From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec  1 01:57:01 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Dec  1 00:56:58 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
References: <438D63D0.7000501@mnbrewers.com><000601c5f5d0$69a21600$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><003b01c5f602$1968e740$e1c2fea9@enduser><001001c5f606$b9c46620$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><005501c5f61e$2ea452e0$e1c2fea9@enduser>
	<000801c5f62a$19d4e850$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>
Message-ID: <025c01c5f644$70d8e9c0$e1c2fea9@enduser>

Hmmm. I see lots of twelve inch, but no six inch. These Advent are not 8
inch, more like 6 inch. If they are 8 inch then I must be measuring the
diamter incorrectly.


----- Original Message -----
From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please


> No question a big heavy 15 inch sub will rattle the rafters
> and break windows, but it is only for movies and
> earthquakes, not for music. If you have problems getting
> your rump to fall asleep then just fire up that heavyweight
> and you will soon be as numb as if you were on a Harley.
>
> No question the JBLs have a very clean and well engineered
> lowend, but a bass reflex  just aint the same as a well
> engineered  acoustic. Kloss knew how to get acoustics to
> work, after graduating MIT he was first at AR, then  KLH and
> n in '67 he formed Advent and later Cambridge Sound Works.
>
> I am a lover of acoustic loaded Kloss speakers although in
> my office my main left and right speakers are 12 in. JBLs.
> But the front and rear center speakers are 12 in. Advents,
> the two side speakers are 8 in. KLHs and the left and right
> rear are 12 in. acoustic Wharfedales. only the JBLs are bass
> reflex. The computer has a 5.1 system by Cambridge Sound
> Works (all acoustic) so my office has 14 speakers, only the
> JBLs are ported.
>
> Back under my desk is a 12 in. down facing sub woofer that
> has 150 W amp of its own. It hasn't been on for a couple
> years.
>
> WBob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> Please
>
>
> > Yo Bob,
> >
> > Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel flattered.
> > Now here is your
> > question of the day:
> >
> > How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood end
> > table with the
> > fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it
> > priced so high that
> > true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted
> > sound, not furniture?
> > Did the product review suggest it should have had a yellow
> > paint job and the
> > smell of citrus added to it? What about performance specs,
> > power demands,
> > frequency response etc.?
> >
> > FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century
> > L-100 speakers blush,
> > I either can not afford or is some mighty fine equipment!
> > Now I am in no way
> > stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers are
> > the best.
> > However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come
> > anywhere close to
> > the incredible frequency coverage of the James B. Lansing
> > full range 8 inch
> > speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No cabinet.
> > Just plans for a
> > bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from 3/4
> > inch White Birch
> > plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most
> > three-way systems I have
> > heard.
> >
> > Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more closely
> > than the vast
> > majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty fair
> > judge of clean,
> > accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that
> > considering the
> > total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate
> > reproduction of audio from
> > 35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an
> > excellent job. The ass
> > is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever
> > heard. It runs in my
> > mind that one of you on this list commented about the
> > woofer that James B.
> > Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.
> >
> > I think much depends on what a particular person likes to
> > hear. It colors
> > his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like
> > wall shaking head
> > pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that lacks
> > this. Those who
> > love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will
> > favor this over a
> > system with a nice mellow response over the commonly
> > 'heard' audio spectrum.
> > So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.
> >
> > DBF
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> > 1975 back"
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> > Please
> >
> >
> >> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29 thingy
> >> from
> >> walmart. It may work, but...
> >>
> >> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well
> >> that
> >> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much interesting
> >> in
> >> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are
> >> ported
> >> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded
> >> sealed
> >> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
> >>
> >> WBob
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> 1975
> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> Please
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hey Bob,
> >> >
> >> > Good to hear from you direction!
> >> >
> >> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model? Or?
> >> >
> >> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way.
> >> > DBF
> >> > already has two
> >> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
> >> >
> >> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a
> >> > woofer!
> >> > I can control
> >> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency. If
> >> > it
> >> > will handle from
> >> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why would
> >> > I
> >> > need anything else?
> >> >
> >> > Now I am running good speakers, not  some dinky
> >> > satellite
> >> > system thing that
> >> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real live
> >> > concert! Because
> >> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch,
> >> > 'woofer',
> >> > yea, they need
> >> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
> >> > Otherwise you get a Woof
> >> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
> >> >
> >> > Duane W8DBF
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> > 1975 back"
> >> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> > Please
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Duane..
> >> >>
> >> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good
> >> >> receiver
> >> >> for
> >> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
> >> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth
> >> >> refoaming.
> >> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic loaded
> >> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair that
> >> >> I
> >> >> use
> >> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they are
> >> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I don't
> >> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects, not
> >> >> music.
> >> >>
> >> >> WBob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "rick larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
> >> >> from
> >> >> 1975
> >> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> >> Please
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Duane,
> >> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
> >> >> > really
> >> >> > don't know much about these.  However, here are a
> >> >> > few
> >> >> > comments.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice.  Great tuner.
> >> >> > Some
> >> >> > like the STK power brick IC.  They are cheap to
> >> >> > replace
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > they go out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers.  I
> >> >> > reconed
> >> >> > them
> >> >> > for <$30.  Not familar with the 2002 model.
> >> >> > Refoaming
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > or you would need to hire it out.  Too bad you don't
> >> >> > live
> >> >> > in Minneapolis.  I'd refoam them for you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a system,
> >> >> > I'd
> >> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the
> >> >> > sub
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > throw away the cd player.  However, your Scott gear
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > rick
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>     Hi All,        As some of you know, my home was
> >> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
> >> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak on
> >> >> >> top
> >> >> >> of my
> >> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on September
> >> >> >> 28th.
> >> >> >> The contractor who did
> >> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out here
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> sure the guys doing the
> >> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
> >> >> >> standards.
> >> >> >> Tony and I got to
> >> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.
> >> >> >> Some
> >> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he
> >> >> >> sold
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> house to Tony
> >> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the garage
> >> >> >> attic.
> >> >> >> He had no use for it
> >> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers at
> >> >> >> all.
> >> >> >> I would very
> >> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value,
> >> >> >> quality
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
> >> >> >> value of item. Thanks.       PIONEER MULTI PLAY
> >> >> >> COMPACT
> >> >> >> DISK PLAYER.  MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
> >> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
> >> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES
> >> >> >> INTO
> >> >> >> AN
> >> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
> >> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT
> >> >> >> APPEAR
> >> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
> >> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
> >> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND CR/1020.
> >> >> >> WOOD
> >> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
> >> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF
> >> >> >> SURROUND
> >> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
> >> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
> >> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
> >> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
> >> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
> >> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
> >> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH
> >> >> >> WOOFER.
> >> >> >> FOAM
> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
> >> >> >> MODEL: 2002  AB014073
> >> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD, ORIGINAL
> >> >> >> BOXES.
> >> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
> >> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING?    I apologize for
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
> >> >> >> negative
> >> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes in
> >> >> >> solid
> >> >> >> upper case because it
> >> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find
> >> >> >> material
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> searching without
> >> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
> >> >> >> provide.
> >> >> >> Duane W8DBF   dfischer@usol.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec  1 01:58:38 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Dec  1 00:58:34 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
References: <438D63D0.7000501@mnbrewers.com><000601c5f5d0$69a21600$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><003b01c5f602$1968e740$e1c2fea9@enduser><001001c5f606$b9c46620$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><005501c5f61e$2ea452e0$e1c2fea9@enduser>
	<000801c5f62a$19d4e850$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>
Message-ID: <026401c5f644$ab9365e0$e1c2fea9@enduser>

Bob,

More later, the old blind dude has to get a couple hours of snore time.

I want an office like yours! How can you possible work in that anyhow? You
must really suffer!

DBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please


> No question a big heavy 15 inch sub will rattle the rafters
> and break windows, but it is only for movies and
> earthquakes, not for music. If you have problems getting
> your rump to fall asleep then just fire up that heavyweight
> and you will soon be as numb as if you were on a Harley.
>
> No question the JBLs have a very clean and well engineered
> lowend, but a bass reflex  just aint the same as a well
> engineered  acoustic. Kloss knew how to get acoustics to
> work, after graduating MIT he was first at AR, then  KLH and
> n in '67 he formed Advent and later Cambridge Sound Works.
>
> I am a lover of acoustic loaded Kloss speakers although in
> my office my main left and right speakers are 12 in. JBLs.
> But the front and rear center speakers are 12 in. Advents,
> the two side speakers are 8 in. KLHs and the left and right
> rear are 12 in. acoustic Wharfedales. only the JBLs are bass
> reflex. The computer has a 5.1 system by Cambridge Sound
> Works (all acoustic) so my office has 14 speakers, only the
> JBLs are ported.
>
> Back under my desk is a 12 in. down facing sub woofer that
> has 150 W amp of its own. It hasn't been on for a couple
> years.
>
> WBob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> Please
>
>
> > Yo Bob,
> >
> > Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel flattered.
> > Now here is your
> > question of the day:
> >
> > How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood end
> > table with the
> > fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it
> > priced so high that
> > true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted
> > sound, not furniture?
> > Did the product review suggest it should have had a yellow
> > paint job and the
> > smell of citrus added to it? What about performance specs,
> > power demands,
> > frequency response etc.?
> >
> > FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century
> > L-100 speakers blush,
> > I either can not afford or is some mighty fine equipment!
> > Now I am in no way
> > stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers are
> > the best.
> > However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come
> > anywhere close to
> > the incredible frequency coverage of the James B. Lansing
> > full range 8 inch
> > speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No cabinet.
> > Just plans for a
> > bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from 3/4
> > inch White Birch
> > plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most
> > three-way systems I have
> > heard.
> >
> > Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more closely
> > than the vast
> > majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty fair
> > judge of clean,
> > accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that
> > considering the
> > total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate
> > reproduction of audio from
> > 35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an
> > excellent job. The ass
> > is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever
> > heard. It runs in my
> > mind that one of you on this list commented about the
> > woofer that James B.
> > Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.
> >
> > I think much depends on what a particular person likes to
> > hear. It colors
> > his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like
> > wall shaking head
> > pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that lacks
> > this. Those who
> > love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will
> > favor this over a
> > system with a nice mellow response over the commonly
> > 'heard' audio spectrum.
> > So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.
> >
> > DBF
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> > 1975 back"
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> > Please
> >
> >
> >> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29 thingy
> >> from
> >> walmart. It may work, but...
> >>
> >> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well
> >> that
> >> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much interesting
> >> in
> >> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are
> >> ported
> >> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded
> >> sealed
> >> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
> >>
> >> WBob
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> 1975
> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> Please
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hey Bob,
> >> >
> >> > Good to hear from you direction!
> >> >
> >> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model? Or?
> >> >
> >> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way.
> >> > DBF
> >> > already has two
> >> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
> >> >
> >> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a
> >> > woofer!
> >> > I can control
> >> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency. If
> >> > it
> >> > will handle from
> >> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why would
> >> > I
> >> > need anything else?
> >> >
> >> > Now I am running good speakers, not  some dinky
> >> > satellite
> >> > system thing that
> >> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real live
> >> > concert! Because
> >> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch,
> >> > 'woofer',
> >> > yea, they need
> >> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
> >> > Otherwise you get a Woof
> >> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
> >> >
> >> > Duane W8DBF
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> > 1975 back"
> >> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> > Please
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Duane..
> >> >>
> >> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good
> >> >> receiver
> >> >> for
> >> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
> >> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth
> >> >> refoaming.
> >> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic loaded
> >> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair that
> >> >> I
> >> >> use
> >> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they are
> >> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I don't
> >> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects, not
> >> >> music.
> >> >>
> >> >> WBob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "rick larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
> >> >> from
> >> >> 1975
> >> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> >> Please
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Duane,
> >> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
> >> >> > really
> >> >> > don't know much about these.  However, here are a
> >> >> > few
> >> >> > comments.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice.  Great tuner.
> >> >> > Some
> >> >> > like the STK power brick IC.  They are cheap to
> >> >> > replace
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > they go out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers.  I
> >> >> > reconed
> >> >> > them
> >> >> > for <$30.  Not familar with the 2002 model.
> >> >> > Refoaming
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > or you would need to hire it out.  Too bad you don't
> >> >> > live
> >> >> > in Minneapolis.  I'd refoam them for you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a system,
> >> >> > I'd
> >> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the
> >> >> > sub
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > throw away the cd player.  However, your Scott gear
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > rick
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>     Hi All,        As some of you know, my home was
> >> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
> >> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak on
> >> >> >> top
> >> >> >> of my
> >> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on September
> >> >> >> 28th.
> >> >> >> The contractor who did
> >> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out here
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> sure the guys doing the
> >> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
> >> >> >> standards.
> >> >> >> Tony and I got to
> >> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.
> >> >> >> Some
> >> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he
> >> >> >> sold
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> house to Tony
> >> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the garage
> >> >> >> attic.
> >> >> >> He had no use for it
> >> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers at
> >> >> >> all.
> >> >> >> I would very
> >> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value,
> >> >> >> quality
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
> >> >> >> value of item. Thanks.       PIONEER MULTI PLAY
> >> >> >> COMPACT
> >> >> >> DISK PLAYER.  MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
> >> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
> >> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES
> >> >> >> INTO
> >> >> >> AN
> >> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
> >> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT
> >> >> >> APPEAR
> >> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
> >> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
> >> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND CR/1020.
> >> >> >> WOOD
> >> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
> >> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF
> >> >> >> SURROUND
> >> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
> >> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
> >> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
> >> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
> >> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
> >> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
> >> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH
> >> >> >> WOOFER.
> >> >> >> FOAM
> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
> >> >> >> MODEL: 2002  AB014073
> >> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD, ORIGINAL
> >> >> >> BOXES.
> >> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
> >> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING?    I apologize for
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
> >> >> >> negative
> >> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes in
> >> >> >> solid
> >> >> >> upper case because it
> >> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find
> >> >> >> material
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> searching without
> >> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
> >> >> >> provide.
> >> >> >> Duane W8DBF   dfischer@usol.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
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From wolfbob at csnsys.com  Thu Dec  1 01:05:32 2005
From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob)
Date: Thu Dec  1 01:06:56 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
References: <438D63D0.7000501@mnbrewers.com><000601c5f5d0$69a21600$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><003b01c5f602$1968e740$e1c2fea9@enduser><001001c5f606$b9c46620$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><005501c5f61e$2ea452e0$e1c2fea9@enduser><000801c5f62a$19d4e850$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>
	<025c01c5f644$70d8e9c0$e1c2fea9@enduser>
Message-ID: <002301c5f63d$40067490$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>

I am sorry...I looked at the 2002 that is up on ebay and got 
the idea that it had a 12 in. speaker. If it is the little 
guy, then it is good but not great. It is an Advent after 
all.

WBob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 
back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, 
Please


> Hmmm. I see lots of twelve inch, but no six inch. These 
> Advent are not 8
> inch, more like 6 inch. If they are 8 inch then I must be 
> measuring the
> diamter incorrectly.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 
> 1975 back"
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, 
> Please
>
>
>> No question a big heavy 15 inch sub will rattle the 
>> rafters
>> and break windows, but it is only for movies and
>> earthquakes, not for music. If you have problems getting
>> your rump to fall asleep then just fire up that 
>> heavyweight
>> and you will soon be as numb as if you were on a Harley.
>>
>> No question the JBLs have a very clean and well 
>> engineered
>> lowend, but a bass reflex  just aint the same as a well
>> engineered  acoustic. Kloss knew how to get acoustics to
>> work, after graduating MIT he was first at AR, then  KLH 
>> and
>> n in '67 he formed Advent and later Cambridge Sound 
>> Works.
>>
>> I am a lover of acoustic loaded Kloss speakers although 
>> in
>> my office my main left and right speakers are 12 in. 
>> JBLs.
>> But the front and rear center speakers are 12 in. 
>> Advents,
>> the two side speakers are 8 in. KLHs and the left and 
>> right
>> rear are 12 in. acoustic Wharfedales. only the JBLs are 
>> bass
>> reflex. The computer has a 5.1 system by Cambridge Sound
>> Works (all acoustic) so my office has 14 speakers, only 
>> the
>> JBLs are ported.
>>
>> Back under my desk is a 12 in. down facing sub woofer 
>> that
>> has 150 W amp of its own. It hasn't been on for a couple
>> years.
>>
>> WBob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 
>> 1975
>> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> Please
>>
>>
>> > Yo Bob,
>> >
>> > Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel 
>> > flattered.
>> > Now here is your
>> > question of the day:
>> >
>> > How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood 
>> > end
>> > table with the
>> > fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it
>> > priced so high that
>> > true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted
>> > sound, not furniture?
>> > Did the product review suggest it should have had a 
>> > yellow
>> > paint job and the
>> > smell of citrus added to it? What about performance 
>> > specs,
>> > power demands,
>> > frequency response etc.?
>> >
>> > FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century
>> > L-100 speakers blush,
>> > I either can not afford or is some mighty fine 
>> > equipment!
>> > Now I am in no way
>> > stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers 
>> > are
>> > the best.
>> > However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come
>> > anywhere close to
>> > the incredible frequency coverage of the James B. 
>> > Lansing
>> > full range 8 inch
>> > speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No 
>> > cabinet.
>> > Just plans for a
>> > bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from 
>> > 3/4
>> > inch White Birch
>> > plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most
>> > three-way systems I have
>> > heard.
>> >
>> > Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more 
>> > closely
>> > than the vast
>> > majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty 
>> > fair
>> > judge of clean,
>> > accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that
>> > considering the
>> > total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate
>> > reproduction of audio from
>> > 35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an
>> > excellent job. The ass
>> > is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever
>> > heard. It runs in my
>> > mind that one of you on this list commented about the
>> > woofer that James B.
>> > Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.
>> >
>> > I think much depends on what a particular person likes 
>> > to
>> > hear. It colors
>> > his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like
>> > wall shaking head
>> > pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that 
>> > lacks
>> > this. Those who
>> > love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will
>> > favor this over a
>> > system with a nice mellow response over the commonly
>> > 'heard' audio spectrum.
>> > So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.
>> >
>> > DBF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
>> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
>> > 1975 back"
>> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> > Please
>> >
>> >
>> >> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29 
>> >> thingy
>> >> from
>> >> walmart. It may work, but...
>> >>
>> >> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well
>> >> that
>> >> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much 
>> >> interesting
>> >> in
>> >> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are
>> >> ported
>> >> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded
>> >> sealed
>> >> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
>> >>
>> >> WBob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
>> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment 
>> >> from
>> >> 1975
>> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> >> Please
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hey Bob,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good to hear from you direction!
>> >> >
>> >> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model? 
>> >> > Or?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way.
>> >> > DBF
>> >> > already has two
>> >> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a
>> >> > woofer!
>> >> > I can control
>> >> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency. 
>> >> > If
>> >> > it
>> >> > will handle from
>> >> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why 
>> >> > would
>> >> > I
>> >> > need anything else?
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I am running good speakers, not  some dinky
>> >> > satellite
>> >> > system thing that
>> >> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real 
>> >> > live
>> >> > concert! Because
>> >> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch,
>> >> > 'woofer',
>> >> > yea, they need
>> >> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
>> >> > Otherwise you get a Woof
>> >> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
>> >> >
>> >> > Duane W8DBF
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
>> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment 
>> >> > from
>> >> > 1975 back"
>> >> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear 
>> >> > Specs,
>> >> > Please
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Duane..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good
>> >> >> receiver
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
>> >> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth
>> >> >> refoaming.
>> >> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic 
>> >> >> loaded
>> >> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair 
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> use
>> >> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they 
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I 
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects, 
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> music.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> WBob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "rick larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
>> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> 1975
>> >> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> >> >> Please
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Duane,
>> >> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
>> >> >> > really
>> >> >> > don't know much about these.  However, here are a
>> >> >> > few
>> >> >> > comments.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice.  Great 
>> >> >> > tuner.
>> >> >> > Some
>> >> >> > like the STK power brick IC.  They are cheap to
>> >> >> > replace
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > they go out.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers.  I
>> >> >> > reconed
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > for <$30.  Not familar with the 2002 model.
>> >> >> > Refoaming
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> > or you would need to hire it out.  Too bad you 
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > live
>> >> >> > in Minneapolis.  I'd refoam them for you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a 
>> >> >> > system,
>> >> >> > I'd
>> >> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the
>> >> >> > sub
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > throw away the cd player.  However, your Scott 
>> >> >> > gear
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > rick
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>     Hi All,        As some of you know, my home 
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
>> >> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak 
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> top
>> >> >> >> of my
>> >> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on 
>> >> >> >> September
>> >> >> >> 28th.
>> >> >> >> The contractor who did
>> >> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out 
>> >> >> >> here
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> sure the guys doing the
>> >> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
>> >> >> >> standards.
>> >> >> >> Tony and I got to
>> >> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.
>> >> >> >> Some
>> >> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he
>> >> >> >> sold
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> house to Tony
>> >> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the 
>> >> >> >> garage
>> >> >> >> attic.
>> >> >> >> He had no use for it
>> >> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers 
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> all.
>> >> >> >> I would very
>> >> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value,
>> >> >> >> quality
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
>> >> >> >> value of item. Thanks.       PIONEER MULTI PLAY
>> >> >> >> COMPACT
>> >> >> >> DISK PLAYER.  MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
>> >> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
>> >> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES
>> >> >> >> INTO
>> >> >> >> AN
>> >> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
>> >> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT
>> >> >> >> APPEAR
>> >> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
>> >> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
>> >> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND 
>> >> >> >> CR/1020.
>> >> >> >> WOOD
>> >> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
>> >> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF
>> >> >> >> SURROUND
>> >> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
>> >> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
>> >> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
>> >> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
>> >> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
>> >> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
>> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
>> >> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH
>> >> >> >> WOOFER.
>> >> >> >> FOAM
>> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
>> >> >> >> MODEL: 2002  AB014073
>> >> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD, 
>> >> >> >> ORIGINAL
>> >> >> >> BOXES.
>> >> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
>> >> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING?    I apologize 
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
>> >> >> >> negative
>> >> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes 
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> solid
>> >> >> >> upper case because it
>> >> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find
>> >> >> >> material
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> searching without
>> >> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
>> >> >> >> Again,
>> >> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
>> >> >> >> provide.
>> >> >> >> Duane W8DBF   dfischer@usol.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> > Home:
>> >> >> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> >> >> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> >> >> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Home:
>> >> >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>> >> >> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>> >> >> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Home:
>> >> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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>> >> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec  1 22:02:35 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Dec  1 21:03:46 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
References: <438D63D0.7000501@mnbrewers.com><000601c5f5d0$69a21600$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><003b01c5f602$1968e740$e1c2fea9@enduser><001001c5f606$b9c46620$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><005501c5f61e$2ea452e0$e1c2fea9@enduser><000801c5f62a$19d4e850$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn><025c01c5f644$70d8e9c0$e1c2fea9@enduser>
	<002301c5f63d$40067490$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>
Message-ID: <006201c5f6ed$0351c620$e1c2fea9@enduser>

Well Bob I did not use a Braille ruler, (yes they do make such things,
although I could not use one and be any more accurate than I already am!),
but it appeared to be six inches of cone. I wish it was a twelve.

If that little thing makes my James B. Lansing Century L-100 blush, then I
am Rudolph The Blind Reindeer with a blinking LASER beacon nose for
mobility! ----- Original Message -----
From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please


> I am sorry...I looked at the 2002 that is up on ebay and got
> the idea that it had a 12 in. speaker. If it is the little
> guy, then it is good but not great. It is an Advent after
> all.
>
> WBob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> Please
>
>
> > Hmmm. I see lots of twelve inch, but no six inch. These
> > Advent are not 8
> > inch, more like 6 inch. If they are 8 inch then I must be
> > measuring the
> > diamter incorrectly.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> > 1975 back"
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> > Please
> >
> >
> >> No question a big heavy 15 inch sub will rattle the
> >> rafters
> >> and break windows, but it is only for movies and
> >> earthquakes, not for music. If you have problems getting
> >> your rump to fall asleep then just fire up that
> >> heavyweight
> >> and you will soon be as numb as if you were on a Harley.
> >>
> >> No question the JBLs have a very clean and well
> >> engineered
> >> lowend, but a bass reflex  just aint the same as a well
> >> engineered  acoustic. Kloss knew how to get acoustics to
> >> work, after graduating MIT he was first at AR, then  KLH
> >> and
> >> n in '67 he formed Advent and later Cambridge Sound
> >> Works.
> >>
> >> I am a lover of acoustic loaded Kloss speakers although
> >> in
> >> my office my main left and right speakers are 12 in.
> >> JBLs.
> >> But the front and rear center speakers are 12 in.
> >> Advents,
> >> the two side speakers are 8 in. KLHs and the left and
> >> right
> >> rear are 12 in. acoustic Wharfedales. only the JBLs are
> >> bass
> >> reflex. The computer has a 5.1 system by Cambridge Sound
> >> Works (all acoustic) so my office has 14 speakers, only
> >> the
> >> JBLs are ported.
> >>
> >> Back under my desk is a 12 in. down facing sub woofer
> >> that
> >> has 150 W amp of its own. It hasn't been on for a couple
> >> years.
> >>
> >> WBob
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> 1975
> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> Please
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yo Bob,
> >> >
> >> > Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel
> >> > flattered.
> >> > Now here is your
> >> > question of the day:
> >> >
> >> > How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood
> >> > end
> >> > table with the
> >> > fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it
> >> > priced so high that
> >> > true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted
> >> > sound, not furniture?
> >> > Did the product review suggest it should have had a
> >> > yellow
> >> > paint job and the
> >> > smell of citrus added to it? What about performance
> >> > specs,
> >> > power demands,
> >> > frequency response etc.?
> >> >
> >> > FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century
> >> > L-100 speakers blush,
> >> > I either can not afford or is some mighty fine
> >> > equipment!
> >> > Now I am in no way
> >> > stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers
> >> > are
> >> > the best.
> >> > However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come
> >> > anywhere close to
> >> > the incredible frequency coverage of the James B.
> >> > Lansing
> >> > full range 8 inch
> >> > speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No
> >> > cabinet.
> >> > Just plans for a
> >> > bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from
> >> > 3/4
> >> > inch White Birch
> >> > plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most
> >> > three-way systems I have
> >> > heard.
> >> >
> >> > Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more
> >> > closely
> >> > than the vast
> >> > majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty
> >> > fair
> >> > judge of clean,
> >> > accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that
> >> > considering the
> >> > total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate
> >> > reproduction of audio from
> >> > 35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an
> >> > excellent job. The ass
> >> > is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever
> >> > heard. It runs in my
> >> > mind that one of you on this list commented about the
> >> > woofer that James B.
> >> > Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.
> >> >
> >> > I think much depends on what a particular person likes
> >> > to
> >> > hear. It colors
> >> > his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like
> >> > wall shaking head
> >> > pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that
> >> > lacks
> >> > this. Those who
> >> > love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will
> >> > favor this over a
> >> > system with a nice mellow response over the commonly
> >> > 'heard' audio spectrum.
> >> > So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.
> >> >
> >> > DBF
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> > 1975 back"
> >> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> > Please
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29
> >> >> thingy
> >> >> from
> >> >> walmart. It may work, but...
> >> >>
> >> >> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well
> >> >> that
> >> >> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much
> >> >> interesting
> >> >> in
> >> >> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are
> >> >> ported
> >> >> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded
> >> >> sealed
> >> >> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
> >> >>
> >> >> WBob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
> >> >> from
> >> >> 1975
> >> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> >> Please
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hey Bob,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Good to hear from you direction!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model?
> >> >> > Or?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way.
> >> >> > DBF
> >> >> > already has two
> >> >> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a
> >> >> > woofer!
> >> >> > I can control
> >> >> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency.
> >> >> > If
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > will handle from
> >> >> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > need anything else?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now I am running good speakers, not  some dinky
> >> >> > satellite
> >> >> > system thing that
> >> >> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real
> >> >> > live
> >> >> > concert! Because
> >> >> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch,
> >> >> > 'woofer',
> >> >> > yea, they need
> >> >> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
> >> >> > Otherwise you get a Woof
> >> >> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Duane W8DBF
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> >> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > 1975 back"
> >> >> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear
> >> >> > Specs,
> >> >> > Please
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Duane..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good
> >> >> >> receiver
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
> >> >> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth
> >> >> >> refoaming.
> >> >> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic
> >> >> >> loaded
> >> >> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> use
> >> >> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I
> >> >> >> don't
> >> >> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects,
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> music.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> WBob
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "rick larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
> >> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> 1975
> >> >> >> back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> >> >> >> Please
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Duane,
> >> >> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
> >> >> >> > really
> >> >> >> > don't know much about these.  However, here are a
> >> >> >> > few
> >> >> >> > comments.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice.  Great
> >> >> >> > tuner.
> >> >> >> > Some
> >> >> >> > like the STK power brick IC.  They are cheap to
> >> >> >> > replace
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > they go out.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers.  I
> >> >> >> > reconed
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> > for <$30.  Not familar with the 2002 model.
> >> >> >> > Refoaming
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you
> >> >> >> > can
> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> > or you would need to hire it out.  Too bad you
> >> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > live
> >> >> >> > in Minneapolis.  I'd refoam them for you.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a
> >> >> >> > system,
> >> >> >> > I'd
> >> >> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the
> >> >> >> > sub
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > throw away the cd player.  However, your Scott
> >> >> >> > gear
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > rick
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>     Hi All,        As some of you know, my home
> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
> >> >> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> top
> >> >> >> >> of my
> >> >> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on
> >> >> >> >> September
> >> >> >> >> 28th.
> >> >> >> >> The contractor who did
> >> >> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out
> >> >> >> >> here
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> sure the guys doing the
> >> >> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
> >> >> >> >> standards.
> >> >> >> >> Tony and I got to
> >> >> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.
> >> >> >> >> Some
> >> >> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he
> >> >> >> >> sold
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> house to Tony
> >> >> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the
> >> >> >> >> garage
> >> >> >> >> attic.
> >> >> >> >> He had no use for it
> >> >> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers
> >> >> >> >> at
> >> >> >> >> all.
> >> >> >> >> I would very
> >> >> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value,
> >> >> >> >> quality
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
> >> >> >> >> value of item. Thanks.       PIONEER MULTI PLAY
> >> >> >> >> COMPACT
> >> >> >> >> DISK PLAYER.  MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
> >> >> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
> >> >> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES
> >> >> >> >> INTO
> >> >> >> >> AN
> >> >> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
> >> >> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT
> >> >> >> >> APPEAR
> >> >> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
> >> >> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
> >> >> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND
> >> >> >> >> CR/1020.
> >> >> >> >> WOOD
> >> >> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
> >> >> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF
> >> >> >> >> SURROUND
> >> >> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
> >> >> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
> >> >> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
> >> >> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
> >> >> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
> >> >> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
> >> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
> >> >> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH
> >> >> >> >> WOOFER.
> >> >> >> >> FOAM
> >> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
> >> >> >> >> MODEL: 2002  AB014073
> >> >> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD,
> >> >> >> >> ORIGINAL
> >> >> >> >> BOXES.
> >> >> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
> >> >> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING?    I apologize
> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
> >> >> >> >> negative
> >> >> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> solid
> >> >> >> >> upper case because it
> >> >> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find
> >> >> >> >> material
> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> searching without
> >> >> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
> >> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
> >> >> >> >> provide.
> >> >> >> >> Duane W8DBF   dfischer@usol.com
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> > Home:
> >> >> >> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> >> >> >> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> >> >> >> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> Home:
> >> >> >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> >> >> >> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> >> >> >> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > Home:
> >> >> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> >> >> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> >> >> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Home:
> >> >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> >> >> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> >> >> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >> >>
> >> >
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> >> > Home:
> >> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> >> > List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> >> > ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >> Home:
> >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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> >> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> >>
> >
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> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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> >
> >
>
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Dec 11 18:31:10 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Dec 11 18:43:48 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Help With Pioneer PD/M510
Message-ID: <200512112340.jBBNeAEr004908@smtp.usol.com>


	
Hello All, 	
	
As you know, I am totally blind. I have this newly donated Pioneer PD/M510 six
CD player.	
	
Do any of you happen to have any information that might tell me what the buttons
are for?	
	
Please do not send me a web site to go look at, as I can not see it.	
	
What I need is this:	

	Row of five buttons horizontal. The thrid button appears to load the six CDS
from the tray into the machine.	
	
Row of six buttons firectly below the row of five. The first button ejects the
six CD tray.	
Vertical column of six buttons. CDS one through six from the top down?	
Two buttons verticall stacked on the top far right. Skip ahead and skip back?	
	
I have already discofered that this Pioneer, maybe all for that matter, requires
the CD to be put in upside down! That is, label down, no tup. Hmmm.	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	

From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Dec 11 21:34:03 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Sun Dec 11 21:37:53 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Help With Sub-Woof Woof
Message-ID: <200512120234.jBC2YgEr006083@smtp.usol.com>


	
Wake Up List!	
	
This beautiful wood end table measuring 18 wide, 18 deep and 23 inches high
has a bottom firing 15 inch woofer in it. it weighs close to fifty pounds.	
	
It is made by BDS, if those who are reading it to me are seeing the letters
correctly. the model appears to be a W15.	
	
On the back is a row of four spring loaded speaker terminals. The usual L+,
L- and R-, R+. Parallel and about 1.75 inches below is a second row of
spring loaded terminals. Now I am guessing the top is for speaker set 'A'
and the bottom for speaker set 'B'.	
	
There is a fuse located vertically between the first and second spring
loaded terminal to the top and the bottom. There is a second fuse located
vertically between the top third and fourth spring loaded connectors and
the bottom ones.	
	
There is no power cord. There is no plug for a power cord. At least none
that I have found any how.  	
	
I believe this dates from the early to mid eighties.	
	
Any ideas as to why it is fused? Who 'really' made it? Whoever it was did
beautiful work and I doubt this sold for much less than $300.   	
	
How about it Mr. Bob the wolf? If it exists I know you have heard of it!	
	
Thank you.	
	
Duane W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	

From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Dec 12 19:26:25 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Mon Dec 12 19:29:47 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512130026.jBD0QMEr014726@smtp.usol.com>



	Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn well what this
contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses etc.So
get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't force me to
use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr. Microphone
in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 	
	
Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!	
	
DBF	

From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Dec 14 12:55:15 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Dec 14 12:57:12 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D302FDF40F@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Could this be it, Duane? Michael

5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1
Surround System without receiver or amplifier 

Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound Systems
within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver or
amplifier.

How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), the
first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the world.
Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System speakers
analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them into a
simulated 5.1 output.

This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround Sound.
-Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.


-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!



	Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn well
what this
contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses
etc.So
get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't force me
to
use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
Microphone
in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 	
	
Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!	
	
DBF	

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 14 18:21:09 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 14 18:29:23 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512142325.jBENPcxt002309@smtp.usol.com>

No Michael. This is early eighties technology.	
	
Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.	
	
I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum analysis
you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must be some
kind of sound lab they have at the college! 	
	
Duane	
	

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM

Could this be it, Duane? Michael

5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1
Surround System without receiver or amplifier 

Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound Systems
within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver or
amplifier.

How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), the
first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the world.
Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System speakers
analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them into a
simulated 5.1 output.

This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround Sound.
-Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.


-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!



	Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn well
what this
contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses
etc.So
get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't force me
to
use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
Microphone
in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 	
	
Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!	
	
DBF	

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 14 18:39:05 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 14 18:46:33 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512142342.jBENgqxt002413@smtp.usol.com>

As long as Michael mentioned 5.1 surround sound, three channels and five
speakers, but what is the "5.1" about?	'	
Thank you.

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM

Could this be it, Duane? Michael

5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1
Surround System without receiver or amplifier 

Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound Systems
within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver or
amplifier.

How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), the
first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the world.
Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System speakers
analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them into a
simulated 5.1 output.

This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround Sound.
-Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.


-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!



	Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn well
what this
contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses
etc.So
get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't force me
to
use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
Microphone
in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 	
	
Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!	
	
DBF	

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From manualman at juno.com  Wed Dec 14 20:14:59 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Wed Dec 14 20:20:35 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <20051214.201527.3816.0.manualman@juno.com>

Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
>         
> Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
>         
> I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> analysis
> you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must be 
> some
> kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
>         
> Duane        
>         
> 
> ----------
> From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> 
> Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> 
> 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 5.1
> Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> 
> Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> Systems
> within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> or
> amplifier.
> 
> How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> the
> first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> world.
> Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System speakers
> analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> into a
> simulated 5.1 output.
> 
> This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround Sound.
> -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> Fischer
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> 
> 
> 
>         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> well
> what this
> contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses
> etc.So
> get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> force me
> to
> use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> Microphone
> in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
>         
>         
> Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
>         
> DBF        
From fwolsen at wi.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 20:38:08 2005
From: fwolsen at wi.rr.com (Fred Olsen)
Date: Wed Dec 14 20:40:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
In-Reply-To: <20051214.201527.3816.0.manualman@juno.com>
References: <20051214.201527.3816.0.manualman@juno.com>
Message-ID: <43A0C900.3020208@wi.rr.com>

peter markavage wrote:
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.

Anybody want to trade 8-tracks?  ;<))

Fred
-- 
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From manualman at juno.com  Wed Dec 14 20:54:14 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Wed Dec 14 21:00:02 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <20051214.205414.3816.1.manualman@juno.com>

I think I still have Bing Crosby on 8-track. Hold it between your fingers
and not worry about contamination even when eating a jelly sandwich. I
think I still have player/recorder for 8-track around here somewhere.
Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:38:08 -0600 Fred Olsen <fwolsen@wi.rr.com> writes:
> peter markavage wrote:
> > Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Anybody want to trade 8-tracks?  ;<))
> 
> Fred
> -- 
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 14 22:26:19 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 14 22:30:07 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512150326.jBF3QQxt004276@smtp.usol.com>

Pete, 	
	
Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of four
channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would you like
more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?	
	
Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind for
the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate interest
among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th eplans
for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented wood
craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it in,
print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features of said
RX and sell a bunch?	
	
Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a yardsale
laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 

----------
From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM

Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
>         
> Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
>         
> I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> analysis
> you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must be 
> some
> kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
>         
> Duane        
>         
> 
> ----------
> From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> 
> Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> 
> 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 5.1
> Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> 
> Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> Systems
> within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> or
> amplifier.
> 
> How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> the
> first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> world.
> Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System speakers
> analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> into a
> simulated 5.1 output.
> 
> This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround Sound.
> -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> Fischer
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> 
> 
> 
>         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> well
> what this
> contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two fuses
> etc.So
> get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> force me
> to
> use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> Microphone
> in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
>         
>         
> Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
>         
> DBF        
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From manualman at juno.com  Thu Dec 15 03:00:41 2005
From: manualman at juno.com (peter markavage)
Date: Thu Dec 15 03:05:04 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <20051215.030046.2356.0.manualman@juno.com>

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Thu Dec 15 10:01:16 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Thu Dec 15 10:03:20 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D302FDF4AA@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec 15 13:20:48 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:24:44 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512151820.jBFIKixt010807@smtp.usol.com>

I have Direct TV. They used to have thirty some music channels. Despite the
claims of "CD quality", it was not. Better than FM stereo radio, but
inferior to a good CD. Now they have changed to this XM Satellite radio and
it stinks! The audio quality is worse, the selections are lousy, the format
is ho hum etc. A step down as far as I am concerned. If this is the future
of commercial radio, they might as well bow Taps now and get it overwith! 	
	
Duane W8DBF	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec 15 13:25:40 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:29:46 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512151826.jBFIPvxt010855@smtp.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
I have forty CDS I recorded of the original songs, not remastered, of the
Billboard Top 100 from 1956-1966! About 90% of them!	
	
I bought each 45 'new', recorded it to DAT and then to CD. 	
	
I have many albums you can no longer buy on CD, none of which are
commercially available. I can supply you with enough music to
listennon-stop for a month. What can I seve your ears?	
	
Duane   

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Thu Dec 15 13:31:18 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:33:26 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D302FDF532@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Hear hear, Duane. I've got Direct TV as well. There's only one good
thing I have to say about XM radio- they have a 40s channel, something
that's conspicuously absent in my radio market. But the sound quality is
weird- too harsh. Too digital, I guess you could say. Still, that hasn't
stopped me from enjoying hearing great songs like Kalamazoo and
Chatanooga Choo-Choo on the radio for the first time in a long, long
time. 

I do have some vinyl and CDs of music from that era, but I simply don't
have a deep enough catalog. The XM channel is a nice supplement. But
hell yeah, I'd rather have all that great stuff on well-made CDs.
Forties and earlier music on CDs, by the way, can be a real crap shoot.
Be sure to read a review first!

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I have Direct TV. They used to have thirty some music channels. Despite
the
claims of "CD quality", it was not. Better than FM stereo radio, but
inferior to a good CD. Now they have changed to this XM Satellite radio
and
it stinks! The audio quality is worse, the selections are lousy, the
format
is ho hum etc. A step down as far as I am concerned. If this is the
future
of commercial radio, they might as well bow Taps now and get it
overwith! 	
	
Duane W8DBF	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Thu Dec 15 13:35:13 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:37:18 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D302FDF535@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Sounds like you couldn't dream of a better source than your collection!
I have heard a few of your CDs and they are phenomenal, and I'd love to
hear more. 

By the way, that spectral analysis I did of your CDs was done on my PC,
with tools downloaded free from the internet. No fancy lab required!

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:26 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

Michael, 	
	
I have forty CDS I recorded of the original songs, not remastered, of
the
Billboard Top 100 from 1956-1966! About 90% of them!	
	
I bought each 45 'new', recorded it to DAT and then to CD. 	
	
I have many albums you can no longer buy on CD, none of which are
commercially available. I can supply you with enough music to
listennon-stop for a month. What can I seve your ears?	
	
Duane   

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec 15 13:40:56 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Thu Dec 15 13:45:14 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512151841.jBFIfPxt010980@smtp.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
i do not buy them, I make them! I have an extensive music collection and
access to over thirty-six thousand albums.	
	
No crap shoot here Michael, you only get snake eyes when playing Monopoly!

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:31 PM

Hear hear, Duane. I've got Direct TV as well. There's only one good
thing I have to say about XM radio- they have a 40s channel, something
that's conspicuously absent in my radio market. But the sound quality is
weird- too harsh. Too digital, I guess you could say. Still, that hasn't
stopped me from enjoying hearing great songs like Kalamazoo and
Chatanooga Choo-Choo on the radio for the first time in a long, long
time. 

I do have some vinyl and CDs of music from that era, but I simply don't
have a deep enough catalog. The XM channel is a nice supplement. But
hell yeah, I'd rather have all that great stuff on well-made CDs.
Forties and earlier music on CDs, by the way, can be a real crap shoot.
Be sure to read a review first!

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I have Direct TV. They used to have thirty some music channels. Despite
the
claims of "CD quality", it was not. Better than FM stereo radio, but
inferior to a good CD. Now they have changed to this XM Satellite radio
and
it stinks! The audio quality is worse, the selections are lousy, the
format
is ho hum etc. A step down as far as I am concerned. If this is the
future
of commercial radio, they might as well bow Taps now and get it
overwith! 	
	
Duane W8DBF	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec 15 16:04:30 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Thu Dec 15 16:08:14 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Message-ID: <200512152104.jBFL4Oxt012309@smtp.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
No matter how big the super computer, gram for gram, man still wins when
the chips are down!

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:35 PM

Sounds like you couldn't dream of a better source than your collection!
I have heard a few of your CDs and they are phenomenal, and I'd love to
hear more. 

By the way, that spectral analysis I did of your CDs was done on my PC,
with tools downloaded free from the internet. No fancy lab required!

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
Fischer
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:26 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

Michael, 	
	
I have forty CDS I recorded of the original songs, not remastered, of
the
Billboard Top 100 from 1956-1966! About 90% of them!	
	
I bought each 45 'new', recorded it to DAT and then to CD. 	
	
I have many albums you can no longer buy on CD, none of which are
commercially available. I can supply you with enough music to
listennon-stop for a month. What can I seve your ears?	
	
Duane   

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM

I've got a smattering of 4-channel media, and still listen from time to
time on my Sony SQ decoding receiver. I have to say I like the 4-channel
8 tracks quite a bit, to be honest, although the mechanism of my
particular player is a little noisy. 

You know, one day most broadcast media will be digital, and I honestly
think at that point you could sell subscribership to some sort of analog
broadcast, low-power station, for esoteric types (or silly nostalgic
types like me). I'd love to hear some decent FM or, even cooler, AM
without the high frequencies chopped off! I have a wide-band AM
component waiting at home for just such a revolutionary moment. I hope
that shortwave and ham radio will prevent the FCC from banning analog
broadcast entirely. 

By the way, the 1 in 5.1 refers to the subwoofer. Left and right front
channels, a center channel, left and right rear add up to five, and the
subwoofer makes point 1. I don't know why it isn't 6 instead, as
surround sound receivers send discrete low frequency info to that
channel. Maybe because we don't sense it as a unique sixth channel? At
least we aren't supposed to. Personally, I prefer my high and low end
information to seem to come from the same source. Subwoofers kinda drive
me crazy, whether in a car or in a living room.

Of course, I'm also the same guy who bought a surround sound receiver
just so I could play DTS-encoded audio and DVD audio discs, using ...
wait for it... two speakers! I guess you'd call it a 2.0 system. I
confess I do have rear speakers that I use occasionally, to see if
something interesting has been done with the extra channels on those DTS
discs. So far, nothing interesting.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter
markavage
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:01 AM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!

I seem to remember having a bunch of the SQ LP's, a few done in the QS
format, and a bunch done in CD-4. They're hanging out in one of my
closets. Have a bunch of 8-tracks that we use to use at Lafayette as
demos. Not looking to add to the collection. I generally don't spend
much
time anymore sitting in front of the hi-fi stuff. When I have free time,
I generally spend it listening to 6 meter static.

Pete

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:26:19 -0500 "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
writes:
> Pete,         
>         
> Either you do no tlisten to much music or have quite a collection of 
> four
> channel media. How many four channel recordings do ou have? Would 
> you like
> more? How about 8 track? How many? Want more?        
>         
> Peter, before either of us leave this thir drock from the Sun behind 
> for
> the great unknown, what say we put together a 5KW FM stereo station
> broadcasting in FM Dolby? Then I hype it to the media and generate 
> interest
> among the curious throngs. next we get somebody who has a copy of th 
> eplans
> for the FM Dolby stereo RX to throw a few together, get a talented 
> wood
> craftsman to make us a knock your tri-focals off cabinet to house it 
> in,
> print up a ridiculous manual expounding on the incredible features 
> of said
> RX and sell a bunch?        
>         
> Before you bust your cheap plastic belt you got for a nickel at a 
> yardsale
> laughing, it would work! It is all in the advertising! 
> 
> ----------
> From: peter markavage <manualman@juno.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:14 PM
> 
> Gee, I'm still using 4 channel sound from the 70's.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:21:09 -0500 "Duane Fischer" 
> <dfischer@usol.com>
> writes:
> > No Michael. This is early eighties technology.        
> >         
> > Interesting gadget though. Thank you sir.        
> >         
> > I want to thank you again for that elaborate frequency spectrum 
> > analysis
> > you did on a CD I made for you early this past Summer. That must 
> be 
> > some
> > kind of sound lab they have at the college!         
> >         
> > Duane        
> >         
> > 
> > ----------
> > From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
> > To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
> > <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 PM
> > 
> > Could this be it, Duane? Michael
> > 
> > 5-channel plus subwoofer that turns any stereo sound system into a 
> 
> > 5.1
> > Surround System without receiver or amplifier 
> > 
> > Benwin's new breakthrough Digital Surround Sound Systems let you
> > transform your existing stereo systems into 5.1 Surround Sound 
> > Systems
> > within seconds... WITHOUT the need for a digital decoder, receiver 
> 
> > or
> > amplifier.
> > 
> > How is this possible? It's called Benwin Digital Surround (BDS), 
> > the
> > first and only type of "instant surround sound" system in the 
> > world.
> > Through a sophisticated series of digital algorithms hosted on an
> > onboard microprocessor, Benwin Digital Surround 5.1 System 
> speakers
> > analyze frequencies and relative ambient levels to "decode" them 
> > into a
> > simulated 5.1 output.
> > 
> > This means less components, less costs, and instant Surround 
> Sound.
> > -Turns any stereo sound system into a 5.1 Surround System.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:26 PM
> > To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Come On Guys!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Now I know one of you wizards of wire wonders know darn 
> > well
> > what this
> > contraption I have acquired is, who "BDS" is, why it has two 
> fuses
> > etc.So
> > get your butt cakes to the keyboard and tell me about it. Don't 
> > force me
> > to
> > use my hot line to Santa to arrange for a neat gimmick like Mr.
> > Microphone
> > in your Fruit Of The Looms hung by the wood burner with care! 
> >         
> >         
> > Actually Ron made a bundle with that invention!        
> >         
> > DBF        
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From dfischer at usol.com  Thu Dec 15 16:50:46 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Thu Dec 15 16:54:28 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Correction On Sub-Woof Specs
Message-ID: <200512152150.jBFLodxt012710@smtp.usol.com>


	
Hi All, 	
	
It is hard to get good help nowadays! Some of those who help me I do not
think see as good as I do not! (LOL!)	
	
The sub-woof woof is actually made by DBX and the model is DB-SW15! It is
rated from 20 watts minimum to a max of 250 watts RMS. The impedence is 6.3
Ohms. 	
	
The lower set of connectors are for the left and right channel inputs and
the top set of four are for the left and right channel outputs! As my good
friend, and excellent tech, KO6BB, Phil told me. The crossovers inside the
woof woof are sending the bass to the fifteen inch and the highe
frequencies to the Advent two-way speakers on the left and right channels. 
  	
	
So gentlemen, any additional comments on the quality and/or functionality
of the SW-15 now that we DBX made it in the USA?	
	
Thank you.	
	
Duane W8DBF	

From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Dec 19 22:25:26 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Mon Dec 19 22:29:51 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] DBX Woofer
Message-ID: <200512200325.jBK3PIZh024727@smtp.usol.com>


	
Hi All, 	
	
The sub-woofer I acquired turns out to be made by DBX and is he model SW15.
A beautiful medium Oak measuring 18X18X23 inches. I should have stated that
the height was 23 inches! Uses a 15 inch woofer with heavy magnet, bottom
firing.	
	
The left and right channel audio cables from the amp connect to the "input"
of the sub-woof woof and crossover at 250 Hz, therest of the audio above
250 Hz is fed to the left and right main speakers from connections on the
SW15 marked "output". Both lines are fused to prevent accidental overload.	
	
This is a beauty! Weighs it at 48 pounds. It takes a minimum of 20 watts to
drive and the maximum drive is stated as 250 watts. Although I would be
personally reluctant to hit it with 250 watts continuous RMS!	
	
Gentlemen. What is this sub-woof woof worth? Just curios, it is not being
sold.	
	
If any of you are interested in my H.H. Scott amp and tuner, I would love
to sell them! I have atwo, one stays here! Fully rebuilt, original,
complete, attractive and beautiful audio! The LK-48B with center channel
and LT-110 FM/FM stereo tuner. And manuals too!	
	
Thank you. 	
	
Duane W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	
 
From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Dec 19 22:43:03 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Mon Dec 19 22:47:28 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Advent Model 2002
Message-ID: <200512200342.jBK3gtZh024819@smtp.usol.com>


	
Gentlemen, 	
	
I am going to have the pair of Advent model 2002 speakers I acquired
reconed. The foam suspension is long gone. The cabinets are beautiful,
hardly a mark on them. The front grill looks good.	
	
This model contains either a six inch or an eight inch 'woofer' and a
tweeter. (I will NEVER consider any speaker smaller than ten inches as a
woofer!) I am told by those who have owned them that despite their small
size and weight, the Advent 2002 do quite an impressive job. BIG sound for
small stature. True?  

Now I figure that if I combine them with the DBX SW15 sub-woof woof and the
Yamaha CR-2200 with 70 watts continuous RMS per channel, that the results
should be acceptable. Even for a spoiled brat James B. Lansing Century
L-100 owner! 	
	
My oldest grandson is fourteen, has grown up with his wild and crazy
Grandpa, and has been exposed to 'real' audeio since he was in diapers! He
was able to load an Ameritron AL-1500 HF amp at age six and tell from his
room if Grandpa was playing music through the James B. Lansing system or
the B&W model 630 bi-wired system by age eight! He is also one of those
teenagers who does not like audio levels that shake the paint off the
walls! Hence  am considering making himthe owner of this very nice vintage
stereo system.	
	
Tell me straight up guys, are the Advent 2002 worth spending the money on
to have the foam suspension replaced? 	
	
When the frequencies above 250 Hz are fed to the Advent 2002 speakers they
should sound quite good, but what about the mid bass and low bass from 250
Hz down being fed into the DBX SW15 sub-woof woof? Good? Bad? Or Ugly?	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	

From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Dec 26 19:38:06 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Mon Dec 26 19:50:37 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Message-ID: <200512270049.jBR0nDZh013072@smtp.usol.com>


	
Hi All, 	
	
The single DBX SW-15 with bottom firing 15 inch woof woof uses something I
am not familiar with. Are any of you?	
	
It has an input for the left and right channels from the amplifier. The
signals are run through a crossover network and those from 250 Hz down sent
on to the speaker and those above 250 Hz are sent to terminals on the back
of the cabinet. The left and right speakers are connected to these
terminals.	
	
The 15 inch speaker has two voice coils, one for the right channel and a
second one for the left channel. Somehow the two signals are put in phase
and fed to a single speaker. 	
	
How did they cause the two voice coils to work with one speaker? 	
	
Was doing this common or unusual?	
	
Thanks for your assistance.	
	
Duane W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	

From matt34_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 00:54:29 2005
From: matt34_mn at yahoo.com (Matt Johnson)
Date: Wed Dec 28 00:56:03 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
In-Reply-To: <200512270049.jBR0nDZh013072@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <20051228055429.94305.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> The 15 inch speaker has two voice coils, one for the
> right channel and a
> second one for the left channel. Somehow the two
> signals are put in phase
> and fed to a single speaker. 	
> 	
> How did they cause the two voice coils to work with
> one speaker?

Its simply two voice coils wound on the single former
that are electrically isolated from each other. The
signals applied to each are magnetically summed
allowing each amplifier channel to be added without
electrically connecting them.
 	
> 	
> Was doing this common or unusual?

Quite common actually, many passive subs use this
arrangement. It is even more common is car audio
though. Often people will connect both coils to a
common amplifier channel to obtain a lower drive
impedance (provided they have a current capable amp!).
Of course it is vital that proper phasing is observed
since low bass is usually in phase. Connect the
channels out of phase and the net drive to the cone is
zero!

The shame in this situation is that there is a high
level crossover between the amp and the passive
woofer. To really drive a sub the voice coil needs to
be connected directly to the amp with no reactance in
line to harm damping factor. Also having a low level
crossover ahead of the amps will allow the amps to
deal with their respective frequency bands reducing IM
distortion between the seperate systems. I had a
friend of mine that had an older Cerwin Vega 12"
passive sub like this that removed the passive
crossover replacing it with a plate with connectors on
it. When he drove the system with a pair of amplifiers
and a low level crossover I was simply amazed at the
performance. My JBL 2235H still did much better
though!

Regards,

Matt


	
		
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 28 01:49:52 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 28 01:51:32 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Message-ID: <200512280650.jBS6o1Zh022814@smtp.usol.com>

I spoke with Judith Fulkerson, Oxford, Michigan today. She has been
rebuilding speakers professionally since 1976. The only brand she knew of
that were set up like this one was made by Infinity. 	
	
I believe the phasing is not as simple as you assert. A speaker cone can
not travel in two different directions at the same time. How is this
compensated for? 	
	
You make reference to more than one amplifier, this involves only one. 	
	
Keep in mind this was when the so called "sub" woofer was a new concept.
Much has changed since this was developed. Personally, I would call this a
woofer being shared by two channels, as you can not have a sub-woofer
without a woofer, right?	
 


----------
From: Matt Johnson <matt34_mn@yahoo.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:54 AM

> The 15 inch speaker has two voice coils, one for the
> right channel and a
> second one for the left channel. Somehow the two
> signals are put in phase
> and fed to a single speaker. 	
> 	
> How did they cause the two voice coils to work with
> one speaker?

Its simply two voice coils wound on the single former
that are electrically isolated from each other. The
signals applied to each are magnetically summed
allowing each amplifier channel to be added without
electrically connecting them.
 	
> 	
> Was doing this common or unusual?

Quite common actually, many passive subs use this
arrangement. It is even more common is car audio
though. Often people will connect both coils to a
common amplifier channel to obtain a lower drive
impedance (provided they have a current capable amp!).
Of course it is vital that proper phasing is observed
since low bass is usually in phase. Connect the
channels out of phase and the net drive to the cone is
zero!

The shame in this situation is that there is a high
level crossover between the amp and the passive
woofer. To really drive a sub the voice coil needs to
be connected directly to the amp with no reactance in
line to harm damping factor. Also having a low level
crossover ahead of the amps will allow the amps to
deal with their respective frequency bands reducing IM
distortion between the seperate systems. I had a
friend of mine that had an older Cerwin Vega 12"
passive sub like this that removed the passive
crossover replacing it with a plate with connectors on
it. When he drove the system with a pair of amplifiers
and a low level crossover I was simply amazed at the
performance. My JBL 2235H still did much better
though!

Regards,

Matt


	
		
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From wolfbob at csnsys.com  Wed Dec 28 02:25:14 2005
From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob)
Date: Wed Dec 28 02:26:52 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
References: <200512280650.jBS6o1Zh022814@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c60b7f$db4c9860$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>

I think it was an easy way to get subwoofer performance from 
both channels without an additional amplifier to bring the 
two channels together and equal to the rest of the speaker 
system. Very low frequencies have no directional or spatial 
contribution so only one sub-woofer is required for very 
good stereo sound, but how do you combine the two stereo 
channels and get them up to snuff unless you do something 
clever such as the dual voice coil speaker. The very low 
freqs in the two channels are averaged, but that is still 
OK.

WBob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 
back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?


>I spoke with Judith Fulkerson, Oxford, Michigan today. She 
>has been
> rebuilding speakers professionally since 1976. The only 
> brand she knew of
> that were set up like this one was made by Infinity.
>
> I believe the phasing is not as simple as you assert. A 
> speaker cone can
> not travel in two different directions at the same time. 
> How is this
> compensated for?
>
> You make reference to more than one amplifier, this 
> involves only one.
>
> Keep in mind this was when the so called "sub" woofer was 
> a new concept.
> Much has changed since this was developed. Personally, I 
> would call this a
> woofer being shared by two channels, as you can not have a 
> sub-woofer
> without a woofer, right?
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Matt Johnson <matt34_mn@yahoo.com>
> To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 
> 1975 back
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
> Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:54 AM
>
>> The 15 inch speaker has two voice coils, one for the
>> right channel and a
>> second one for the left channel. Somehow the two
>> signals are put in phase
>> and fed to a single speaker.
>>
>> How did they cause the two voice coils to work with
>> one speaker?
>
> Its simply two voice coils wound on the single former
> that are electrically isolated from each other. The
> signals applied to each are magnetically summed
> allowing each amplifier channel to be added without
> electrically connecting them.
>
>>
>> Was doing this common or unusual?
>
> Quite common actually, many passive subs use this
> arrangement. It is even more common is car audio
> though. Often people will connect both coils to a
> common amplifier channel to obtain a lower drive
> impedance (provided they have a current capable amp!).
> Of course it is vital that proper phasing is observed
> since low bass is usually in phase. Connect the
> channels out of phase and the net drive to the cone is
> zero!
>
> The shame in this situation is that there is a high
> level crossover between the amp and the passive
> woofer. To really drive a sub the voice coil needs to
> be connected directly to the amp with no reactance in
> line to harm damping factor. Also having a low level
> crossover ahead of the amps will allow the amps to
> deal with their respective frequency bands reducing IM
> distortion between the seperate systems. I had a
> friend of mine that had an older Cerwin Vega 12"
> passive sub like this that removed the passive
> crossover replacing it with a plate with connectors on
> it. When he drove the system with a pair of amplifiers
> and a low level crossover I was simply amazed at the
> performance. My JBL 2235H still did much better
> though!
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
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From matt34_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 02:34:20 2005
From: matt34_mn at yahoo.com (Matt Johnson)
Date: Wed Dec 28 02:35:52 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
In-Reply-To: <200512280650.jBS6o1Zh022814@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <20051228073420.52301.qmail@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I spoke with Judith Fulkerson, Oxford, Michigan
> today. She has been
> rebuilding speakers professionally since 1976. The
> only brand she knew of
> that were set up like this one was made by Infinity.

Curious, as many manufacturers have made dual voice
coil drivers over the years. I don't know this person
and I wouldn't wish to question their knowledge but
how they couldn't know of dual voice coil drives makes
me wonder. They must not deal with car audio much I
suppose. Still there were a number of home system subs
that used dual voice coil drivers to make integration
easier. Cerwin Vega was a common dual coil system in
the 80's.

Here is a link on the Crutchfield site describing dual
voice coil drivers and their use in car audio.

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_dual.html
 	
> I believe the phasing is not as simple as you
> assert. A speaker cone can
> not travel in two different directions at the same
> time. How is this
> compensated for?

It is as simple as I described. At worst if the two
channels were driven with equal amplitudes 180 degrees
out of phase there would be zero net motion. Drive
both channels with an equal amplitude signal in phase
and the excursion would double. Its simple magnetic
summing. Of course since most low bass information is
equal in phase most of the summing results in
increased drive not decreased.
	
> 	
> You make reference to more than one amplifier, this
> involves only one.

Kind of, but we are dealing with two amplifiers, one
for the right channel and one for the left. I also
made reference to a true biamplified system that is
dividing frequency ranges before the amplifiers as
opposed to using a passive high level crossover after
them. This is the only way I care to run a sub for
numerous reasons. Apart from my perviously mentioned
impact to the damping factor the high level crossover
creates, the other thing that bothers me is that its
is very difficult to create a passive crossover under
100 cycles. The inductors are simply too large is they
are able to handle any power without saturating. A low
level active crossover is much better at these low
frequencies. As you can surmise I feel that a sub
crossover point of 250 hz is too high. My JBL sub only
handles 70 cycles and below.	
> 	
> Keep in mind this was when the so called "sub"
> woofer was a new concept.
> Much has changed since this was developed.
> Personally, I would call this a
> woofer being shared by two channels, as you can not
> have a sub-woofer
> without a woofer, right?
	
The term Subwoofer is one of those terms that attempts
to be descriptive although it isn't really all that
accurate. Of course it could just be refered to as
being a woofer. It seems that it generally is applied
to a woofer that is added to a existing system to
augment bass extension/output. It also seems to apply
when a single driver is used on both channels of a
stereo playback system.

Regards,

Matt



		
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 28 11:39:09 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 28 11:46:10 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Message-ID: <200512281644.jBSGiOZh025387@smtp.usol.com>

You are correct. She does not do work on automotive speakers in general.
Not cost effective to recone them.	
	
She repairs what people want repaired. So what she works on is what people
keep and continue to use.	
	
There probably are other brands that use them, but Infinity is the only one
people seem to bring in to have the reconing done to.	
	
Duane W8DBF	


----------
From: Matt Johnson <matt34_mn@yahoo.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:34 AM

> I spoke with Judith Fulkerson, Oxford, Michigan
> today. She has been
> rebuilding speakers professionally since 1976. The
> only brand she knew of
> that were set up like this one was made by Infinity.

Curious, as many manufacturers have made dual voice
coil drivers over the years. I don't know this person
and I wouldn't wish to question their knowledge but
how they couldn't know of dual voice coil drives makes
me wonder. They must not deal with car audio much I
suppose. Still there were a number of home system subs
that used dual voice coil drivers to make integration
easier. Cerwin Vega was a common dual coil system in
the 80's.

Here is a link on the Crutchfield site describing dual
voice coil drivers and their use in car audio.

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/car/subwoofer
s_dual.html
 	
> I believe the phasing is not as simple as you
> assert. A speaker cone can
> not travel in two different directions at the same
> time. How is this
> compensated for?

It is as simple as I described. At worst if the two
channels were driven with equal amplitudes 180 degrees
out of phase there would be zero net motion. Drive
both channels with an equal amplitude signal in phase
and the excursion would double. Its simple magnetic
summing. Of course since most low bass information is
equal in phase most of the summing results in
increased drive not decreased.
	
> 	
> You make reference to more than one amplifier, this
> involves only one.

Kind of, but we are dealing with two amplifiers, one
for the right channel and one for the left. I also
made reference to a true biamplified system that is
dividing frequency ranges before the amplifiers as
opposed to using a passive high level crossover after
them. This is the only way I care to run a sub for
numerous reasons. Apart from my perviously mentioned
impact to the damping factor the high level crossover
creates, the other thing that bothers me is that its
is very difficult to create a passive crossover under
100 cycles. The inductors are simply too large is they
are able to handle any power without saturating. A low
level active crossover is much better at these low
frequencies. As you can surmise I feel that a sub
crossover point of 250 hz is too high. My JBL sub only
handles 70 cycles and below.	
> 	
> Keep in mind this was when the so called "sub"
> woofer was a new concept.
> Much has changed since this was developed.
> Personally, I would call this a
> woofer being shared by two channels, as you can not
> have a sub-woofer
> without a woofer, right?
	
The term Subwoofer is one of those terms that attempts
to be descriptive although it isn't really all that
accurate. Of course it could just be refered to as
being a woofer. It seems that it generally is applied
to a woofer that is added to a existing system to
augment bass extension/output. It also seems to apply
when a single driver is used on both channels of a
stereo playback system.

Regards,

Matt



		
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Dec 28 15:22:40 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Wed Dec 28 15:24:19 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Message-ID: <200512282022.jBSKMbZj026533@smtp.usol.com>

Bob, 	
	
Makes sense to me. Thanks!	
	
FYI: The two Advent 2002 speakers have been reconed and are ready to come
home. Now I have to get a ride to go get them. They should sound nice in
harmony with the woof woof!	
	
Duane W8DBF	


----------
From: wolfbob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:25 AM

I think it was an easy way to get subwoofer performance from 
both channels without an additional amplifier to bring the 
two channels together and equal to the rest of the speaker 
system. Very low frequencies have no directional or spatial 
contribution so only one sub-woofer is required for very 
good stereo sound, but how do you combine the two stereo 
channels and get them up to snuff unless you do something 
clever such as the dual voice coil speaker. The very low 
freqs in the two channels are averaged, but that is still 
OK.

WBob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 
back" <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?


>I spoke with Judith Fulkerson, Oxford, Michigan today. She 
>has been
> rebuilding speakers professionally since 1976. The only 
> brand she knew of
> that were set up like this one was made by Infinity.
>
> I believe the phasing is not as simple as you assert. A 
> speaker cone can
> not travel in two different directions at the same time. 
> How is this
> compensated for?
>
> You make reference to more than one amplifier, this 
> involves only one.
>
> Keep in mind this was when the so called "sub" woofer was 
> a new concept.
> Much has changed since this was developed. Personally, I 
> would call this a
> woofer being shared by two channels, as you can not have a 
> sub-woofer
> without a woofer, right?
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Matt Johnson <matt34_mn@yahoo.com>
> To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 
> 1975 back
> <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Dual Voice Coil For Woofer?
> Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:54 AM
>
>> The 15 inch speaker has two voice coils, one for the
>> right channel and a
>> second one for the left channel. Somehow the two
>> signals are put in phase
>> and fed to a single speaker.
>>
>> How did they cause the two voice coils to work with
>> one speaker?
>
> Its simply two voice coils wound on the single former
> that are electrically isolated from each other. The
> signals applied to each are magnetically summed
> allowing each amplifier channel to be added without
> electrically connecting them.
>
>>
>> Was doing this common or unusual?
>
> Quite common actually, many passive subs use this
> arrangement. It is even more common is car audio
> though. Often people will connect both coils to a
> common amplifier channel to obtain a lower drive
> impedance (provided they have a current capable amp!).
> Of course it is vital that proper phasing is observed
> since low bass is usually in phase. Connect the
> channels out of phase and the net drive to the cone is
> zero!
>
> The shame in this situation is that there is a high
> level crossover between the amp and the passive
> woofer. To really drive a sub the voice coil needs to
> be connected directly to the amp with no reactance in
> line to harm damping factor. Also having a low level
> crossover ahead of the amps will allow the amps to
> deal with their respective frequency bands reducing IM
> distortion between the seperate systems. I had a
> friend of mine that had an older Cerwin Vega 12"
> passive sub like this that removed the passive
> crossover replacing it with a plate with connectors on
> it. When he drove the system with a pair of amplifiers
> and a low level crossover I was simply amazed at the
> performance. My JBL 2235H still did much better
> though!
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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From dfischer at usol.com  Fri Dec 30 21:47:48 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Fri Dec 30 21:49:59 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Off Topic About VHS
Message-ID: <007801c60db4$9f7ef5d0$90ec1240@hpdc5100mt>



If anyone knows how to convert a VHS tape to a DVD, please contact me off 
list.

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I can not find anyone who knows the answer.

Duane W8DBF
dfischer@usol.com

From bsugarberg at core.com  Fri Dec 30 23:51:10 2005
From: bsugarberg at core.com (BSugarberg)
Date: Fri Dec 30 23:53:20 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] VHS To DVD
In-Reply-To: <007801c60db4$9f7ef5d0$90ec1240@hpdc5100mt>
References: <007801c60db4$9f7ef5d0$90ec1240@hpdc5100mt>
Message-ID: <43B60E3E.3020907@core.com>

Hello Duane,

I can tell you everything you need to know.

I just need to ask you one question first.
Are the tapes you want to copy copy protected?

73, Bruce WA8TNC
====================
Duane Fischer wrote:
> 
> If anyone knows how to convert a VHS tape to a DVD, please contact me 
> off list.
> 
> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I can not find anyone who knows the answer.
> 
> Duane W8DBF
> dfischer@usol.com

From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Dec 31 00:42:33 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane Fischer)
Date: Sat Dec 31 00:44:44 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] VHS To DVD
References: <007801c60db4$9f7ef5d0$90ec1240@hpdc5100mt>
	<43B60E3E.3020907@core.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c60dcd$08640ff0$5eec1240@hpdc5100mt>

Hello Bruce,

No. They are not. I own them legally. All are video taken of me performing 
over a twenty year period, some did appear on local TV, some on national TV, 
but in all cases I own both the film footage and hold the copyright. The 
studios released the master tapes to me under a mutual agreement.

The work I wish to do is not for sale, mostly for convenience, some for 
preservation.

Thank you sir.

Duane Fischer, W8DBF


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BSugarberg" <bsugarberg@core.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:51 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] VHS To DVD


> Hello Duane,
>
> I can tell you everything you need to know.
>
> I just need to ask you one question first.
> Are the tapes you want to copy copy protected?
>
> 73, Bruce WA8TNC
> ====================
> Duane Fischer wrote:
>>
>> If anyone knows how to convert a VHS tape to a DVD, please contact me off 
>> list.
>>
>> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I can not find anyone who knows the answer.
>>
>> Duane W8DBF
>> dfischer@usol.com
>
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