAR coordinated repeaters and a remote link. In my
case the repeaters were coordinated with specific, regionally compliant
tone assignments.

I think that the WAR regional tone plans are generally well thought out.
They allow closer physical spacing of the same frequency pairs and yet they
try to make it easier for users in a given area by adopting a common tone
frequency, for example 127.3 in the Milwaukee area.

I have found that if I am going to make any changes that affect my
coordination, it works better to talk it through with Milt and the others
before making the change.

-Glenn DJ0IQ and W9IQ
On Aug 11, 2012 11:12 AM, <war-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Tone Changes (The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters)
>    2. Re: Tone Changes (The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters)
>    3. PL Tone Changes (The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters)
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> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:01:47 -0500
> From: The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters <war at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [WAR ] Tone Changes
> To: <war at mailman.qth.net>
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> If PL/CTCSS is that important, why is WAR NOT assigning CTCSS frequencies
> with the coordination?
>
> I and several other Amateur Repeater owners have non-standard PL/CTCSS and
> there is no real FCC mandate that says we have to conform to a specific
> tone
> plan.
>
> If we constantly hear that keeping up to date records is so important why
> are those keeping the records chiming in on this forum to justify something
> that is so very trivial.
>
> Since I notified WAR of my changes of PL/CTCSS, more that 30-days has past
> and the repeaters that changed PL/CTCSS are still not listed.  I don't
> think
> other states could give a hoot about PL/CTCSS here in Wisconsin.  From what
> I hear they are even harder to contact than the people of WAR. (Read the
> Archives)
>
> If significant change involves anything other than PL/CTCSS, I agree there
> should be a paper re-coordination and the repeater should be considered OFF
> THE AIR until the new coordination is complete.  Changing just a PL/CTCSS
> from a non-accepted to the accepted Band Plan should NOT take the repeater
> out of the listing completely, but reflect the change at next publication.
>
> We are talking about Volunteers in the position to keep these records up to
> date.  De-coordinating because of change of a simple PL/CTCSS is totally a
> waste of valuable time for the assistant coordinator.  It would be much
> easier to just change it at next publication.  What this says to me as a
> repeater owner, is that I don't have a brain in my head and want WAR to
> tell
> me everything.
>
> When I read correspondence from WAR that they don't understand how a Remote
> Base works, I have serious doubts that the right people are minding the
> store.  With all due respect to those all volunteer positions, we DON'T
> need
> the responses from WAR to make us feel they came straight from the Gestapo.
> Remember WAR does NOT and NEVER will have a Federal or State Mandate that
> puts them fully in control of Amateur Radio Services in Wisconsin.  These
> are all Gentlemen's agreements and good practices NOT LAWS.
>
> We need to be treated as friends not SUBJECTS.
>
>
>
> Len Kreyer / N9QIP
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:31:33 -0500
> From: The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters <war at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [WAR ] Tone Changes
> To: <war at mailman.qth.net>
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> Leave the PL tones set for the areas they are in.
>
> 73, Scott  N9FRY
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters" <war at mailman.qth.net>
> To: <war at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WAR ] Tone Changes
>
>
> > >From the W.A.R. Membership Reflector:
> >
> > If PL/CTCSS is that important, why is WAR NOT assigning CTCSS frequencies
> > with the coordination?
> >
> > I and several other Amateur Repeater owners have non-standard PL/CTCSS
> and
> > there is no real FCC mandate that says we have to conform to a specific
> > tone
> > plan.
> >
> > If we constantly hear that keeping up to date records is so important why
> > are those keeping the records chiming in on this forum to justify
> > something
> > that is so very trivial.
> >
> > Since I notified WAR of my changes of PL/CTCSS, more that 30-days has
> past
> > and the repeaters that changed PL/CTCSS are still not listed.  I don't
> > think
> > other states could give a hoot about PL/CTCSS here in Wisconsin.  From
> > what
> > I hear they are even harder to contact than the people of WAR. (Read the
> > Archives)
> >
> > If significant change involves anything other than PL/CTCSS, I agree
> there
> > should be a paper re-coordination and the repeater should be considered
> > OFF
> > THE AIR until the new coordination is complete.  Changing just a PL/CTCSS
> > from a non-accepted to the accepted Band Plan should NOT take the
> repeater
> > out of the listing completely, but reflect the change at next
> publication.
> >
> > We are talking about Volunteers in the position to keep these records up
> > to
> > date.  De-coordinating because of change of a simple PL/CTCSS is totally
> a
> > waste of valuable time for the assistant coordinator.  It would be much
> > easier to just change it at next publication.  What this says to me as a
> > repeater owner, is that I don't have a brain in my head and want WAR to
> > tell
> > me everything.
> >
> > When I read correspondence from WAR that they don't understand how a
> > Remote
> > Base works, I have serious doubts that the right people are minding the
> > store.  With all due respect to those all volunteer positions, we DON'T
> > need
> > the responses from WAR to make us feel they came straight from the
> > Gestapo.
> > Remember WAR does NOT and NEVER will have a Federal or State Mandate that
> > puts them fully in control of Amateur Radio Services in Wisconsin.  These
> > are all Gentlemen's agreements and good practices NOT LAWS.
> >
> > We need to be treated as friends not SUBJECTS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Len Kreyer / N9QIP
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:53:19 -0500
> From: The Wisconsin Association of Repeaters <war at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [WAR ] PL Tone Changes
> To: war at mailman.qth.net
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> Scott,
> What are you talking about? Your comment could fit in any forum.
> Please be specific.  I doubt your comment relates to the subject I raised.
> This thread is about keeping a couple particular repeaters listed when the
> only change in the coordination is a simple change of PL/CTCSS tone...the
> repeater is still on air.  My beef is that this makes more work for the
> Assistant Coordinator that is volunteering his time.  Better to be simple
> easy process than to de-coordinate and re-coordinate for just a PL change.
> WAR needs to streamline not have a mountain of hurdles to jump for the
> simple stuff.
>
> Len / N9QIP
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