From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Jul  7 22:49:24 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Jul  7 22:52:38 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Vinyl making a comeback?
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Hi Bob,

I was both surprised yesterday and delighted to talk with you in the mobile 
on the way through Iowa. Always enjoy our QSO's, they just never seem long 
enough, either on the air or by landline. I wonder how long you and I could 
chatter away before one of us ran out of something to say?

I met a Ham in Belgium on 20M Saturday who had an almost identical 
introduction to short-wave radio and audio as I did. He is a great fan of, 
and collector of, vinyl singles and albums. His favorite? The RCA Nashville 
Studio B sound!

Before the local vender of vinyl went into retirement, the place known as 
"Rarebird Records", I remember the owner, Bill, telling me that the Japanese 
would come into his store and purchase the entire Country Music section! He 
even got e-mails from Japan asking if he had several hundred albums he 
wanted to sell, as if he did, the businessman who would be in the state of 
MI would stop at Bill's store and buy them.

There seems to be a tremendous worldwide interest in America's Country 
Music. The Ham in Germany, Dit, pronounced as Deet, named off dozens of 
Nashville instrumental and vocal Artists. So you know that he and I are just 
going to have to exchange a little RCA Nashville vinyl remastered to CD!

Considering my health issues Bob, I keep wondering what to do with my fairly 
extensive collection of 45 rpm singles, 33 1/3 rpm albums, commercial 
cassette tapes, DBF recorded cassette tapes, (mostly a wide variety of songs 
and Artists), Master DAT tapes, 7 inch reel to reel tapes, commercial CDS 
and DBF remastered CDS? Besides my three stereo systems! The main system, 
the custom by DBF surround sound system for the 50 inch Pioneer TV - not HD, 
and the vintage totally rebuilt to perfection H.H. Scott system.

Remember that collection I made from the new reissued 45 rpm singles? All 
the original songs, no rerecorded songs or electronically enhanced songs 
etc., a total of 890 songs by 356 Artists? I still can not find anyone who 
wants the forty audio cassettes I made as emergency backups using the best 
metal tape I could buy.

Because I had recorded all the new 45 rpm singles by using my professional 
direct drive DJ turntable to the Sony DAT deck, then 'stupidly' sold all of 
those 800+ singles back to the Dealer I bought them from for a fourth of 
what I paid, I decided I better back the DAT Master tapes up. I did find one 
studio within fifty miles in any direction that would copy DAT to DAT for 
me. However, he wanted $40 per DAT and that did 'NOT' include the price of 
the DAT tape! Depending where one bought them, from $10 - $15 each. So I 
copied each DAT to C-60 low noise metal tapes. All forty still reside in the 
special padded protective holder that I bought to store them in.

Then in July of 2003, when I learned that I had advanced colon cancer, I 
decided that I better remaster those DAT Master tapes to CDS! That took me 
almost a month, working ten hours every day.

When I was finished, I had forty CDS with an average of 22 songs on each.

I later went back and put all of the 61 instrumental hits on their own three 
CD set. They are all on the forty CD collection, but sometimes I just want 
to listen to instrumentals and having them all on three CDS makes it easy to 
listen to just instrumentals!

I think you, and others on this list, are fans of the Southern Gospel 
Quartet sound. I just finished remastering five vinyl albums by "The 
Imperials" to CD. The original vinyl albums do not have any release or 
recording dates on them. They were all recorded in the RCA Nashville Studio 
A, not "B"! I could even pick out Chet Atkins on guitar and Floyd Cramer on 
piano. A total of 58 songs. However, some were repeates, so I did not record 
them to my Master DAT tapes.

Then I found a commercial CD of their fifteen "Best Gospel Songs". The first 
five were repeats, but songs six through fifteen were not! I ended up with a 
total of 62 individual songs and eleven repeats. A very nice three CD 
collection of "The Imperials" from about 1965 - 1970. Now Robert, that 
project was one heck of a lot of work! Whew!

Only one song was damaged and not useable, "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". I got 
lucky this time! A different album also had the song on it and it was in 
perfect condition! So I got every song without having to skip any due to 
damage. Since I was working with albums from 38+ years ago, that does not 
happen too often!

If anyone on this list has any suggestions as to how I might dispose of my 
music collection, other then any electronic auction, please let me know.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:05 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Vinyl making a comeback?


> Probably not a surprise to anyone here, but maybe others saw the recent 
> Associated Press story about vinyl records.  According the article some 
> store in Portland inadvertently specified LP instead of CD on some new REM 
> release, and was amazed to find that 20 copies sold the first day.  So now 
> they're test-marketing more vinyl at more stores.   The article also 
> mentioned Amazon having an LP section.   They quote RIAA as saying that 
> shipments of LPs jumped more than 36% from 2006 to 2007, with more than 
> 1.3 million copies sold.  In that same time period, overall CD sales 
> declined by 17% to 511 million copies.  Audio quality, liner notes, and 
> "the sensory experience of putting the needle on the record" are cited as 
> reasons for vinyl's new popularity.
>
> Maybe you can't phoole all the people?
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Thu Jul 10 13:32:35 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Thu Jul 10 13:40:18 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Garrard from the Garage
Message-ID: <487647B3.6040603@oneradio.net>

Note I didn't say 'garbage'...but I think this may have been where it 
was retrieved from.  If I remember correctly I spotted this Garrard 
"Laboratory Series A" turntable at the curb one day a few years ago and 
stashed it in a box in the garage.    It looks just like the pic at the 
top of this page:

http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2243&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

except the pic shows the proper wood Garrard base and mine is on an 
improper Garrard piece of crap base that doesn't fit, but does hold it 
off the table so I can run it, at least.  It's in pretty decent shape 
and works, at least in the manual mode which is all I'd want to use 
anyhow.  Looking for help with two problems:

1 - the spindle adapters are all missing.  If anyone happens to have any 
of them taking up space in a drawer somewhere, I'd be happy to hear from 
you.
2 - the audio is distorted. 

It's got a Shure M3D cartridge installed, which I know is really an old 
model,  so maybe that's the problem.  I can probably scrounge up another 
cart to try, but I've also been fiddling with the tracking force.  I 
used to use one of these TTs back in the 70s (still have it I think...if 
you're doubtful that I could lose track of something the size of a 
turntable then you're obviously unfamiliar with my "filing system").    
I just messed with it til it sounded right and left it at that.  The two 
variables seem to be the movable weight on the back of the tonearm and a 
spring that can be tightened under the tonearm that pulls down on it.   
Do these two adjustments have the same effect, i.e. setting the tracking 
force?  If anyone might have a scan of the manual, that would certainly 
be helpful.    Changing the tracking doesn't seem to make any 
improvement in the distortion so I suspect that points to the 
cartridge.  (Thus far no US coinage has been pressed into service).

Anyone using one of these old beasts?  It may not be audiophile quality 
but definitely a cut above the cheap Garrards that came later.

73, Bob W9RAN
From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Jul 10 19:44:54 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Jul 10 19:48:29 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Garrard from the Garage
References: <487647B3.6040603@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <00be01c8e2e6$fdd80f90$fdea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Hi Bob,

Some control the stylus pressure on the record and some control the sideways 
anti-skate balance. You have three gravitational forces in operation; 
up/down, left/right and forward/reverse.

You could be missing the anti-skate balance weight that some turntables 
used. No big deal there, just worry about the normal stylus pressure and 
tonearm counterbalance to prevent sideways pressure on the stylus.

As you already know, the most typical causes of distortion are too much 
tracking pressure, or not enough! Depending when this turntable was made 
Bob, it may need at least 3 grams. The stylus's we now use would buckle in 
half!

Another cause is a bit of crud stuck at the top of the actual stylus needle 
which impairs normal stylus movement. A blast of compressed air normally 
dislodges it. If not, a carbonated beverage belch almost always does the 
job! Messy, but effective!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Garrard from the Garage


> Note I didn't say 'garbage'...but I think this may have been where it was 
> retrieved from.  If I remember correctly I spotted this Garrard 
> "Laboratory Series A" turntable at the curb one day a few years ago and 
> stashed it in a box in the garage.    It looks just like the pic at the 
> top of this page:
>
> http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2243&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
>
> except the pic shows the proper wood Garrard base and mine is on an 
> improper Garrard piece of crap base that doesn't fit, but does hold it off 
> the table so I can run it, at least.  It's in pretty decent shape and 
> works, at least in the manual mode which is all I'd want to use anyhow. 
> Looking for help with two problems:
>
> 1 - the spindle adapters are all missing.  If anyone happens to have any 
> of them taking up space in a drawer somewhere, I'd be happy to hear from 
> you.
> 2 - the audio is distorted.
> It's got a Shure M3D cartridge installed, which I know is really an old 
> model,  so maybe that's the problem.  I can probably scrounge up another 
> cart to try, but I've also been fiddling with the tracking force.  I used 
> to use one of these TTs back in the 70s (still have it I think...if you're 
> doubtful that I could lose track of something the size of a turntable then 
> you're obviously unfamiliar with my "filing system").    I just messed 
> with it til it sounded right and left it at that.  The two variables seem 
> to be the movable weight on the back of the tonearm and a spring that can 
> be tightened under the tonearm that pulls down on it.   Do these two 
> adjustments have the same effect, i.e. setting the tracking force?  If 
> anyone might have a scan of the manual, that would certainly be helpful. 
> Changing the tracking doesn't seem to make any improvement in the 
> distortion so I suspect that points to the cartridge.  (Thus far no US 
> coinage has been pressed into service).
>
> Anyone using one of these old beasts?  It may not be audiophile quality 
> but definitely a cut above the cheap Garrards that came later.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Thu Jul 10 22:30:36 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Thu Jul 10 22:33:54 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Garrard from the Garage
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Thanks Duane -  I'll do some more checking of the cartridge and try 
cleaning it as you suggest.

While poking around I found the really interesting website of JE Labs.  
Some of you may be familiar - the photo of the listening room is quite 
memorable.   Here's one link that you don't see very often - a complete 
webpage dedicated to what I like to call "Historic Mono"  
http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm

For playing vintage jazz and similar mono LPs, he emphasizes the 
importance of using a true mono phono cartridge with a 1 mil diamond 
stylus designed for mono records.  For example, the venerable GE VR-II 
(I remember clearly how happy we were to yank them out of the turntables 
at the radio station I worked at in high school).   I was surprised to 
learn you can still buy a brand-new mono cartridge - the Ortofon SPU 
Mono or the Denon DL102 - but prices are somewhere in the stratospheric 
range.

73, Bob W9RAN
From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sat Jul 12 11:47:12 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sat Jul 12 11:50:38 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] M3D
Message-ID: <4878D200.1000603@oneradio.net>

Partially answering my own question - a look with the jewelers loupe 
made it clear why I heard distortion on the Shure M3D cartridge. Most of 
the stylus was missing!  Since these seem to be held in some esteem 
amongst audio types I ordered a replacement stylus and am anxious to 
hear how it sounds.  Meanwhile I swapped the shell from my other Garrard 
"A" and am enjoying the curbside-reclaimed turntable.

A question - is anyone using the old Rek-O-Kut turntables and tonearms 
like the viscous damped Gray models?  I had one of these as a kid and 
since it was single play and nowhere near as cool as the Voice of Music 
or whatever cheap-o models my friends had it went away long ago.  Even 
though the ones like I had are rim drive, they seem to be well 
thought-of.   As I recall the motor was probably big enough to run a 
decent-sized home appliance.

73, Bob W9RAN
From wa2jvk at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 12 13:47:41 2008
From: wa2jvk at embarqmail.com (Sandy Somers)
Date: Sat Jul 12 13:51:16 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] M3D
References: <4878D200.1000603@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <001501c8e447$672889a0$6601a8c0@xoxoxdell550t>

Hi Bob:

Pictures, - pictures, - pictures.

I will bet that most of the readers were not alive back when we had
mono records....  let alone know what type of turntable
you are talking about

Thank you:

Sandy          WA2JVK   first licensed in 1969
wa2jvk@embarqmail.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] M3D


> Partially answering my own question - a look with the jewelers loupe made 
> it clear why I heard distortion on the Shure M3D cartridge. Most of the 
> stylus was missing!  Since these seem to be held in some esteem amongst 
> audio types I ordered a replacement stylus and am anxious to hear how it 
> sounds.  Meanwhile I swapped the shell from my other Garrard "A" and am 
> enjoying the curbside-reclaimed turntable.
>
> A question - is anyone using the old Rek-O-Kut turntables and tonearms 
> like the viscous damped Gray models?  I had one of these as a kid and 
> since it was single play and nowhere near as cool as the Voice of Music or 
> whatever cheap-o models my friends had it went away long ago.  Even though 
> the ones like I had are rim drive, they seem to be well thought-of.   As I 
> recall the motor was probably big enough to run a decent-sized home 
> appliance.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 


From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sat Jul 12 15:00:57 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sat Jul 12 15:04:26 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] M3D
In-Reply-To: <001501c8e447$672889a0$6601a8c0@xoxoxdell550t>
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Sandy Somers wrote:
> I will bet that most of the readers were not alive back when we had
> mono records....  let alone know what type of turntable
> you are talking about
>
>
Hi Sandy,

You're probably right - I know I learn stuff about the early hi-fi era 
every time I go looking on the web.  So here are a few good websites 
with some neat photos and links that I've found:

Some really cool old turntables:   
http://members.myactv.net/~je2a3/analogpl.htm

"Retro Cool tonearms" like the viscous damped Gray I mentioned:  
http://members.myactv.net/~je183/retro.htm

A page on my favorite new word - "plinth" - and how to make them:  
http://members.myactv.net/~je2a3/turntables.htm

Here is a photo of the Garrard "Laboratory Series A" like I've been 
playing with and the M3D cartridge:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v652/ranickel/Garrard/

By the way, the sites above seem to be interested in the music and in 
restoring old gear and comparing one vs another - I didn't see many 
signs of audiophoolishness, which is why I'm OK with passing them along 
here.   I for one got convinced back in the 70s that any turntable that 
wasn't belt driven was "junk" and here these guys have some stunning 
examples of idler-driven turntables that seem to work and sound great.  
I have no complaints about this Garrard Series A which isn't in the same 
league as some of the high end Thorens and Rek-O-Kut "Rondine" models.   
A new one to me is the Lenco (aka Goldring-Lenco) which is also 
idler-driven that seems to be held in high esteem.

Bottom line to me is, just like any component, there's a whole world of 
fun to be had finding, restoring and playing with vintage turntables!

73 Bob W9RAN

From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sat Jul 12 21:53:47 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sat Jul 12 21:57:19 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] The Nashville Sound in Morse?
Message-ID: <4879602B.4050504@oneradio.net>

As Duane has mentioned in the past, these RCA Nashville LPs contain 
great music but the RCA record-keeping system seems to be somewhat 
odd.   For example, take the LP "Sweet Talk" by Boots Randolph, which I 
have two copies of, one the Mono version and the other "Stereo Effect 
reprocessed from Monophonic".  To my surprise, Boots sings as well as 
plays the sax, and the album contains a rockabilly song "I'm Getting 
Your Message Baby" that I hadn't heard before.   What struck me about it 
is the presence of what is meant to be Morse Code, played (I think) as a 
single note on an electric guitar.  My first thought was "Hey, Chet 
knows Morse being a ham and all" but since there are no credits on the 
album jacket I did a web search.    While I still couldn't find any info 
as to who was playing,  I did find this site which shows a photo of the 
45 and has a short audio clip of the tune:  
http://rcs.law.emory.edu/rcs/artists/r/rand8000.htm

The 45  confirms that the producer was Chet Atkins, so at least he was 
involved, even if we wasn't the guitarist.  The odd part?   Well for one 
thing, the LP shows the composers as being  "James Rich and Charles B. 
Dooley" while the 45 shows the names as "James Rich and Pete Dooley".  
OK that may be a nickname, but you'd think they'd make them the same.  
Moreover,  both LPs show the artist as Boots Randolph, yet on the 45, 
he's identified as "Randy Randolph".  That must have been a stage name 
for Herman Louis Randoph III but it's a one I've never heard before.

And oddest of all, if you listen to the sound clip (click on the little 
speaker icon) the Morse sounds to me like the letters "REO" followed by 
the letters "SM" or "SK".    Maybe Chet drove an Oldsmobile? Or did they 
pick this combination just for its rhythmic sound.     As for "SK" that 
could mean "Silent Key" in ham parlance...ala "Paul is Dead" way back in 
1958!

The vocals are really pretty good as are the tunes.  But I much prefer 
the name "Boots" over "Randy"!

73 Bob W9RAN
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Jul 16 18:03:33 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Jul 16 18:07:22 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] The Nashville Sound in Morse?
References: <4879602B.4050504@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c8e78f$cc33b720$bcea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Bob,

I think that should be "Homer Louis ..."


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] The Nashville Sound in Morse?


> As Duane has mentioned in the past, these RCA Nashville LPs contain great 
> music but the RCA record-keeping system seems to be somewhat odd.   For 
> example, take the LP "Sweet Talk" by Boots Randolph, which I have two 
> copies of, one the Mono version and the other "Stereo Effect reprocessed 
> from Monophonic".  To my surprise, Boots sings as well as plays the sax, 
> and the album contains a rockabilly song "I'm Getting Your Message Baby" 
> that I hadn't heard before.   What struck me about it is the presence of 
> what is meant to be Morse Code, played (I think) as a single note on an 
> electric guitar.  My first thought was "Hey, Chet knows Morse being a ham 
> and all" but since there are no credits on the album jacket I did a web 
> search.    While I still couldn't find any info as to who was playing,  I 
> did find this site which shows a photo of the 45 and has a short audio 
> clip of the tune:  http://rcs.law.emory.edu/rcs/artists/r/rand8000.htm
>
> The 45  confirms that the producer was Chet Atkins, so at least he was 
> involved, even if we wasn't the guitarist.  The odd part?   Well for one 
> thing, the LP shows the composers as being  "James Rich and Charles B. 
> Dooley" while the 45 shows the names as "James Rich and Pete Dooley".  OK 
> that may be a nickname, but you'd think they'd make them the same. 
> Moreover,  both LPs show the artist as Boots Randolph, yet on the 45, he's 
> identified as "Randy Randolph".  That must have been a stage name for 
> Herman Louis Randoph III but it's a one I've never heard before.
>
> And oddest of all, if you listen to the sound clip (click on the little 
> speaker icon) the Morse sounds to me like the letters "REO" followed by 
> the letters "SM" or "SK".    Maybe Chet drove an Oldsmobile? Or did they 
> pick this combination just for its rhythmic sound.     As for "SK" that 
> could mean "Silent Key" in ham parlance...ala "Paul is Dead" way back in 
> 1958!
>
> The vocals are really pretty good as are the tunes.  But I much prefer the 
> name "Boots" over "Randy"!
>
> 73 Bob W9RAN
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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Wed Jul 16 22:49:01 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Wed Jul 16 22:53:01 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] The Nashville Sound in Morse?
In-Reply-To: <003a01c8e78f$cc33b720$bcea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <4879602B.4050504@oneradio.net>
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Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I think that should be "Homer Louis ..."
>
Correct of course, thank you Duane.   I blame too much caffeine, or not 
enough!

So how about there rest of it?

73, Bob W9RAN

From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Jul 17 17:13:26 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Jul 17 17:17:22 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts
Message-ID: <002701c8e851$f68ba100$15ea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hello Bob,

I just checked my vinyl collection for Danny Davis and The Nashville Brass 
to see if I had a copy of "The Wabash Cannonball". I thought I remembered it 
on one of my three albums. Bingo! My first album, from 1969 titled "Movin' 
On". I think it is the first song on side one. It definitely kicks butt, as 
you put it.

Either my ears deceive me, or it is Floyd Cramer on keyboard! No mistaking 
Floyd or the incomparable Nashville sound!

I got asked last night about Ray Stevens song about the "Titantic". 
Something about a Black boxer Jack Johnson and being denied passage because 
he was black. In this particular case, discrimination worked in Mr. 
Johnson's favor! I have never heard this song, have any of you? When did it 
chart?

If I remaster my three Danny Davis albums from vinyl to CD, is anyone on 
this list interested in copies? Before you ask, I am "not" selling them. 
Just sharing what I bought and paid for.


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From w9ran at oneradio.net  Thu Jul 17 23:51:43 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Thu Jul 17 23:55:45 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <002701c8e851$f68ba100$15ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002701c8e851$f68ba100$15ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
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Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>
> Either my ears deceive me, or it is Floyd Cramer on keyboard! No 
> mistaking Floyd or the incomparable Nashville sound!
Sorry Duane, I misread this as a statement rather than a question.  But 
yes, Floyd Cramer was the "stock" piano player for the Nashville Brass.  
Of the two LPs I have, he's credited on one and not on the other, but I 
suspect he played on all of them.   As your expert ear would be best 
able to detect!
>
> I got asked last night about Ray Stevens song about the "Titantic". 
> Something about a Black boxer Jack Johnson and being denied passage 
> because he was black. In this particular case, discrimination worked 
> in Mr. Johnson's favor! I have never heard this song, have any of you? 
> When did it chart?
Well now you're going to have me digging through my Vinyl Archives, also 
known as the big shelf of records under the basement stairs before 
long!   First, it wasn't Ray Stevens, this was the handiwork of a folk 
singer named Jaime Brockett.  He rose to cult status in the 1969-early 
1970s era with his debut album, "Remember the Wind and the Rain", which 
featured the 13 minute long talking blues number "The Legend of the USS 
Titanic".    I've read that this was a take-off on an old Leadbelly 
tune, but I haven't heard the original if this is the case.  Back in 
that era, the main source of pop music in my Nebraska hometown was KOMA, 
Oklahoma City that blanketed the midwest with its 50,000 watt signal.   
We also listened to WLS, but it was not as strong, and played more 
commercials.   But in 1969, tuning around the AM band late at night 
would produce yet another rock station, one hailing out of Little Rock 
Arkansas and truly something "far out".  This was Beaker Street, an 
underground radio show hosted by one Clyde Clifford (who I learned 
later, as a ham who actually got in to the DJ business from being a 
transmitter engineer).   His trademark sound was a continuous background 
of weird spacey noises and sound effects - there would never be any dead 
air, only the spacey sounds with Clydes low-key commentary, and the 
music.  It was so cool - the first "underground music" program on a 
commercial AM radio station, and a 50,000 watt blowtorch at that.  I 
still have many albums and CDs today that I first heard and developed a 
taste for as a result of hearing them on Beaker Street, and Jaime 
Brockett was one of them.

And what is really wild is Clyde Clifford (who actually had a day job as 
a healthcare worker) still does the Beaker Street program on Sunday 
nights on an Little Rock FM station and streams it on the internet.  
I've listened, and it is exactly like it was back then.  As he puts it 
it, "KAAY was sold into religious servitude and I thought,  this is the 
last time I will ever do this" on the night of the final program.  
Fortunately, it hasn't quite turned out that way!   Thanks to zillions 
of people like me who grew up listening to this unique sound.   If I can 
get an electronic version of the Titanic song,  I will burn it to CD for 
you.  It's quite entertaining, especially in the context of 1969 culture.

73, Bob W9RAN
From dfischer at usol.com  Fri Jul 18 20:40:57 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Jul 18 20:45:12 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Remastering the Nashville Brass Vinyl
Message-ID: <002d01c8e938$26828ef0$fbea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

For those of you who wrote me to ask about the Danny Davis and Willie Nelson 
Nashville Brass vinyl album: Yes, it has vocals. I checked all the songs and 
Willie Nelson is singing on all of them. Personally, I do not care for this, 
as I have always associated Danny Davis with being a strictly instrumental 
Artist. I am 'not' opposed to Willie Nelson, I just do not think the two 
flavors mix well. Sort of like Herb Alpert and his TJB having Nancy Sinatra 
singing "These Boots Are Made For Walking" to twin horns with a Mexican beat 
overtone!

Having said this, the album is still very good. It is darn hard to produce a 
truly 'bad' album out of the RCA Nashville Studio B with their absolutely 
awesome audio engineers who know absolutely how much reverb to add at 
exactly the right time and in precisely the correct place. Then factor in a 
'house' band that consists of some of the best Artists on the planet playing 
their legendary instruments of choice. Floyd Cramer on piano, Chet Atkins on 
guitar, Boots Randolph blowing a sax, Charlie McCoy making that harmonica 
talk etc. Now throw in a vocalist with less talent then I have, not hard to 
do, as the two things this human can not do are stay in key and draw 
artistically without using text captions to identify what the object I drew 
is! Even a poor vocalist would still sound decent because of the incredible 
engineers and spectacular musicians and vocalist background groups! However, 
even this legendary studio might have great difficulty making the Barfing 
Dogs version of "Jingle Bells" tolerable for more then one time during the 
month of December!

I am working on remastering all three vinyl albums this weekend. If all goes 
well, and I always expect it will not, I will have the remastered songs on 
DAT by Sunday evening. Then on Monday I will burn the three Master CDS.

No, I am not a pesimistic person. I am a realist. My philosophy is; "Hope 
for the best and expect the worst. That way you will never be disappointed!"

I purchased all of them "new" and still sealed. I have played all of them 
completely through and listened for any out of the record jacket sleeve 
flaws. A few, but I think my electronic Magic can make them vanish. When you 
have dabbled with audio recording and sound reproduction for forty-four 
years as I have, you have to learn some tricks of the trade, even if you try 
to avoid them!

It always angers me that a brand new vinyl album being played for the first 
time suddenly lets loose with a loud POP that frequently results in a Fruit 
Of The Loom moment to change underwear in! Then there are those brand new 
sealed albums that have more surface scratches on them then a friend of 
mines car after he tried to buff that wax haze off using #6 sandpaper 
instead of #600! What do these record pressing facilities have for audio 
quality control people? Tone deaf dead swamp stumps?

I will let you know how the remastering efforts go. Keep your fingers 
crossed and your stylus lint free.




Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 19 15:43:56 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 19 15:48:03 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts
References: <002701c8e851$f68ba100$15ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<4880134F.3080105@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <005901c8e9d7$cb4cfd40$56ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Hi Bob,

I think that you and I are going to have to get out that old Louisville 
Slugger from decades past and give the somewhat bloated painted plaster 
piggy bank a swat! Let the chips fly where they may! Use some of those coins 
on a landline now and then, rather then wait for you to be somewhere in the 
mobile, the solar flux just right, the winds of Fate blowing in our favor 
and so forth to communicate! We have much to discuss Robert! Besides, some 
of it is really none of the business of those nameless ears that may be 
listening!

One Floyd Cramer album that I have has written on the outside jacket that 
Floyd got paid something like $150 per hour if his name was mentioned as the 
piano player on the album and $75 per hour if not. Of course this applies to 
him doing session work, 'not' his own albums!

I am pulling those numbers out of my memory Bob, and that was read to me 
many decades ago. Hence, I may not have them right. You know those figures 
must be from the late sixties or seventies, as by the eighties I am sure 
they were double that, if not triple!

I wonder how many songs out of the RCA Nashville Studio B did have bits of 
Morse sneaked into the background? There is the one I mentioned previously 
by Ray Stevens, "Save Me From Myself". Did I send you the two CD set of the 
"Best Of" series I put together of Ray Stevens songs? I sent you so darn 
many Robert, that I would have to check the original file to know!

I want you to know this Bob: I have "NEVER" given, or even made and was paid 
for, as many albums as I sent to you! It was a huge amount of work, but I 
wanted you to have some material not available on commercial CDS from some 
of the great vinyl that I had. I knew that you would play them, enjoy them 
and protect them.

Do not bother about the song about the Titantic. I am not interested in it 
Bob. If it had been some unusual or little known song by Ray Stevens, then I 
would be interested. Thank you just the same.

I was recording different versions of "Amazing Grace" for a Ham friend in 
Florida. I was positive that I had one done by Folk Artist Joan Baez. 
Unfortunately my old albums by her were on a label that wore out with less 
then twenty plays. I think it was Columbia. Never had an album wear out like 
those did! I could not find the song among anything that I had left.

Finally, the old blind dude discovered that one of those commercial CD cases 
was a two CD set! Could the world's only totally blind professional 
Magician/Illusionist get it open? No way! I was considering precisely where 
to smack the sucker with my late Father's Carpenters hammer when reason took 
over. Somebody came to the door to deliver some spaghetti that I had 
ordered, so I had them open it for me! The song was on the second CD 
alright, but Joan was singing it along with the audience! Not at all what I 
wanted! I still have not found the version where she does it as a solo and 
plays the guitar.

Oh Oh! Sounds like bad weather may be moving in, so I better get off line. 
Later.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts


> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>>
>> Either my ears deceive me, or it is Floyd Cramer on keyboard! No 
>> mistaking Floyd or the incomparable Nashville sound!
> Sorry Duane, I misread this as a statement rather than a question.  But 
> yes, Floyd Cramer was the "stock" piano player for the Nashville Brass. 
> Of the two LPs I have, he's credited on one and not on the other, but I 
> suspect he played on all of them.   As your expert ear would be best able 
> to detect!
>>
>> I got asked last night about Ray Stevens song about the "Titantic". 
>> Something about a Black boxer Jack Johnson and being denied passage 
>> because he was black. In this particular case, discrimination worked in 
>> Mr. Johnson's favor! I have never heard this song, have any of you? When 
>> did it chart?
> Well now you're going to have me digging through my Vinyl Archives, also 
> known as the big shelf of records under the basement stairs before long! 
> First, it wasn't Ray Stevens, this was the handiwork of a folk singer 
> named Jaime Brockett.  He rose to cult status in the 1969-early 1970s era 
> with his debut album, "Remember the Wind and the Rain", which featured the 
> 13 minute long talking blues number "The Legend of the USS Titanic". 
> I've read that this was a take-off on an old Leadbelly tune, but I haven't 
> heard the original if this is the case.  Back in that era, the main source 
> of pop music in my Nebraska hometown was KOMA, Oklahoma City that 
> blanketed the midwest with its 50,000 watt signal.   We also listened to 
> WLS, but it was not as strong, and played more commercials.   But in 1969, 
> tuning around the AM band late at night would produce yet another rock 
> station, one hailing out of Little Rock Arkansas and truly something "far 
> out".  This was Beaker Street, an underground radio show hosted by one 
> Clyde Clifford (who I learned later, as a ham who actually got in to the 
> DJ business from being a transmitter engineer).   His trademark sound was 
> a continuous background of weird spacey noises and sound effects - there 
> would never be any dead air, only the spacey sounds with Clydes low-key 
> commentary, and the music.  It was so cool - the first "underground music" 
> program on a commercial AM radio station, and a 50,000 watt blowtorch at 
> that.  I still have many albums and CDs today that I first heard and 
> developed a taste for as a result of hearing them on Beaker Street, and 
> Jaime Brockett was one of them.
>
> And what is really wild is Clyde Clifford (who actually had a day job as a 
> healthcare worker) still does the Beaker Street program on Sunday nights 
> on an Little Rock FM station and streams it on the internet.  I've 
> listened, and it is exactly like it was back then.  As he puts it it, 
> "KAAY was sold into religious servitude and I thought,  this is the last 
> time I will ever do this" on the night of the final program.  Fortunately, 
> it hasn't quite turned out that way!   Thanks to zillions of people like 
> me who grew up listening to this unique sound.   If I can get an 
> electronic version of the Titanic song,  I will burn it to CD for you. 
> It's quite entertaining, especially in the context of 1969 culture.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
> -- 
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> Date: 7/12/2008 4:31 PM
>
> 

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 19 19:12:51 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 19 19:24:05 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts
References: <002701c8e851$f68ba100$15ea1240@hpdc5100mt><4880134F.3080105@oneradio.net>
	<005901c8e9d7$cb4cfd40$56ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <003601c8e9f5$f89f2de0$46ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Sorry guys! I did not intend for this to post to the list. I guess I better 
clean my shades and pay better attention, heh?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: <w9ran@oneradio.net>; "Vintage home and professional audio equipment 
from 1975 back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts


> Hi Bob,
>
> I think that you and I are going to have to get out that old Louisville 
> Slugger from decades past and give the somewhat bloated painted plaster 
> piggy bank a swat! Let the chips fly where they may! Use some of those 
> coins on a landline now and then, rather then wait for you to be somewhere 
> in the mobile, the solar flux just right, the winds of Fate blowing in our 
> favor and so forth to communicate! We have much to discuss Robert! 
> Besides, some of it is really none of the business of those nameless ears 
> that may be listening!
>
> One Floyd Cramer album that I have has written on the outside jacket that 
> Floyd got paid something like $150 per hour if his name was mentioned as 
> the piano player on the album and $75 per hour if not. Of course this 
> applies to him doing session work, 'not' his own albums!
>
> I am pulling those numbers out of my memory Bob, and that was read to me 
> many decades ago. Hence, I may not have them right. You know those figures 
> must be from the late sixties or seventies, as by the eighties I am sure 
> they were double that, if not triple!
>
> I wonder how many songs out of the RCA Nashville Studio B did have bits of 
> Morse sneaked into the background? There is the one I mentioned previously 
> by Ray Stevens, "Save Me From Myself". Did I send you the two CD set of 
> the "Best Of" series I put together of Ray Stevens songs? I sent you so 
> darn many Robert, that I would have to check the original file to know!
>
> I want you to know this Bob: I have "NEVER" given, or even made and was 
> paid for, as many albums as I sent to you! It was a huge amount of work, 
> but I wanted you to have some material not available on commercial CDS 
> from some of the great vinyl that I had. I knew that you would play them, 
> enjoy them and protect them.
>
> Do not bother about the song about the Titantic. I am not interested in it 
> Bob. If it had been some unusual or little known song by Ray Stevens, then 
> I would be interested. Thank you just the same.
>
> I was recording different versions of "Amazing Grace" for a Ham friend in 
> Florida. I was positive that I had one done by Folk Artist Joan Baez. 
> Unfortunately my old albums by her were on a label that wore out with less 
> then twenty plays. I think it was Columbia. Never had an album wear out 
> like those did! I could not find the song among anything that I had left.
>
> Finally, the old blind dude discovered that one of those commercial CD 
> cases was a two CD set! Could the world's only totally blind professional 
> Magician/Illusionist get it open? No way! I was considering precisely 
> where to smack the sucker with my late Father's Carpenters hammer when 
> reason took over. Somebody came to the door to deliver some spaghetti that 
> I had ordered, so I had them open it for me! The song was on the second CD 
> alright, but Joan was singing it along with the audience! Not at all what 
> I wanted! I still have not found the version where she does it as a solo 
> and plays the guitar.
>
> Oh Oh! Sounds like bad weather may be moving in, so I better get off line. 
> Later.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Bob's Danny Davis Thoughts
>
>
>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>>>
>>> Either my ears deceive me, or it is Floyd Cramer on keyboard! No 
>>> mistaking Floyd or the incomparable Nashville sound!
>> Sorry Duane, I misread this as a statement rather than a question.  But 
>> yes, Floyd Cramer was the "stock" piano player for the Nashville Brass. 
>> Of the two LPs I have, he's credited on one and not on the other, but I 
>> suspect he played on all of them.   As your expert ear would be best able 
>> to detect!
>>>
>>> I got asked last night about Ray Stevens song about the "Titantic". 
>>> Something about a Black boxer Jack Johnson and being denied passage 
>>> because he was black. In this particular case, discrimination worked in 
>>> Mr. Johnson's favor! I have never heard this song, have any of you? When 
>>> did it chart?
>> Well now you're going to have me digging through my Vinyl Archives, also 
>> known as the big shelf of records under the basement stairs before long! 
>> First, it wasn't Ray Stevens, this was the handiwork of a folk singer 
>> named Jaime Brockett.  He rose to cult status in the 1969-early 1970s era 
>> with his debut album, "Remember the Wind and the Rain", which featured 
>> the 13 minute long talking blues number "The Legend of the USS Titanic". 
>> I've read that this was a take-off on an old Leadbelly tune, but I 
>> haven't heard the original if this is the case.  Back in that era, the 
>> main source of pop music in my Nebraska hometown was KOMA, Oklahoma City 
>> that blanketed the midwest with its 50,000 watt signal.   We also 
>> listened to WLS, but it was not as strong, and played more commercials. 
>> But in 1969, tuning around the AM band late at night would produce yet 
>> another rock station, one hailing out of Little Rock Arkansas and truly 
>> something "far out".  This was Beaker Street, an underground radio show 
>> hosted by one Clyde Clifford (who I learned later, as a ham who actually 
>> got in to the DJ business from being a transmitter engineer).   His 
>> trademark sound was a continuous background of weird spacey noises and 
>> sound effects - there would never be any dead air, only the spacey sounds 
>> with Clydes low-key commentary, and the music.  It was so cool - the 
>> first "underground music" program on a commercial AM radio station, and a 
>> 50,000 watt blowtorch at that.  I still have many albums and CDs today 
>> that I first heard and developed a taste for as a result of hearing them 
>> on Beaker Street, and Jaime Brockett was one of them.
>>
>> And what is really wild is Clyde Clifford (who actually had a day job as 
>> a healthcare worker) still does the Beaker Street program on Sunday 
>> nights on an Little Rock FM station and streams it on the internet.  I've 
>> listened, and it is exactly like it was back then.  As he puts it it, 
>> "KAAY was sold into religious servitude and I thought,  this is the last 
>> time I will ever do this" on the night of the final program. 
>> Fortunately, it hasn't quite turned out that way!   Thanks to zillions of 
>> people like me who grew up listening to this unique sound.   If I can get 
>> an electronic version of the Titanic song,  I will burn it to CD for you. 
>> It's quite entertaining, especially in the context of 1969 culture.
>>
>> 73, Bob W9RAN
>> _______________________________________________
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>>
>>
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>> Release Date: 7/12/2008 4:31 PM
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 19 20:42:14 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 19 20:46:19 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Morse Code In Songs?
Message-ID: <001001c8ea01$76429100$edea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

Bob, W9RAN, raises a point of curiosity. I too am wondering how many songs 
out there have had some Morse Code characters smuggled into their lyrics or 
instrumentation?

The one I know of myself, is the Ray Stevens song "Save Me From Myself". It 
has "SOS" done by an electronic Organ. Ray also says "SOS. Save me from 
myself." in the lyrics after a while.

It is a catchy, but thought provoking, up tempo song and I wonder how many 
times I listened to it before I noticed the CW in there!

How about you? Any of you know of a song that has any Morse Code characters 
hidden in it? If so, lay it on us brother!

If nothing else, we can all go play our vinyl collection now and listen for 
Morse messages! Hey. That's better then listening for Alien code with a 
souped up low frequency TR metal detector! Then there is this Amana frost 
free refrigerator I bought ten years ago ... I swear it is haunted! Now and 
then, I almost think I hear voices when it is running. Yes, I am drug free 
and sober! I complained to the tech when they delivered it and plugged it 
in, that is sure the heck made a lot of noise! He said they all did, less 
sound deadening insulation in the walls and doors etc. I would get used to 
it. Wrong refrigerant breath! The darn thing still annoys me!

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Jul 23 16:10:11 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Jul 23 16:14:34 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Attn. Sheldon D.
Message-ID: <00d501c8ed00$1e5b6c30$2bea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Sheldon,

I received the package. Thank you. However, I do not have your current 
e-mail address. So please contact me direct. Thanks!

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Jul 23 16:29:34 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Jul 23 16:33:58 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Heads Up About Nashville Brass Remastered CDS
Message-ID: <00d901c8ed02$d3d1f910$2bea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

A number of you wrote me to express an interest in getting copies of the 
Danny Davis And The Nashville Brass vinyl albums that I am remastering to 
CD.

Well, there is one vinyl album that has the Nashville Brass With Willie 
Nelson doing vocals. It is a nice album. However, I am 'not' going to 
remaster that album right now. There is just something out of sync when one 
is listening to the beautiful instrumental renderings of Danny Davis and 
friends and then a vocalist, "any" vocalist, is added to the mix. It is like 
having an incredibly beautiful fantasy mood suddenly blown all to 
disassociated atomic particles by your faithful loyal dog scenting the air 
with Hydrogen Sulfide!

Perhaps the analogy to old Rover is a bit overdone, but suffice it to say, 
the mix of Willie Nelson with the Nashville Brass just is the wrong 
chemistry. At least for me!

So I am going to remaster only the new vinyl albums of just the Nashville 
Brass. If any of you want the album with Willie Nelson doing vocals, let me 
know. I am going to remaster it, but I am not including it in the Nashville 
Brass remastered CDS unless you request me to do so.

While I am on the topic of "Remastered Vinyl To CD", if any of you would 
like a list of the vinyl albums that I have already remastered to CD using 
all stand alone equipment, no computers are used by DBF for music, please 
contact me. Almost all of the vinyl albums that I remaster are not available 
on commercial CDS. If they were, I would not do the work!

However, as I have mentioned before, much to my surprise, many commercial 
CDS do 'NOT' include all the songs off the vinyl album of the same name! For 
instance. The Floyd Cramer album; Collectors Series". The vinyl has 16 
songs, the commercial CD has 8! Al Hirt, his second RCA Nashville Studio B 
album entitled "Cotton Candy", is NOT the same album! The CD is an 
altogether different album! I know, I own it! So I remastered the original 
"Cotton Candy" to CD. I have all four of Al Hirt's Studio B albums now 
remastered.

Thanks to a dear friend of mine on this list, who's name I will not mention, 
I finally got a new copy of the third Al Hirt Nashville album "Sugar Lips". 
I have never been able to find that album anywhere. Since I played mine a 
lot, to put it conservatively, it showed some wear! I finally did remaster 
it, using every audio recording trick that I knew, and ended up with a 
decent CD version. However, when the still sealed copy arrived here about 
eighteen months ago, you know I wasted no time in remastering it!


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Jul 24 19:48:10 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Jul 24 19:52:39 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Danny Davis
Message-ID: <009001c8ede7$bcb90710$2eea1240@hpdc5100mt>



The first album, "Movin' On" has been successfully copied from the vinyl to 
the Sony ES series DAT deck and from there to the Sony CDRW deck. I got an 
error free copy! Talk about fantastic audio! Danny Davis tha his group 
certainly knew how to lay down some serious tracks!

"Movin' On" and laying down serious tracks ... Hmmm. Then ther is that song 
about "Ruby, Don't Take The Ford To Town", or something like that, then the 
Wabash Cannon Ball train out of town? Is there some cryptic message here?

I am off to attempt to remaster "The Nashville Brass Turns To Gold" next. 
Keep your flexible parts crossed.

Hey! Wolfman Bob! Do I dare send you a copy of this incredible instrumental 
work or don't you think that awesome system of yours can handle the trauma? 
After all the low key Jazz, semi Classical etc. (Chuckle)


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Jul 24 20:07:07 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Jul 24 20:11:38 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re First Nashville Brass Remastered
Message-ID: <001c01c8edea$63204ad0$81ea1240@hpdc5100mt>



The first album, "Movin' On" has been successfully copied from the vinyl to
the Sony ES series DAT deck and from there to the Sony CDRW deck. I got an
error free copy! Talk about fantastic audio! Danny Davis tha his group
certainly knew how to lay down some serious tracks!

"Movin' On" and laying down serious tracks ... Hmmm. Then ther is that song
about "Ruby, Don't Take The Ford To Town", or something like that, then the
Wabash Cannon Ball train out of town? Is there some cryptic message here?

I am off to attempt to remaster "The Nashville Brass Turns To Gold" next.
Keep your flexible parts crossed.

Hey! Wolfman Bob! Do I dare send you a copy of this incredible instrumental
work or don't you think that awesome system of yours can handle the trauma?
After all the low key Jazz, semi Classical etc. (Chuckle)


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net


From dfischer at usol.com  Fri Jul 25 15:49:51 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Jul 25 15:54:24 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Nashville Brass Completed
Message-ID: <005f01c8ee8f$9c127b10$96ea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hello All,

For those who are interested -

I have completed remastering the two "new" Danny Davis and The Nashville 
Brass vinyl albums to CD. The albums are; "Movin' On" and "Nashville Brass 
Turns To Gold". A total of 21 songs. I have individual CD Masters, but also 
a combo CD Master with both albums on it. I will put them on a single CD for 
interested parties.

I have an album song list for each album that matches the original vinyl 
album, as well as the CD play order.

If you are interested, please contact me direct. Thanks!

Alert! W9RAN:  Since you started this Bob, I am sending you the bill! (LOL!) 
But do I really need 'Monopoly' bills? Where do I send them Robert?

Thanks to all for the very interesting and educational posts on the various 
Nashville Artists, both instrumental and vocal, as well as other Artists 
from Oldies to the Eagles and Joe Walsh, WB6ACL.

Once again, if 'any' of you are interested in having 'not commercially 
available' CD albums, let me know. If I have already remastered them, or if 
I have them on vinyl, I would be glad to share them with you.




Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Fri Jul 25 18:26:38 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Jul 25 18:31:12 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re The Brass May Be Coming
Message-ID: <005f01c8eea5$8341ef10$ceea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hello All,

For those who are interested -

I have completed remastering the two "new" Danny Davis and The Nashville 
Brass vinyl albums to CD. The albums are; "Movin' On" and "Nashville Brass 
Turns To Gold". A total of 21 songs. I have individual CD Masters, but also

a combo CD Master with both albums on it. I will put them on a single CD for 
interested parties.



I have an album song list for each album that matches the original vinyl 
album, as well as the CD play order.



If you are interested, please contact me direct. Thanks!



Alert! W9RAN: Since you started this Bob, I am sending you the bill! (LOL!) 
But do I really need 'Monopoly' bills? Where do I send them Robert?



Thanks to all for the very interesting and educational posts on the various 
Nashville Artists, both instrumental and vocal, as well as other Artists 
from Oldies to the Eagles and Joe Walsh, WB6ACL.



As well as the variety of technical posts on the mono and stereo equipment 
that most of us cut our first grooves into a vinyl album with!



Once again, if 'any' of you are interested in having 'not commercially 
available' CD albums, let me know. If I have already remastered them, or if 
I have them on vinyl, I would be glad to share them with you.


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Fri Jul 25 18:35:09 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Jul 25 18:39:45 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Super Thin Dynaflex
Message-ID: <006301c8eea6$b4c01c50$ceea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

I noticed that the 1969 Danny Davis album was very very thin. I think that 
Dyna Flex, or whatever its proper name is, came out about 1969. However, 
this album is so thin that I can almost see light through it!

I have nevr encountered one that was thin thin and flexible before.

The 1972 Danny Davis album is also Dyna Flex, but is not quite as thin as 
the one from 1969.

Why is there all of the seeming variations in album thickness? Obviously 
less = cheaper production cost, but I think there is more to it then just 
pinching a penny so tight that Lincoln sheds tears!

Unrelated, but sort of:
At what point in time did the record changer and turntable companies change 
the tracking weight from 3 grams+ to about 1 gram? Remember fastening a 
penny, 4.11 grams, on the turntable tonearm to keep the needle from 
skipping?

Which raises another question. When did the needle become the stylus?

Somewhere between 1965 and 1969 this changed. Who done it?

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From w9ran at oneradio.net  Fri Jul 25 21:24:49 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Fri Jul 25 21:29:39 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Super Thin Dynaflex
In-Reply-To: <006301c8eea6$b4c01c50$ceea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <006301c8eea6$b4c01c50$ceea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <488A7CE1.6000206@oneradio.net>

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> At what point in time did the record changer and turntable companies 
> change the tracking weight from 3 grams+ to about 1 gram?
This is an interesting question Duane, because I've been working on a 
turntable that it is said paved the way for this transition.  I refer to 
the Weathers turntable, which was based on the Capacitance Or FM 
Cartridge developed by Paul Weathers at his comany, Weathers Industries 
of Barrington, NJ in the 1950s.  Let me quote (somewhat edited by me) 
from a website I found that discusses this topic rather well:

His theory was, the less work the stylus must do, the more accurate the 
pickup can be. In magnetic, dynamic and piezo-electric pickups the 
electric signal is generated by the motion of the stylus itself, which 
requires a certain minimal bulk. Even with the most careful engineering 
a vertical pressure of four to eight grams was necessary to make such 
pickups work properly, and the moving mass of the stylus must remain a 
measurable quantity. If you could design a pickup in which the signal 
voltage was already there, and the motion of the stylus would merely 
modify it, then you would approach the perfect pickup.

Literally hundreds of patent applications have been filed on such 
designs, and a few such pickups have actually been manufactured. The 
most successful of them is the Weathers, which is called a "capacitance" 
pickup or an "FM" pickup because the stylus causes frequency deviation 
of an oscillator that is demodulated to produce the audio signal.  The 
Weathers pickup consist of a fixed metal plate  and a parallel 
free-floating plate separated by a tiny air gap. The floating plate is 
attached to the stylus. As the stylus traces the wiggles in the groove 
of a spinning record, it causes the floating plate to flutter toward and 
away from the charged plate.  This capacitive change is demodulated to 
produce left and right channel audio. 

The author of the website cites several advantages of the 
Weathers..."Since it tracks at a pressure of only one gram, it wears 
both records and styli much more slowly than any other pickup available 
at the time.  The moving mass of the stylus has been reduced to the 
point where it is scarcely measurable, which means that the frequency 
response is practically unlimited - the Weathers has tested out to 
30,000 cycles."

I can't verify all this but I can say that the Weathers I have sounds 
good, thankfully after all the years the stylus is intact, which I'm 
sure is pure unobtainium today.  Ironically, a surplus dealer in Omaha 
has a few similar turntables (not all in working condition) if anyone 
would like to take a look: 
http://www.surplussales.com/Equipment/Audio.html  (the separate basswood 
tone arm and demodulator unit for sale for $350 are identical to mine).

The simplicity of the tonearm itself is striking - it's nothing but a 
piece of basswood with a basic gimbal mount attached.  The tonearm rest 
uses a magnet to hold it in place.   The stylus connects to the 
headshell via two pairs of slide-in spring contacts, an there's another 
set of similar contacts where the cartridge leads attach to the 
electronics.  The FM demodulators are each contained in an aluminum can 
(looks like an IF can) that is potted with some waxy goop, and plugs 
into six PC terminals.  That's a lot of series connections that have to 
all work in order to get output, but I think cleaning and fighting 
intermittents has produced a working unit.  The drive mechanism is also 
unique - nothing more than a tiny synchronous motor and a soft rubber 
drive wheel driving the inside surface of the very light aluminum 
turntable.  It's a unique design throughout - even the power is turned 
on and off by a lever that tilts a sealed mercury switch.

So that's my answer to the 1 gram trackin question - Paul Weathers did 
it first and the rest figured it out later.

73, Bob W9RAN

 
From wolfbob at csnsys.com  Fri Jul 25 22:06:37 2008
From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob)
Date: Fri Jul 25 22:11:23 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Super Thin Dynaflex
References: <006301c8eea6$b4c01c50$ceea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<488A7CE1.6000206@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <668C5F14903F4E3DB311B9EA15C37363@user3ba896898f>

In 1947, just in time to play the then new microgroove 33 1/3 RPM records 
Zenith came out with the "Cobra Arm" turntable with a 1 mil needle and 1 
gram of tracking. It used a special pickup that changed the frequency of a 
2.5 MHz oscillator by causing a capacitor in the head to change value as a 
function of the needle position. They called it a "variable reluctance" 
pickup possibly because of Weathers patents.

There were also a number of optical pickups that did not contact the 
recording surface at all. I never saw one work, however.

Another issue is that on stereo recordings the L-R signal is recorded as a 
vertical excursion. The tone arm/stylus must be capable of staying in the 
groove with loud low frequency signals from one channel. The sum channe L+R 
is lateral and for recordings requiring large signals they invented the so 
call variable-width groove or "Dynagroove" so that they didn't have to 
compress so much to keep the tone arm tracking.

My pet peave is in compression. Even with dynagroove they still mash the 
signal during mastering. It is much worse on cassette and unbearable on what 
they do to CDs (for no good reason other than they do).

WBob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Super Thin Dynaflex


> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>> At what point in time did the record changer and turntable companies 
>> change the tracking weight from 3 grams+ to about 1 gram?
> This is an interesting question Duane, because I've been working on a 
> turntable that it is said paved the way for this transition.  I refer to 
> the Weathers turntable, which was based on the Capacitance Or FM Cartridge 
> developed by Paul Weathers at his comany, Weathers Industries of 
> Barrington, NJ in the 1950s.  Let me quote (somewhat edited by me) from a 
> website I found that discusses this topic rather well:
>
> His theory was, the less work the stylus must do, the more accurate the 
> pickup can be. In magnetic, dynamic and piezo-electric pickups the 
> electric signal is generated by the motion of the stylus itself, which 
> requires a certain minimal bulk. Even with the most careful engineering a 
> vertical pressure of four to eight grams was necessary to make such 
> pickups work properly, and the moving mass of the stylus must remain a 
> measurable quantity. If you could design a pickup in which the signal 
> voltage was already there, and the motion of the stylus would merely 
> modify it, then you would approach the perfect pickup.
>
> Literally hundreds of patent applications have been filed on such designs, 
> and a few such pickups have actually been manufactured. The most 
> successful of them is the Weathers, which is called a "capacitance" pickup 
> or an "FM" pickup because the stylus causes frequency deviation of an 
> oscillator that is demodulated to produce the audio signal.  The Weathers 
> pickup consist of a fixed metal plate  and a parallel free-floating plate 
> separated by a tiny air gap. The floating plate is attached to the stylus. 
> As the stylus traces the wiggles in the groove of a spinning record, it 
> causes the floating plate to flutter toward and away from the charged 
> plate.  This capacitive change is demodulated to produce left and right 
> channel audio.
> The author of the website cites several advantages of the 
> Weathers..."Since it tracks at a pressure of only one gram, it wears both 
> records and styli much more slowly than any other pickup available at the 
> time.  The moving mass of the stylus has been reduced to the point where 
> it is scarcely measurable, which means that the frequency response is 
> practically unlimited - the Weathers has tested out to 30,000 cycles."
>
> I can't verify all this but I can say that the Weathers I have sounds 
> good, thankfully after all the years the stylus is intact, which I'm sure 
> is pure unobtainium today.  Ironically, a surplus dealer in Omaha has a 
> few similar turntables (not all in working condition) if anyone would like 
> to take a look: http://www.surplussales.com/Equipment/Audio.html  (the 
> separate basswood tone arm and demodulator unit for sale for $350 are 
> identical to mine).
>
> The simplicity of the tonearm itself is striking - it's nothing but a 
> piece of basswood with a basic gimbal mount attached.  The tonearm rest 
> uses a magnet to hold it in place.   The stylus connects to the headshell 
> via two pairs of slide-in spring contacts, an there's another set of 
> similar contacts where the cartridge leads attach to the electronics.  The 
> FM demodulators are each contained in an aluminum can (looks like an IF 
> can) that is potted with some waxy goop, and plugs into six PC terminals. 
> That's a lot of series connections that have to all work in order to get 
> output, but I think cleaning and fighting intermittents has produced a 
> working unit.  The drive mechanism is also unique - nothing more than a 
> tiny synchronous motor and a soft rubber drive wheel driving the inside 
> surface of the very light aluminum turntable.  It's a unique design 
> throughout - even the power is turned on and off by a lever that tilts a 
> sealed mercury switch.
>
> So that's my answer to the 1 gram trackin question - Paul Weathers did it 
> first and the rest figured it out later.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> 

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 14:23:03 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 14:27:41 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Post Duplicates, Sorry
Message-ID: <007d01c8ef4c$a6c991c0$fdea1240@hpdc5100mt>



For reasons unknown to me, post I sent out up to two days ago just appeared 
on this list today. Sorry for the duplications.

When the first post never appeared, I sent a second one. The second one 
would appear within a few minutes. I assumed that I had typed something 
wrong or used a "no no" word that some filter caught. Apparently not!

Whatever the reason, sorry for the extra bandwidth.

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 16:19:21 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 16:24:07 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
Message-ID: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, while 
remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold" I 
found a song title that puzzled me.

It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New Orleans". 
Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this date 
and said battle?

Thanks!

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 16:24:39 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 16:29:17 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Technical Help For Sony TA-1144 Needed
Message-ID: <003001c8ef5d$a3009320$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>



Hi All,

I bought this integrated stereo amplifier before the "Fair Trade" law was 
revoked! This amplifier came out in 1970 and was last sold in 1974. I 
purchased mine in early 1974 for $180, the Fair Trade price was $220.

It is the Sony model TA-1144 and is solid state. If memory serves, it has 35 
watts continuous RMS per channel. I think the "IHF" rating standard was also 
in use.

I can not find my original owners manual. Do any of you know where I might 
obtain a copy? Preferably an original in good condition or a well done 
reprint?

Thank you.


Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

From bsugarberg at core.com  Sat Jul 26 17:51:44 2008
From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg)
Date: Sat Jul 26 16:56:43 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <488B9C70.40607@core.com>

Hello Duane,

The Battle of New Orleans took place on January 8, 1815.

Regards,

Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC
===========================
Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, 
> while remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn 
> To Gold" I found a song title that puzzled me.
> 
> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New 
> Orleans". Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, 
> between this date and said battle?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 20:19:45 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 20:24:26 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<488B9C70.40607@core.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Hello Bruce,

Thank you for the information!

It is good to hear from you, as I have not 'seen' your name on any list for 
a long long time my friend. I hope that all is well with you and yours 
Bruce.

I wonder if by changing the original title, didn't Johnny Horton do this 
song about 1960?, they were able to circumvent copyright fees? The Danny 
Davis and The Nashville Brass album was done in 1972.

Other then either being 'clever' and having fun with January 8Th and the 
historic battle for New Orleans and altering the original song title for fun 
or trying to avoid copyright fees, what did they do this for? I am sure 
there is more to this story then meets our eyes Bruce.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BSugarberg" <bsugarberg@core.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Hello Duane,
>
> The Battle of New Orleans took place on January 8, 1815.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC
> ===========================
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, 
>> while remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To 
>> Gold" I found a song title that puzzled me.
>>
>> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New 
>> Orleans". Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, 
>> between this date and said battle?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
>> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
>> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
>> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
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>
> 

From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sat Jul 26 22:34:19 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sat Jul 26 22:39:11 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <4A070BA2D9D94047B98E638A9A592F45@monster>

Duane,

Are you aware that Johnny Horton did two different versions of the Battle of
New Orleans?

One, the conventional, was for release in this country.  The other was for
release in the UK.  It was the same song from the opposite perspective.

I have an MP3 (although not high quality) of the British version.

Gerry




-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
W8DBF
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:19 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle



Hi All,

As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, while

remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold" I 
found a song title that puzzled me.

It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New Orleans". 
Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this date 
and said battle?

Thanks!

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 22:57:13 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 23:01:55 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<4A070BA2D9D94047B98E638A9A592F45@monster>
Message-ID: <005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Gerry,

No. I was not aware that Johnny Horton had recorded two different versions 
of his hit song. I am both surprised and amused. The British certainly know 
how to hold a grudge, after 142 years Johnny Horton still had to record the 
song "their" way so that it could be played on radio stations in the UK.

He should have made his case to the VOA. Gotten them to play it the correct 
way and blasted it into the UK with a million or so watts! After all, the 
British lost, even if it does make their tea taste tinny and their crumpets 
stale!

So what did they do with "Snoopy Vs The Red Barron"? Exchange Snoopy for 
Queen Elizabeth, hairy legs, armpits and all? (LOL!)

Gerry, I do not own a MP3 player. I admit that I am a spoiled audio brat, as 
I never listen to music on my computer systems. If you have it on a standard 
CD I could play that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Duane,
>
> Are you aware that Johnny Horton did two different versions of the Battle 
> of
> New Orleans?
>
> One, the conventional, was for release in this country.  The other was for
> release in the UK.  It was the same song from the opposite perspective.
>
> I have an MP3 (although not high quality) of the British version.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
> W8DBF
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, 
> while
>
> remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold" 
> I
> found a song title that puzzled me.
>
> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New 
> Orleans".
> Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this date
> and said battle?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
>
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From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sat Jul 26 23:01:10 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sat Jul 26 23:06:03 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><4A070BA2D9D94047B98E638A9A592F45@monster>
	<005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <DB1585BF13C442F68ACFF68150F47505@monster>

I will see if I can get it converted for you.

Gerry



-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
W8DBF
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:57 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

Gerry,

No. I was not aware that Johnny Horton had recorded two different versions 
of his hit song. I am both surprised and amused. The British certainly know 
how to hold a grudge, after 142 years Johnny Horton still had to record the 
song "their" way so that it could be played on radio stations in the UK.

He should have made his case to the VOA. Gotten them to play it the correct 
way and blasted it into the UK with a million or so watts! After all, the 
British lost, even if it does make their tea taste tinny and their crumpets 
stale!

So what did they do with "Snoopy Vs The Red Barron"? Exchange Snoopy for 
Queen Elizabeth, hairy legs, armpits and all? (LOL!)

Gerry, I do not own a MP3 player. I admit that I am a spoiled audio brat, as

I never listen to music on my computer systems. If you have it on a standard

CD I could play that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Duane,
>
> Are you aware that Johnny Horton did two different versions of the Battle 
> of
> New Orleans?
>
> One, the conventional, was for release in this country.  The other was for
> release in the UK.  It was the same song from the opposite perspective.
>
> I have an MP3 (although not high quality) of the British version.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
> W8DBF
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, 
> while
>
> remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold" 
> I
> found a song title that puzzled me.
>
> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New 
> Orleans".
> Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this date
> and said battle?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
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> 4:27 PM
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> 

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From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sat Jul 26 23:16:57 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sat Jul 26 23:21:53 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><4A070BA2D9D94047B98E638A9A592F45@monster>
	<005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <7D9453BD0B2F41C3872B13A351BDC81D@monster>

Duane,

I have it in music CD format on a CD.  Windows media player did it, no
sweat.

I will send it to you to the address when the Nashville Brass arrives.

Cheers,

Gerry


-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
W8DBF
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:57 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

Gerry,

No. I was not aware that Johnny Horton had recorded two different versions 
of his hit song. I am both surprised and amused. The British certainly know 
how to hold a grudge, after 142 years Johnny Horton still had to record the 
song "their" way so that it could be played on radio stations in the UK.

He should have made his case to the VOA. Gotten them to play it the correct 
way and blasted it into the UK with a million or so watts! After all, the 
British lost, even if it does make their tea taste tinny and their crumpets 
stale!

So what did they do with "Snoopy Vs The Red Barron"? Exchange Snoopy for 
Queen Elizabeth, hairy legs, armpits and all? (LOL!)

Gerry, I do not own a MP3 player. I admit that I am a spoiled audio brat, as

I never listen to music on my computer systems. If you have it on a standard

CD I could play that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Duane,
>
> Are you aware that Johnny Horton did two different versions of the Battle 
> of
> New Orleans?
>
> One, the conventional, was for release in this country.  The other was for
> release in the UK.  It was the same song from the opposite perspective.
>
> I have an MP3 (although not high quality) of the British version.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
> W8DBF
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However, 
> while
>
> remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold" 
> I
> found a song title that puzzled me.
>
> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New 
> Orleans".
> Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this date
> and said battle?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 
> 4:27 PM
>
> 

_______________________________________________
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** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Jul 26 23:41:01 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Jul 26 23:45:45 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><4A070BA2D9D94047B98E638A9A592F45@monster><005501c8ef94$7b97e6d0$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<7D9453BD0B2F41C3872B13A351BDC81D@monster>
Message-ID: <00fc01c8ef9a$9a866480$1dea1240@hpdc5100mt>

If you need an address:

Duane Fischer, W8DBF
5028 Merit Drive
Flint, MI 48506-2127

While I am shipping this single CD, I could also include additional CD's as 
well. Anything, or anyone, that you desire?

I am going to send you my unedited list of all the vinyl albums that I have 
remastered to CD in a fresh e-mail.

If any of them interest you, let me know. I do have a play list of all song 
titles for each album available in print.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Duane,
>
> I have it in music CD format on a CD.  Windows media player did it, no
> sweat.
>
> I will send it to you to the address when the Nashville Brass arrives.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
> W8DBF
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:57 PM
> To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
> Gerry,
>
> No. I was not aware that Johnny Horton had recorded two different versions
> of his hit song. I am both surprised and amused. The British certainly 
> know
> how to hold a grudge, after 142 years Johnny Horton still had to record 
> the
> song "their" way so that it could be played on radio stations in the UK.
>
> He should have made his case to the VOA. Gotten them to play it the 
> correct
> way and blasted it into the UK with a million or so watts! After all, the
> British lost, even if it does make their tea taste tinny and their 
> crumpets
> stale!
>
> So what did they do with "Snoopy Vs The Red Barron"? Exchange Snoopy for
> Queen Elizabeth, hairy legs, armpits and all? (LOL!)
>
> Gerry, I do not own a MP3 player. I admit that I am a spoiled audio brat, 
> as
>
> I never listen to music on my computer systems. If you have it on a 
> standard
>
> CD I could play that.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
> To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'"
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>> Duane,
>>
>> Are you aware that Johnny Horton did two different versions of the Battle
>> of
>> New Orleans?
>>
>> One, the conventional, was for release in this country.  The other was 
>> for
>> release in the UK.  It was the same song from the opposite perspective.
>>
>> I have an MP3 (although not high quality) of the British version.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane 
>> Fischer,
>> W8DBF
>> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:19 PM
>> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As most of you know, I am quite good at vintage music titles. However,
>> while
>>
>> remastering the Nashville B. album entitle "Nashville Brass Turn To Gold"
>> I
>> found a song title that puzzled me.
>>
>> It is entitled "January 8Th", but I know it as "The Battle Of New
>> Orleans".
>> Now is there some relationship, historical or otherwise, between this 
>> date
>> and said battle?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
>> E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
>> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
>> HHRP web site: hhrp.w9wze.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008
>> 4:27 PM
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 
> 4:27 PM
>
> 

From sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV  Sun Jul 27 02:53:52 2008
From: sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Sun Jul 27 02:58:53 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<488B9C70.40607@core.com> <003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>

I would not image simply changing the song title would allow the 
commercial use of the
entire song, but I could be wrong. 

In regards to Horton's second version for the UK audience, I am 
wondering who pressed
the issue, that is, did Horton and Columbia Records do it, simply to 
sell the song in the
UK market, or did UK market forces cause them to re-record the song?

I suppose it isn't the first time releases have been redone for 
different markets, as The
Beatles did some of their early songs in German, and I have, somewhere, 
a copy of
Morris Alberts' "Feelings" in Spanish.

73
Sheldon

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> Hello Bruce,
>
> Thank you for the information!
>
> It is good to hear from you, as I have not 'seen' your name on any 
> list for a long long time my friend. I hope that all is well with you 
> and yours Bruce.
>
> I wonder if by changing the original title, didn't Johnny Horton do 
> this song about 1960?, they were able to circumvent copyright fees? 
> The Danny Davis and The Nashville Brass album was done in 1972.
>
> Other then either being 'clever' and having fun with January 8Th and 
> the historic battle for New Orleans and altering the original song 
> title for fun or trying to avoid copyright fees, what did they do this 
> for? I am sure there is more to this story then meets our eyes Bruce.
>
>
>
From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Jul 27 12:03:55 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Jul 27 12:08:48 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>
	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>
Message-ID: <006301c8f002$66573050$85ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Sheldon,

Now that I have your e-mail address, please send me your mailing address by 
"direct" e-mail. NOT on this list!
I posted a request some days ago, but for reasons unknown, posts to this 
list "appear" to be being delayed for hours and in some cases, a day to two. 
Odd.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheldon Daitch" <sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


>I would not image simply changing the song title would allow the commercial 
>use of the
> entire song, but I could be wrong.
> In regards to Horton's second version for the UK audience, I am wondering 
> who pressed
> the issue, that is, did Horton and Columbia Records do it, simply to sell 
> the song in the
> UK market, or did UK market forces cause them to re-record the song?
>
> I suppose it isn't the first time releases have been redone for different 
> markets, as The
> Beatles did some of their early songs in German, and I have, somewhere, a 
> copy of
> Morris Alberts' "Feelings" in Spanish.
>
> 73
> Sheldon
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>> Hello Bruce,
>>
>> Thank you for the information!
>>
>> It is good to hear from you, as I have not 'seen' your name on any list 
>> for a long long time my friend. I hope that all is well with you and 
>> yours Bruce.
>>
>> I wonder if by changing the original title, didn't Johnny Horton do this 
>> song about 1960?, they were able to circumvent copyright fees? The Danny 
>> Davis and The Nashville Brass album was done in 1972.
>>
>> Other then either being 'clever' and having fun with January 8Th and the 
>> historic battle for New Orleans and altering the original song title for 
>> fun or trying to avoid copyright fees, what did they do this for? I am 
>> sure there is more to this story then meets our eyes Bruce.
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release 
> Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM
> 

From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sun Jul 27 15:16:52 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sun Jul 27 15:21:51 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>
	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>
Message-ID: <35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>

We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf Harris,
a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version was
necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".

And so it goes.

Cheers,

Gerry

  


From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sun Jul 27 16:11:22 2008
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sun Jul 27 16:16:21 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>
	<35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>
Message-ID: <488CD66A.1080803@oneradio.net>

Gerry Steffens wrote:
> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf Harris,
> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version was
> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>
>
>   
Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics don't 
appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born in Perth 
in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an Australian 
song.

There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to "abos" 
which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian aborigines, but 
few listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an alternate 
set of lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 
BBC performance...a new group called "The Beatles".

Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and would-be 
painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what that led to:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html

73 Bob W9RAN



From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Jul 27 16:33:30 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Jul 27 16:38:17 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com><003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt><488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov>
	<35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>
Message-ID: <000401c8f028$0b120eb0$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Sorry my friend, but you are mistaken.

Rolf Harris did the song "Tie Me Kangaroo Down", but the song you are 
quoting lyrics from is by Charlie Drake and is titled "My Boomerang Won't 
Come Back".

I just played the USA release, the original 45 rpm single, and it definitely 
says "black in the face".

Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf 
> Harris,
> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version 
> was
> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>
> And so it goes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerry
>
>
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Jul 27 16:45:32 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Jul 27 16:50:20 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov><35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>
	<488CD66A.1080803@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <001101c8f029$ba4f6570$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Hi Robert,

Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" by Rolf 
Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back" by Charlie 
Drake. I love that song!

I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you know the 
singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Gerry Steffens wrote:
>> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf 
>> Harris,
>> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
>> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
>> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
>> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
>> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version 
>> was
>> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
>> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>>
>>
>>
> Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics don't 
> appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born in Perth 
> in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an Australian 
> song.
>
> There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to "abos" 
> which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian aborigines, but few 
> listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an alternate set of 
> lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 BBC 
> performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>
> Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and would-be 
> painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what that led 
> to:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>
> 73 Bob W9RAN
>
>
>
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From sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV  Sun Jul 27 17:01:35 2008
From: sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV (sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV)
Date: Sun Jul 27 17:06:37 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
Message-ID: <2c3e77d6.77d62c3e@KUW.IBB.GOV>

Yes,  I know who sang the Chewing GUm song.  And it was on one of the Dr. Demento anniversary compilation CDs, as well.

Sheldon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

> Hi Robert,
> 
> Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" 
> by Rolf 
> Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back" 
> by Charlie 
> Drake. I love that song!
> 
> I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you 
> know the 
> singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
> 
> 
> > Gerry Steffens wrote:
> >> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  
> Rolf 
> >> Harris,
> >> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down 
> Sport which
> >> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are 
> three>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version 
> (45) and the more
> >> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as 
> follows:  "I
> >> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black 
> in the
> >> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate 
> US version 
> >> was
> >> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over 
> the place,
> >> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics 
> don't 
> > appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born 
> in Perth 
> > in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an 
> Australian 
> > song.
> >
> > There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to 
> "abos" 
> > which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian 
> aborigines, but few 
> > listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an 
> alternate set of 
> > lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 
> BBC 
> > performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
> >
> > Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and 
> would-be 
> > painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what 
> that led 
> > to:
> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
> >
> > 73 Bob W9RAN
> >
> >
> >
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> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Jul 27 19:33:12 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Jul 27 19:46:47 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <2c3e77d6.77d62c3e@KUW.IBB.GOV>
Message-ID: <001a01c8f042$5edda170$64ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

Well, who was it OM?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <w9ran@oneradio.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Yes,  I know who sang the Chewing GUm song.  And it was on one of the Dr. 
> Demento anniversary compilation CDs, as well.
>
> Sheldon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down"
>> by Rolf
>> Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back"
>> by Charlie
>> Drake. I love that song!
>>
>> I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you
>> know the
>> singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
>> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>
>>
>> > Gerry Steffens wrote:
>> >> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.
>> Rolf
>> >> Harris,
>> >> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down
>> Sport which
>> >> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are
>> three>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version
>> (45) and the more
>> >> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as
>> follows:  "I
>> >> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black
>> in the
>> >> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate
>> US version
>> >> was
>> >> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over
>> the place,
>> >> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics
>> don't
>> > appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born
>> in Perth
>> > in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an
>> Australian
>> > song.
>> >
>> > There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to
>> "abos"
>> > which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian
>> aborigines, but few
>> > listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an
>> alternate set of
>> > lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963
>> BBC
>> > performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>> >
>> > Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and
>> would-be
>> > painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what
>> that led
>> > to:
>> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>> >
>> > 73 Bob W9RAN
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
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From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sun Jul 27 19:08:35 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sun Jul 27 21:06:54 2008
Subject: OOPS again   RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <000401c8f028$0b120eb0$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com><003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt><488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov><35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster>
	<000401c8f028$0b120eb0$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <4BB4FDCBB2394426A6AE190E75F0912F@monster>

I have a tape sourced from the radio from 1961 (I think 61) which has the
blue in the face.  I wonder where the difference came in?

Maybe it was just blue in North Dakota where I recorded it.  And, please
don't anyone reference the cold and blue as being related.

Sorry bout the confusion.

Duane, I will attempt to get the blue version on the CD I am making for you.
  
Gerry



-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
W8DBF
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:34 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

Sorry my friend, but you are mistaken.

Rolf Harris did the song "Tie Me Kangaroo Down", but the song you are 
quoting lyrics from is by Charlie Drake and is titled "My Boomerang Won't 
Come Back".

I just played the USA release, the original 45 rpm single, and it definitely

says "black in the face".

Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf 
> Harris,
> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version 
> was
> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>
> And so it goes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
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From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sun Jul 27 19:11:26 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sun Jul 27 21:07:23 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <001101c8f029$ba4f6570$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov><35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster><488CD66A.1080803@oneradio.net>
	<001101c8f029$ba4f6570$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <8A08D3D92FF1456ABA30DE9C51A996A9@monster>

Lonnie Donegan and his Skiffle Group who also had a version of The Rock
Island Line.

Gerry


-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
W8DBF
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:46 PM
To: w9ran@oneradio.net; Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

Hi Robert,

Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" by Rolf 
Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back" by Charlie 
Drake. I love that song!

I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you know the 
singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Gerry Steffens wrote:
>> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf 
>> Harris,
>> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
>> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
>> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
>> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
>> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version 
>> was
>> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
>> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>>
>>
>>
> Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics don't 
> appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born in Perth 
> in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an Australian 
> song.
>
> There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to "abos" 
> which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian aborigines, but few 
> listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an alternate set of

> lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 BBC 
> performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>
> Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and would-be 
> painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what that led 
> to:
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>
> 73 Bob W9RAN
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>
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> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release 
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>
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From gsteffens at pitel.net  Sun Jul 27 22:07:38 2008
From: gsteffens at pitel.net (Gerry Steffens)
Date: Sun Jul 27 22:12:39 2008
Subject: FW: OOPS! - RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
Message-ID: <A5E886D770E544C18FAFC223D289E5D6@monster>

And then, this response got caught in a Spam filter.  NOT MY DAY! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Steffens [mailto:gsteffens@pitel.net] 
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:03 PM
To: w9ran@oneradio.net; 'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
1975 back'
Subject: OOPS! RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

OK.  Ya got me dead to rights.  The song was by Charlie Drake called My
Boomerang Won't Come Back.

Sorry 'bout that.  This is what happens when one awakens from a slight
dozing period and believes they are awake.  At least I had the right
continents.

All of the statements hold, just wrong song and wrong performer.  I hope
that's my biggest screw-up today.

Once again, I think one thing and say another.  Do ya suppose there is a
place in politics for me?

Cheers, 

Gerry
 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Nickels
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:11 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle

Gerry Steffens wrote:
> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf
Harris,
> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the more
> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version
was
> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>
>
>   
Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics don't 
appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born in Perth 
in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an Australian 
song.

There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to "abos" 
which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian aborigines, but 
few listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an alternate 
set of lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 
BBC performance...a new group called "The Beatles".

Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and would-be 
painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what that led to:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html

73 Bob W9RAN



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From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Jul 27 23:44:03 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Jul 27 23:56:32 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
References: <002601c8ef5c$ea3c9e10$a2ea1240@hpdc5100mt><488B9C70.40607@core.com>	<003f01c8ef7e$7c3624a0$2aea1240@hpdc5100mt>	<488C1B80.2060901@kuw.ibb.gov><35BC9AC5882E4B2D896C92482169EFE9@monster><488CD66A.1080803@oneradio.net><001101c8f029$ba4f6570$37ea1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<8A08D3D92FF1456ABA30DE9C51A996A9@monster>
Message-ID: <002201c8f065$43deb0d0$98ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

You and Bob, W9RAN are correct!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Steffens" <gsteffens@pitel.net>
To: "'Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back'" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


> Lonnie Donegan and his Skiffle Group who also had a version of The Rock
> Island Line.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane Fischer,
> W8DBF
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: w9ran@oneradio.net; Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> 1975 back
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" by Rolf
> Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back" by 
> Charlie
> Drake. I love that song!
>
> I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you know the
> singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>> Gerry Steffens wrote:
>>> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.  Rolf
>>> Harris,
>>> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport which
>>> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are three
>>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version (45) and the 
>>> more
>>> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as follows:  "I
>>> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black in the
>>> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate US version
>>> was
>>> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over the place,
>>> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics don't
>> appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born in Perth
>> in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an Australian
>> song.
>>
>> There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to "abos"
>> which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian aborigines, but few
>> listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an alternate set 
>> of
>
>> lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963 BBC
>> performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>>
>> Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and would-be
>> painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what that led
>> to:
>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>>
>> 73 Bob W9RAN
>>
>>
>>
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From sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV  Mon Jul 28 01:55:28 2008
From: sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Mon Jul 28 02:00:40 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
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I didn't want to spoil it for the rest of the group.  Without looking it up,
I might have mispelled Donegan.

Sheldon

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> Well, who was it OM?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <w9ran@oneradio.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>
>
>> Yes,  I know who sang the Chewing GUm song.  And it was on one of the 
>> Dr. Demento anniversary compilation CDs, as well.
>>
>> Sheldon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
>> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down"
>>> by Rolf
>>> Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back"
>>> by Charlie
>>> Drake. I love that song!
>>>
>>> I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you
>>> know the
>>> singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Nickels" 
>>> <w9ran@oneradio.net>
>>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
>>> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>>
>>>
>>> > Gerry Steffens wrote:
>>> >> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.
>>> Rolf
>>> >> Harris,
>>> >> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down
>>> Sport which
>>> >> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are
>>> three>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version
>>> (45) and the more
>>> >> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as
>>> follows:  "I
>>> >> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black
>>> in the
>>> >> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate
>>> US version
>>> >> was
>>> >> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over
>>> the place,
>>> >> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics
>>> don't
>>> > appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born
>>> in Perth
>>> > in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an
>>> Australian
>>> > song.
>>> >
>>> > There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to
>>> "abos"
>>> > which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian
>>> aborigines, but few
>>> > listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an
>>> alternate set of
>>> > lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963
>>> BBC
>>> > performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>>> >
>>> > Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and
>>> would-be
>>> > painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what
>>> that led
>>> > to:
>>> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>>> >
>>> > 73 Bob W9RAN
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Jul 28 14:14:50 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Jul 28 14:19:40 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
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Well Sheldon, that gives us three correct answers. Well done group!

What struck me as even more interesting was that both Gerry and Bob said; 
Well sure, that would be Lonnie Donegan and his skiffle group.  I had to
look up "skiffle" one time when some DJ said that!   I also like his
"Rock Island Line" mostly because it sounds like he was on speed or
something when he recorded it! Bob

Gerry said roughly the same thing.

Both mentioned the song "Rock Island Line". Frankly, I have never heard that 
one by him. I have only heard it, both instrumental and vocal versions, by 
Nashville Artists.

Alright, I throw in the official DBF very very old bowling towel! What the 
rodent's rump hair is a "Skiffle" group?

Where do you guys find these terms anyhow? I'll bet a brain wave monitor 
tuned for your unique EEG wave form patterns while in the Alpha sleep zone 
would display some fascinating visual imagery! (there are four levels of 
sleep. Alpha to Delta, with Alpha being the highest sleep level just pas the 
border of the Twilight Zone. Most dreams "appear" to occur here, but that is 
only because the brain is 'awake' enough to allow memory of dreams to take 
place. Down yonder in Delta is where most nightmares happen. Almost nobody 
ever remembers a nightmare, just the terror, a few still shot images of 
something awful etc. Which is one reason why a young child awakened from a 
nightmare is almost impossible to console. Along with the fact that your 
metal belt buckle is poking him/her in the rump! For more information on 
Dreams, Sleep And Extra Sensory Perceptions, read my college thesis from 
1969. Hey! That is true, the University of MI has it on file as a research 
document.)

As I wandered down the pot hole ridden path through my memory lane I could 
not help but wonder whatever became of some of the so called "One Hit 
Wonders". Some of them I can about guess, went back to shooting large fat 
rodents that inhabit the NYC sewer system. Some call them politicians others 
just well fed rodents! Others probably just never got lucky again and had 
another song they recorded chart. Back in those day, for the youngsters 
among us, a term called "payola" had real meaning! Cash in the hand of a 
local DJ often times influenced what songs got on his weekly 'play list', as 
well as how many times "certain" songs got played! Such as the classic 
"Alley OOP" by the Hollywood Argyles. Funny the first tfew times you heard 
it, after that ...

That song stayed at, or near, the top of the Billboard chart for how many 
weeks guys? I know, TOO many! One local DJ in Flint wh worked for WTRX on 
1330, actually got a turntable up on the roof of the station and played that 
song, and ONLY that song hour after hour after hour! He vowed to stay up 
there and keep playing the song until people stopped requesting it, buying 
it and it got out of the top five on the national charts!

What a media frenzy he created! Great PR for WTRX too! That DJ was up there 
on the roof for several days! I think he slept in a sleeping bag when the 
station was off the air from midnight until whenever! Ah yes, the good old 
sixties!








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheldon Daitch" <sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle


>I didn't want to spoil it for the rest of the group.  Without looking it 
>up,
> I might have mispelled Donegan.
>
> Sheldon
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>> Well, who was it OM?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <sdaitch@KUW.IBB.GOV>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
>> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> Cc: <w9ran@oneradio.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>
>>
>>> Yes,  I know who sang the Chewing GUm song.  And it was on one of the 
>>> Dr. Demento anniversary compilation CDs, as well.
>>>
>>> Sheldon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:45 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>>
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> Well I got to play CD #19 song #8 to hear "Tie Me Kangaroo Down"
>>>> by Rolf
>>>> Harris and CD #15 song #9 to hear "My Boomarang Won't Come Back"
>>>> by Charlie
>>>> Drake. I love that song!
>>>>
>>>> I also love "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor"! Any of you
>>>> know the
>>>> singer "without" looking him up? Hint: Ireland.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Nickels" 
>>>> <w9ran@oneradio.net>
>>>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
>>>> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Gerry Steffens wrote:
>>>> >> We here in the US have a case of lyric cleansing in the 1960s.
>>>> Rolf
>>>> >> Harris,
>>>> >> a British performer, performed the song Tie Me Kangaroo Down
>>>> Sport which
>>>> >> many thought to be an Australian song.  It was not.  There are
>>>> three>> versions of it.  The original single or shorter version
>>>> (45) and the more
>>>> >> lengthy and I presume album version have lyrics that go as
>>>> follows:  "I
>>>> >> waved the thing all over the place, practiced 'till I was black
>>>> in the
>>>> >> face...".  It was deemed necessary by someone that a separate
>>>> US version
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> necessary which goes as follows:  "I waved the thing all over
>>>> the place,
>>>> >> practiced 'till I was blue in the face...".
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > Huh?  You sure you've got the  right song, Gerry?  Those lyrics
>>>> don't
>>>> > appear in the tune in question.   And Rolf Harris, who was born
>>>> in Perth
>>>> > in 1930, wrote it in 1957, so it seems to me that makes it an
>>>> Australian
>>>> > song.
>>>> >
>>>> > There was objection to the lyrics which contained a reference to
>>>> "abos"
>>>> > which was deemed an offensive term for the Australian
>>>> aborigines, but few
>>>> > listerners knew what it meant anyhow.   He later wrote an
>>>> alternate set of
>>>> > lyrics to highlight some very special backup singers for a 1963
>>>> BBC
>>>> > performance...a new group called "The Beatles".
>>>> >
>>>> > Rolf Harris is a fascinating fellow - championship swimmer, and
>>>> would-be
>>>> > painter - but you'll have to read this story to understand what
>>>> that led
>>>> > to:
>>>> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897637,00.html
>>>> >
>>>> > 73 Bob W9RAN
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>>>> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>>>> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> > Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>
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From sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV  Tue Jul 29 04:15:25 2008
From: sdaitch at KUW.IBB.GOV (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Tue Jul 29 04:20:38 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Song Title Puzzle
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Duane,

don't give me that much credit.  I would have lost of the Skiffle part.

I remember the song from it's days on radio and as I noted, it was
on either the 20th or 30th Dr. Demento Anniversary CD.

Discussing one-hit wonders, I have a book that is of that title,
"One-Hit Wonders," a collection of narratives, generally no more
than a half page or so, for all the one hit wonders from the early
1950s. 

It is in my HHE shipment, so it will be a few weeks before I ever
see it again.  I just did a Google search, and apparently there is more
than one book using that phrase as part of the title.

One fascinating part of handling 45 RPM disks from my old DJ
days is my recollection of the color of labels, from daily handling
of the disks.  But it gets confusing because many times we'd use
promo or DJ copies and those labels were not the same color as
the store version label.  In some cases, as we all know, the color
contrast on many labels were not really good, but the DJ labels
tended to have fewer darker colors and generally much more
contrast between the label background and the title/artist information.

73
Sheldon

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> Well Sheldon, that gives us three correct answers. Well done group!
>
From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Jul 31 17:18:23 2008
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Jul 31 17:23:12 2008
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Mike Salmons, Hiding?
Message-ID: <006001c8f352$f9001860$b4ea1240@hpdc5100mt>

    

Michael, where art thou?    
    

Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
E-Mail: dfischer@usol.com
Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
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