From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Apr  4 00:46:51 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Apr  4 00:49:48 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale 
Message-ID: <200504040448.j344m7d8015247@smtp.usol.com>


	
Hi All, 	
	
I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party is
interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 foot reel to
reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty close to it!)
grade audio tapes. They are still sealed.	
	
Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten each? If so,
please contact me direct.	
	
This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the U.S. Navy
for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled
environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227 grades.	
	
I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this superior audio
tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, please send
them my way. Thank you.	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF   	
dfischer@usol.com	
  
From kc7hkp at comcast.net  Mon Apr  4 18:07:19 2005
From: kc7hkp at comcast.net (kc7hkp@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Apr  4 18:09:08 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale 
Message-ID: <040420052207.22929.4251BA97000E92770000599122007621949F0508C90C05@comcast.net>

how much are you asking ?

--
KC7HKP 
George Yazzolino 
14801 NE 20th Circle 
Vancouver, Wa. 98684 
Grid CN-85

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> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party is 
> interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 foot reel to 
> reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty close to it!) 
> grade audio tapes. They are still sealed. 
> 
> Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten each? If so, 
> please contact me direct. 
> 
> This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the U.S. Navy 
> for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled 
> environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227 grades. 
> 
> I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this superior audio 
> tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, please send 
> them my way. Thank you. 
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF 
> dfischer@usol.com 
> 
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From ken.sands at juno.com  Mon Apr  4 14:22:02 2005
From: ken.sands at juno.com (kenneth s sands)
Date: Wed Apr  6 08:30:36 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Message-ID: <20050405.013641.776.1.ken.sands@juno.com>

I need some of those tapes Duane ........I can use them on my MCI two
track and Teac/Tascam 4 track!!
73, Ken K8TFD

Ken Sands
Audio/Video Engineer
Cell 734-564-0316 Home 734-453-7658
From Jicaru at icon.co.za  Wed Apr  6 10:47:36 2005
From: Jicaru at icon.co.za (Welsh)
Date: Wed Apr  6 10:49:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <004c01c53ab7$93edf980$102b1cc4@co.za>

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II) coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed! So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for? Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 10:59:49 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:00:58 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE2BB@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From ma.locksmith at juno.com  Wed Apr  6 11:20:00 2005
From: ma.locksmith at juno.com (ma.locksmith@juno.com)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:24:17 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <20050406.112000.-730649.8.ma.locksmith@juno.com>

I happen to have a Pfanstiehl needle and cartridge guide from 1989.

The Excell cartridge appears to be a variant of the ES-70 line.  If you
can supply the exact model number, I can give you the characteristics and
even the replacement stylus number.....  your job is to find one...  :o)

Can even tell from the color of the stylus.  Selections are:  Blue, Red,
Yellow, Gray, and Brown.

Ed

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:47:36 +0200 "Welsh" <Jicaru@icon.co.za> writes:
> The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus 
> messed! 
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 11:23:30 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:27:18 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061524.j36FOvd8017706@smtp.usol.com>

Hello Jim, 	
	
Where have you been hiding, heh? I have not heard from you in way too long! 	
	
Do not be too quick to be negative about the Shure cartridge and stylus. I have
used them for forty years with excellent results. In fact, one guy who answered
you, Michael S., has some CD recordings I sent him made from vinyl using said
Shure items.	
	
It is seldom that the cartridge itself goes bad, it is generally the stylus. The
exception being that the cartridge is physical abused or otherwise damaged.   	
	
I have a supplier here in Michigan who has many of the older cartridges and
styluses. Perhaps I can get you what you need? 	
	
You must remember that over the decades the manner in which vinyl was recorded
has changed. The older recordings inmono had a deeper cut and a wider groove.
hence the stylus was physicall different. The stereo grooves were about a third
of the depth, 1 mil, and more narrow. hence a different stylus. A mono stylus
would plow out the stereo grooves quite rapidly! As some who knew no better fund
out! (Any of you do that?)	
	
The tracking weight also varied a lot from record changer or turntable to type
of recording in use. Some played 78, 33 1/3 and 45 rpm, for instance. 		
	
If ou try to track too light, under one gram, many of the older vinyl recordings
will have poor quality audio. If you track too heavy, the stylus will literally
bend!	
	
Enlighten me, and the group, what recordings you desire to play Jim. Mono?
Stereo? The vinyl albums using 33 1/3 rpm or 45 singles? What the tracking
weight for your changer or turntable is typically, do you have an anti-skate
unit and so forth.	
	
Duane W8DBF	
	

	
  

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From: Welsh <Jicaru@icon.co.za>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:47 AM

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II) coupled with
an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in place) - all for ZAR300
(about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed! So, I am
looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle from my wife's
sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for? Reasonably priced but
good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I would have
to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September when I head off to
the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 11:24:12 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:38:33 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061536.j36FaQd8017921@smtp.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 11:25:01 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:38:36 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061536.j36FaQdA017921@smtp.usol.com>

And he has the courage to tell us he is coming to the USA? (chuckle!)	
	
DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 11:39:35 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 11:40:39 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE2D7@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 12:11:29 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 12:15:00 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061612.j36GCnd8018495@smtp.usol.com>

Hey! I am glad you were impressed by the highs, but remember this is not the RCA
Nashville studio! You are listening to my incredible talent (think I just pulled
a groin muscle patting myself on the back!) and some high end audio gear housed
in my living room studio. It has a sixty percent Cork ceiling, nice carpeting
and heavy drapery opposite the primary speakers to dampen the  sound and
minimize bounce back. 	
	
The magic, if there is any, is in the method I use Michael. However, the Sony ES
DAT decks do produce the sound I want, just as close to the actual original as I
can make it. I do not enhance anything, no EQ of any kind ever.	
	
Let me know what this fancy analysis of yours shows, but if you want a urine
sample, forget it! (chuckle)	
	
There is an advantage to being totally blind when doing this custom recording
Michael, as I am never confused by all of those colorful flashing LED's, meter
needles dancing between safe green and dangerous red color bands, no 'tilt'
lights flashing, no scope patterns to figure out and so forth. I use my
experience, my keen sense of hearing (just monitor speakers, as headphones
bother my ears), familiarity with the music being recorded and my natural
ability to work with both hands at the same time to achieve split second timing.
Most importantly, one heck of a lot of practice!  	
	
I much prefer the mechanical switches as opposed to the electronic ones. I can
split a note in half with the mechanical ones, but the electronic ones do not
stop where you stop them. They either back up when you release the 'pause' and
clip off themusic prior to wher eyou wanted it to stop or otherwise insert some
kind of delay. Very difficult to work with. All of my high end audio equipment
uses the mechanical switching, by the way.  	
	
I used to have a Panasonic VHS deck, one of those that were the size of a
microwave! It had mechanical switching and it was fantastic! I could pause it,
wait for a commercial series to end, release the pause and it started instantly.
Not with what they make today! Overlaps, hesitations, video distortion for a
second and so forth. They may be cheaper and smaller, but they ar enot better!	
	
Duane W8DBF	





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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 12:25:38 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 12:26:52 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE2F1@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Duane, You mention the treatment of your listening room. You aren't
trying to say you mike up your monitors and record that..? Or do you? If
so, the results are superb. 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:11 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Hey! I am glad you were impressed by the highs, but remember this is not
the RCA Nashville studio! You are listening to my incredible talent
(think I just pulled a groin muscle patting myself on the back!) and
some high end audio gear housed in my living room studio. It has a sixty
percent Cork ceiling, nice carpeting and heavy drapery opposite the
primary speakers to dampen the  sound and
minimize bounce back. 	
	
The magic, if there is any, is in the method I use Michael. However, the
Sony ES DAT decks do produce the sound I want, just as close to the
actual original as I
can make it. I do not enhance anything, no EQ of any kind ever.	
	
Let me know what this fancy analysis of yours shows, but if you want a
urine
sample, forget it! (chuckle)	
	
There is an advantage to being totally blind when doing this custom
recording Michael, as I am never confused by all of those colorful
flashing LED's, meter needles dancing between safe green and dangerous
red color bands, no 'tilt'
lights flashing, no scope patterns to figure out and so forth. I use my
experience, my keen sense of hearing (just monitor speakers, as
headphones bother my ears), familiarity with the music being recorded
and my natural ability to work with both hands at the same time to
achieve split second timing.
Most importantly, one heck of a lot of practice!  	
	
I much prefer the mechanical switches as opposed to the electronic ones.
I can split a note in half with the mechanical ones, but the electronic
ones do not stop where you stop them. They either back up when you
release the 'pause' and clip off themusic prior to wher eyou wanted it
to stop or otherwise insert some kind of delay. Very difficult to work
with. All of my high end audio equipment
uses the mechanical switching, by the way.  	
	
I used to have a Panasonic VHS deck, one of those that were the size of
a microwave! It had mechanical switching and it was fantastic! I could
pause it, wait for a commercial series to end, release the pause and it
started instantly.
Not with what they make today! Overlaps, hesitations, video distortion
for a
second and so forth. They may be cheaper and smaller, but they ar enot
better!	
	
Duane W8DBF	





 ----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 13:55:38 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 13:59:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061757.j36Hv8dA020121@smtp.usol.com>

And the results of this spectral analysis are? 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 13:53:41 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 13:59:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061757.j36Hv8d8020121@smtp.usol.com>

Absolutely not! Unless I do a voice over, it is all done direct using either
optical cables or gold plated coaxial cables.	
	
Should I send you a couple of photos?	
	
DBF	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:25 PM

Duane, You mention the treatment of your listening room. You aren't
trying to say you mike up your monitors and record that..? Or do you? If
so, the results are superb. 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:11 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Hey! I am glad you were impressed by the highs, but remember this is not
the RCA Nashville studio! You are listening to my incredible talent
(think I just pulled a groin muscle patting myself on the back!) and
some high end audio gear housed in my living room studio. It has a sixty
percent Cork ceiling, nice carpeting and heavy drapery opposite the
primary speakers to dampen the  sound and
minimize bounce back. 	
	
The magic, if there is any, is in the method I use Michael. However, the
Sony ES DAT decks do produce the sound I want, just as close to the
actual original as I
can make it. I do not enhance anything, no EQ of any kind ever.	
	
Let me know what this fancy analysis of yours shows, but if you want a
urine
sample, forget it! (chuckle)	
	
There is an advantage to being totally blind when doing this custom
recording Michael, as I am never confused by all of those colorful
flashing LED's, meter needles dancing between safe green and dangerous
red color bands, no 'tilt'
lights flashing, no scope patterns to figure out and so forth. I use my
experience, my keen sense of hearing (just monitor speakers, as
headphones bother my ears), familiarity with the music being recorded
and my natural ability to work with both hands at the same time to
achieve split second timing.
Most importantly, one heck of a lot of practice!  	
	
I much prefer the mechanical switches as opposed to the electronic ones.
I can split a note in half with the mechanical ones, but the electronic
ones do not stop where you stop them. They either back up when you
release the 'pause' and clip off themusic prior to wher eyou wanted it
to stop or otherwise insert some kind of delay. Very difficult to work
with. All of my high end audio equipment
uses the mechanical switching, by the way.  	
	
I used to have a Panasonic VHS deck, one of those that were the size of
a microwave! It had mechanical switching and it was fantastic! I could
pause it, wait for a commercial series to end, release the pause and it
started instantly.
Not with what they make today! Overlaps, hesitations, video distortion
for a
second and so forth. They may be cheaper and smaller, but they ar enot
better!	
	
Duane W8DBF	





 ----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From Jicaru at icon.co.za  Wed Apr  6 14:07:19 2005
From: Jicaru at icon.co.za (Welsh)
Date: Wed Apr  6 14:09:00 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
References: <20050406.112000.-730649.8.ma.locksmith@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c53ad3$7a0cd920$102b1cc4@co.za>

Hi

Thanks for the information.

The Excel cartridge is marked as follows <Excel ES-70S>. It has a chromed,
metal body.

Do you have any idea of what it is/was like in terms of performance,
reviews, opinions, etc?

Any assistance would be appreciated

Regards

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa








----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ma.locksmith@juno.com>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE


> I happen to have a Pfanstiehl needle and cartridge guide from 1989.
>
> The Excell cartridge appears to be a variant of the ES-70 line.  If you
> can supply the exact model number, I can give you the characteristics and
> even the replacement stylus number.....  your job is to find one...  :o)
>
> Can even tell from the color of the stylus.  Selections are:  Blue, Red,
> Yellow, Gray, and Brown.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:47:36 +0200 "Welsh" <Jicaru@icon.co.za> writes:
> > The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus
> > messed!
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 14:42:33 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 14:43:41 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE320@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

I guessed as much, Duane, I was just making too many assumptions there.
I was going to grill you about what sort of mikes, and placement and so
forth. To prove to a friend once that my tube amp sounded better than
his Sony surround sound amp, I miked up my Celestions (the source was
Martin Denny vinyl) at close range using earthworks condensers. The
recording was really good, all things considered, although I didn't
manage to convince my friend of anything. Impressed myself, though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:54 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Absolutely not! Unless I do a voice over, it is all done direct using
either
optical cables or gold plated coaxial cables.	
	
Should I send you a couple of photos?	
	
DBF	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:25 PM

Duane, You mention the treatment of your listening room. You aren't
trying to say you mike up your monitors and record that..? Or do you? If
so, the results are superb. 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:11 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Hey! I am glad you were impressed by the highs, but remember this is not
the RCA Nashville studio! You are listening to my incredible talent
(think I just pulled a groin muscle patting myself on the back!) and
some high end audio gear housed in my living room studio. It has a sixty
percent Cork ceiling, nice carpeting and heavy drapery opposite the
primary speakers to dampen the  sound and
minimize bounce back. 	
	
The magic, if there is any, is in the method I use Michael. However, the
Sony ES DAT decks do produce the sound I want, just as close to the
actual original as I
can make it. I do not enhance anything, no EQ of any kind ever.	
	
Let me know what this fancy analysis of yours shows, but if you want a
urine
sample, forget it! (chuckle)	
	
There is an advantage to being totally blind when doing this custom
recording Michael, as I am never confused by all of those colorful
flashing LED's, meter needles dancing between safe green and dangerous
red color bands, no 'tilt'
lights flashing, no scope patterns to figure out and so forth. I use my
experience, my keen sense of hearing (just monitor speakers, as
headphones bother my ears), familiarity with the music being recorded
and my natural ability to work with both hands at the same time to
achieve split second timing.
Most importantly, one heck of a lot of practice!  	
	
I much prefer the mechanical switches as opposed to the electronic ones.
I can split a note in half with the mechanical ones, but the electronic
ones do not stop where you stop them. They either back up when you
release the 'pause' and clip off themusic prior to wher eyou wanted it
to stop or otherwise insert some kind of delay. Very difficult to work
with. All of my high end audio equipment
uses the mechanical switching, by the way.  	
	
I used to have a Panasonic VHS deck, one of those that were the size of
a microwave! It had mechanical switching and it was fantastic! I could
pause it, wait for a commercial series to end, release the pause and it
started instantly.
Not with what they make today! Overlaps, hesitations, video distortion
for a second and so forth. They may be cheaper and smaller, but they ar
enot
better!	
	
Duane W8DBF	





 ----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 14:46:29 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 14:47:30 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE323@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Dang it Duane, I left the screen shots on my laptop... I'll give you a
full report off list! 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:56 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

And the results of this spectral analysis are? 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 15:12:37 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 15:16:19 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061914.j36JE2d8021030@smtp.usol.com>

Send that turkey up here Michael, i will scorch his feathers with some hot
audio! I have the modern stereo, the vintage stereo and the surround sound
audio. All of which are a collection of old and new, in point of fact. Laser
Disk still rules here!	
	
What was/is your friend using to feed that surround system with? Most people are
ending up with stereo, as they are fooled into thinking they get surround sound
from CDS, DBD, VHS, FM RX etc.	
	
DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:42 PM

I guessed as much, Duane, I was just making too many assumptions there.
I was going to grill you about what sort of mikes, and placement and so
forth. To prove to a friend once that my tube amp sounded better than
his Sony surround sound amp, I miked up my Celestions (the source was
Martin Denny vinyl) at close range using earthworks condensers. The
recording was really good, all things considered, although I didn't
manage to convince my friend of anything. Impressed myself, though. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:54 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Absolutely not! Unless I do a voice over, it is all done direct using
either
optical cables or gold plated coaxial cables.	
	
Should I send you a couple of photos?	
	
DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:25 PM

Duane, You mention the treatment of your listening room. You aren't
trying to say you mike up your monitors and record that..? Or do you? If
so, the results are superb. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:11 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Hey! I am glad you were impressed by the highs, but remember this is not
the RCA Nashville studio! You are listening to my incredible talent
(think I just pulled a groin muscle patting myself on the back!) and
some high end audio gear housed in my living room studio. It has a sixty
percent Cork ceiling, nice carpeting and heavy drapery opposite the
primary speakers to dampen the  sound and
minimize bounce back. 	
	
The magic, if there is any, is in the method I use Michael. However, the
Sony ES DAT decks do produce the sound I want, just as close to the
actual original as I
can make it. I do not enhance anything, no EQ of any kind ever.	
	
Let me know what this fancy analysis of yours shows, but if you want a
urine
sample, forget it! (chuckle)	
	
There is an advantage to being totally blind when doing this custom
recording Michael, as I am never confused by all of those colorful
flashing LED's, meter needles dancing between safe green and dangerous
red color bands, no 'tilt'
lights flashing, no scope patterns to figure out and so forth. I use my
experience, my keen sense of hearing (just monitor speakers, as
headphones bother my ears), familiarity with the music being recorded
and my natural ability to work with both hands at the same time to
achieve split second timing.
Most importantly, one heck of a lot of practice!  	
	
I much prefer the mechanical switches as opposed to the electronic ones.
I can split a note in half with the mechanical ones, but the electronic
ones do not stop where you stop them. They either back up when you
release the 'pause' and clip off themusic prior to wher eyou wanted it
to stop or otherwise insert some kind of delay. Very difficult to work
with. All of my high end audio equipment
uses the mechanical switching, by the way.  	
	
I used to have a Panasonic VHS deck, one of those that were the size of
a microwave! It had mechanical switching and it was fantastic! I could
pause it, wait for a commercial series to end, release the pause and it
started instantly.
Not with what they make today! Overlaps, hesitations, video distortion
for a second and so forth. They may be cheaper and smaller, but they ar
enot
better!	
	
Duane W8DBF	





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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 15:15:11 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 15:18:48 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061916.j36JGcd8021055@smtp.usol.com>

The 'screen shots"? Hmmm. I guess i should not have sent him a copy of David
Rose's classic instrumental hit "The Stripper"! He's found some way to add video
clips to the music! Clever creatures, these Earthlings -	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:46 PM

Dang it Duane, I left the screen shots on my laptop... I'll give you a
full report off list! 

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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:56 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

And the results of this spectral analysis are? 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr  6 15:23:24 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr  6 15:24:32 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301CBE339@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Well, I'm lazy. I could have made notes but, being a computer guy, I
just took screen shots of all the measurements. The modern condition.
The main effect using computers has had on me is my handwriting has gone
from bad to awful because I never write anything down anymore!  

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:15 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

The 'screen shots"? Hmmm. I guess i should not have sent him a copy of
David Rose's classic instrumental hit "The Stripper"! He's found some
way to add video
clips to the music! Clever creatures, these Earthlings -	


----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:46 PM

Dang it Duane, I left the screen shots on my laptop... I'll give you a
full report off list! 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:56 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

And the results of this spectral analysis are? 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

----------
From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr  6 15:36:35 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr  6 15:40:11 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <200504061938.j36Jc2d8021254@smtp.usol.com>

Your handwriting went from bad to worse because you failed to develop good
penmanship skills in the first place, did not get in the habit of taking notes
(mental or written) and faked a knee injury to get out of highschool gym class
so you could catch up on your sleep! Look where it has gotten you dude. You now
can't even make up a decent smoke screen tale to cover up your blunders or
excuse your disorganization by telling a wonderfully creative fib!		
	
We have simply got to get you into therapy Michael, such as Creative Lying 101!	
	
Go and sin some more, but forget that 401K and invest heavily in fireproof Fruit
Of The Looms!
	

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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:23 PM

Well, I'm lazy. I could have made notes but, being a computer guy, I
just took screen shots of all the measurements. The modern condition.
The main effect using computers has had on me is my handwriting has gone
from bad to awful because I never write anything down anymore!  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:15 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

The 'screen shots"? Hmmm. I guess i should not have sent him a copy of
David Rose's classic instrumental hit "The Stripper"! He's found some
way to add video
clips to the music! Clever creatures, these Earthlings -	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:46 PM

Dang it Duane, I left the screen shots on my laptop... I'll give you a
full report off list! 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:56 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

And the results of this spectral analysis are? 

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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:39 AM

Very true, my friend. I'm running a track through spectral analysis as
we speak. Not that that's crucial to the enjoyment, I was so in awe of
the highs that I was curious!

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

Michael, 	
	
You still owe me a review - 

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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:59 AM

 Jim, you lucky, lucky man. What a find!

Let's see, you listen to classical mainly, and the SME 3009 is a fairly
heavy arm (is the ii lighter? Don't remember). You may be stuck looking
for classics such as the Audio Technica AT15S. Any of the various Shure
V15s would be an upgrade from your M70, just make sure the tracking
force range matches your arm's abilities. Old Empires have a very nice
sound too. Some of these models you can luck out and find new styli, but
I'm not sure what availibility is like generally.

As far as modern carts go, they may all track more lightly than the 3009
can manage. I could be dead wrong about that, this is just a guess.

Good luck! Let us know what you finally get and how it sounds!

Michael  

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Welsh
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE

I had a stroke of luck the other day. 

At an otherwise really "junkie" local ham-fest, a Thorens 124 (II)
coupled with an SME 3009 (ii), plus a Dynaco PAS (with Telefunkens in
place) - all for ZAR300 (about US$50). 

The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus messed!
So, I am looking for advice on what to put in its place - not a needle
from my wife's sewing basket. I  mean which cartiridge should I go for?
Reasonably priced but good for my Archive and DGG classical vinyl. 

I have a Shure M70EJ in for the while but I think I can do better.

Any ideas and the names of trusted suppliers would be appreciated. I
would have to do the purchase via the Internet or wait until September
when I head off to the USA.

Jim
Johannesburg
South Africa
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From ma.locksmith at juno.com  Thu Apr  7 09:58:15 2005
From: ma.locksmith at juno.com (ma.locksmith@juno.com)
Date: Thu Apr  7 10:03:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] PICK-UP: SME ARM ON THORENS 124 TURNTABLE
Message-ID: <20050407.095818.-90039663.0.ma.locksmith@juno.com>

First, the apology.  I picked up your last message on another computer
and I'm "remembering" the cartridge number,  ES-70S

This is the least expensive of the Excell (one or two "l", my catalog
says two) varieties.  The stylus is the standard 0.7 mil round and the
Excell number was S-70SR with the Pfanstiehl replacement number of
614-D7.  This stylus tracked from 1 to 2.5 grams, the heaviest of the
three listed.  The list cost (US) of the stylus in 1989 was $20.

There are alternate styli as well for other versions of the ES-70 which
will probably work as well.  The 614-DE is the elliptical cut and the
614-DQ is the one shaped for "Discrete 4 channel".

The cartridge is listed as a "Japanese" source, but no characteristics
are shown.

Ed

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:47:36 +0200 "Welsh" <Jicaru@icon.co.za> writes:
> 
> The SME arm is equipped with an Excel cartridge with its stylus 
> messed! 
From dfischer at usol.com  Tue Apr 12 00:35:10 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Tue Apr 12 00:39:45 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Message-ID: <200504120436.j3C4afd8027162@smtp.usol.com>

Because selling one and then you paying shipping is not cost effective, I will
sell them in lots of five.  	
	
Remember: These are NOS, still sealed and in outstanding condition. They were
stored in temperature controlled rooms with regulated himidity. Both the #207
and #227 are professional grade audio tapes, you can not buy these any longer.		

	
Deduct 20% per reel for a quanity of five. You pay packing/shipping costs. 
	
Maxell ten inch NOS studio quality audio tape.  Number: XL1
35-180B. 3600 feet.  This was their best and it is no longer
being produced! Asking $30 per reel.

Ampex NOS 10 inch back coated, studio quality audio tape.
Catalog number: 373173111. 3600 feet. Asking $25 per reel.
(this is 'not' the tape Ampex had problems with!)

SCOTCH AUDIO TAPE, STUDIO/MILITARY SPEC: TYPE #207. QUARTER INCH R90
SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 FEET. PROFESSIONAL MASTERING. HIGH OUTPUT. LOW
NOISE. SEALED.  ASKING: $11 EACH

Scotch #227 STUDIO/MILITARY spec commercial grade audio tape.
black/gray oxide.  Almost zero high frequency roll off even
at 3 3/4 IPS!  SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 feet.  Still
sealed.  Asking $15 per reel.

Sony 7 inch NOS commercial grade low noise audio tape.  Type
SLH-7-550BL Black/gray oxide.  1800 feet. Hard plastic case.
Asking $10.50 per reel.

Scotch #150 NOS consumer grade 7 inch audio tape.  Ferite
oxide, low noise. 1800 feet. Asking $5.50 per reel.


 
	

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From: kc7hkp@comcast.net
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:07 PM

how much are you asking ?

--
KC7HKP 
George Yazzolino 
14801 NE 20th Circle 
Vancouver, Wa. 98684 
Grid CN-85

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party is 
> interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 foot reel
to 
> reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty close to
it!) 
> grade audio tapes. They are still sealed. 
> 
> Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten each? If
so, 
> please contact me direct. 
> 
> This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the U.S.
Navy 
> for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled 
> environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227 grades.

> 
> I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this superior
audio 
> tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, please send 
> them my way. Thank you. 
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF 
> dfischer@usol.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From dfischer at usol.com  Tue Apr 12 00:59:27 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Tue Apr 12 01:04:08 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Message-ID: <200504120501.j3C516d8027243@smtp.usol.com>

And if you would like proof that I do terrific work, just ask Michael who has
heard my equipment on a CD I made and sent to him.

----------
From: Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF <dfischer@usol.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:35 AM

Because selling one and then you paying shipping is not cost effective, I will
sell them in lots of five.  	
	
Remember: These are NOS, still sealed and in outstanding condition. They were
stored in temperature controlled rooms with regulated himidity. Both the #207
and #227 are professional grade audio tapes, you can not buy these any longer.		

	
Deduct 20% per reel for a quanity of five. You pay packing/shipping costs. 
	
Maxell ten inch NOS studio quality audio tape.  Number: XL1
35-180B. 3600 feet.  This was their best and it is no longer
being produced! Asking $30 per reel.

Ampex NOS 10 inch back coated, studio quality audio tape.
Catalog number: 373173111. 3600 feet. Asking $25 per reel.
(this is 'not' the tape Ampex had problems with!)

SCOTCH AUDIO TAPE, STUDIO/MILITARY SPEC: TYPE #207. QUARTER INCH R90
SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 FEET. PROFESSIONAL MASTERING. HIGH OUTPUT. LOW
NOISE. SEALED.  ASKING: $11 EACH

Scotch #227 STUDIO/MILITARY spec commercial grade audio tape.
black/gray oxide.  Almost zero high frequency roll off even
at 3 3/4 IPS!  SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 feet.  Still
sealed.  Asking $15 per reel.

Sony 7 inch NOS commercial grade low noise audio tape.  Type
SLH-7-550BL Black/gray oxide.  1800 feet. Hard plastic case.
Asking $10.50 per reel.

Scotch #150 NOS consumer grade 7 inch audio tape.  Ferite
oxide, low noise. 1800 feet. Asking $5.50 per reel.


 
	

----------
From: kc7hkp@comcast.net
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:07 PM

how much are you asking ?

--
KC7HKP 
George Yazzolino 
14801 NE 20th Circle 
Vancouver, Wa. 98684 
Grid CN-85

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party is 
> interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 foot reel
to 
> reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty close to
it!) 
> grade audio tapes. They are still sealed. 
> 
> Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten each? If
so, 
> please contact me direct. 
> 
> This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the U.S.
Navy 
> for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled 
> environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227 grades.

> 
> I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this superior
audio 
> tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, please send 
> them my way. Thank you. 
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF 
> dfischer@usol.com 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio 
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF 
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
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From SalmonsM at missouri.edu  Wed Apr 13 13:25:07 2005
From: SalmonsM at missouri.edu (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Wed Apr 13 13:27:21 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Message-ID: <7F5BBA66C483B1489B4B5749609361D301EEE9AC@UM-EMAIL08.um.umsystem.edu>

Absolutely. Very quiet background and great articulation. Duane, on "I
can't get started" (Track one of Honey in the Horn) I found sound as low
as 10 hz and high as 21888! The low end is not an indication of rumble,
that's barely detectable, sonically not even there. The histogram of a
representive slice shows strong presence from 53 hz to 16555 hz, with a
slight trough there, then another solid plateau from 16555 and 18066.
(other sections have nice plateaus as high as 20941). Very balanced, not
exactly flat, but not lacking in any one area either. 

This recording has a great, solid, massive soundstage Duane. On my
Celestions the presence of the artists in the soundfield was palpable.
That room they recorded in must have some great acoustics (or great
treatments). I'm sure they had nothing but the best there though. All in
all very enjoyable. Thanks! I may be hitting you up for other things if
you are game. You mentioned Elvis singing gospel, was it with the
Jordanaires, the guy who could sing so low? I would love to hear some of
that.

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:59 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale

And if you would like proof that I do terrific work, just ask Michael
who has heard my equipment on a CD I made and sent to him.

----------
From: Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF <dfischer@usol.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:35 AM

Because selling one and then you paying shipping is not cost effective,
I will
sell them in lots of five.  	
	
Remember: These are NOS, still sealed and in outstanding condition. They
were stored in temperature controlled rooms with regulated himidity.
Both the #207
and #227 are professional grade audio tapes, you can not buy these any
longer.		

	
Deduct 20% per reel for a quanity of five. You pay packing/shipping
costs. 
	
Maxell ten inch NOS studio quality audio tape.  Number: XL1 35-180B.
3600 feet.  This was their best and it is no longer being produced!
Asking $30 per reel.

Ampex NOS 10 inch back coated, studio quality audio tape.
Catalog number: 373173111. 3600 feet. Asking $25 per reel.
(this is 'not' the tape Ampex had problems with!)

SCOTCH AUDIO TAPE, STUDIO/MILITARY SPEC: TYPE #207. QUARTER INCH R90
SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 FEET. PROFESSIONAL MASTERING. HIGH OUTPUT.
LOW NOISE. SEALED.  ASKING: $11 EACH

Scotch #227 STUDIO/MILITARY spec commercial grade audio tape.
black/gray oxide.  Almost zero high frequency roll off even at 3 3/4
IPS!  SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 feet.  Still sealed.  Asking $15 per
reel.

Sony 7 inch NOS commercial grade low noise audio tape.  Type SLH-7-550BL
Black/gray oxide.  1800 feet. Hard plastic case.
Asking $10.50 per reel.

Scotch #150 NOS consumer grade 7 inch audio tape.  Ferite oxide, low
noise. 1800 feet. Asking $5.50 per reel.


 
	

----------
From: kc7hkp@comcast.net
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:07 PM

how much are you asking ?

--
KC7HKP
George Yazzolino
14801 NE 20th Circle
Vancouver, Wa. 98684
Grid CN-85

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party

> is interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 
> foot reel
to 
> reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty 
> close to
it!) 
> grade audio tapes. They are still sealed. 
> 
> Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten 
> each? If
so, 
> please contact me direct. 
> 
> This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the
U.S.
Navy 
> for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled 
> environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227
grades.

> 
> I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this 
> superior
audio 
> tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, 
> please send them my way. Thank you.
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> dfischer@usol.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr 13 13:58:18 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr 13 14:03:22 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Message-ID: <200504131759.j3DHxsd8016105@smtp.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
Elvis Presley does have some with the Jordanaires backing him up, but the last
seven years of his life the southern gospel group known as the "Stamps" with
J.D. Sumner, the lowest bass singer in the world, backed him up. Now Bob, W9RAN,
told us some time back that two guys have hit notes lower than J.D. Did.
However, the difference is that somehow J.D. managed to actually sing at, and
below, a documented 32 Hz! I have the "Blessed Assurance" recording where he hit
the documented 32Hz that first got him into the Ginnis book. You feel the note,
not hear it. Imet him numerous times and was quite a character. Sadly we lost
him three years back and he had no sons, just two daughters.	
	
What you heard on the CD of Al Hirt, Michael, was my original December 1964
album with probably a hundred plays on it! it still sounds as good as you heard.
Truly amazing.	
	
However, I did find another copy and bought it, just in case! 	
	
I have now recorded all four of the albums Al Hirt did at the RCA studio in
Nashville, TN on CD; Honey In The Horn, Cotton Candy, Sugar Lips and That Honey
Horn Sound. There are two versions of Cotton Candy, I discovered! I bought it on
CD only to find out it was not the same album! So save your money on that one.  

	
I either have, or can produce, nearly anything you want Michael, so ask away. 	
	
FYI: The average time I spend in reproducing a vinyl album onto DAT is five
hours and then from DAT it goes onto the master CD one track at a time. Another
hour, if I do not make a mistake!	
	
Thank you for the analysis Michael, fascinating.  I also appreciate your kind
words as to the work that I did.	
	
I m especially interested in how the frequency looked from 200 Hz down and from
3500-4500 Hz. I have a hearing loss in the left ear in the 4 KHz +/- range due
to a cordless phone malfunctioning and ringing while I had it pressed against my
left ear talking. Did nerve damage and I do not hear that range anymore.  	
	
Duane W8DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:25 PM

Absolutely. Very quiet background and great articulation. Duane, on "I
can't get started" (Track one of Honey in the Horn) I found sound as low
as 10 hz and high as 21888! The low end is not an indication of rumble,
that's barely detectable, sonically not even there. The histogram of a
representive slice shows strong presence from 53 hz to 16555 hz, with a
slight trough there, then another solid plateau from 16555 and 18066.
(other sections have nice plateaus as high as 20941). Very balanced, not
exactly flat, but not lacking in any one area either. 

This recording has a great, solid, massive soundstage Duane. On my
Celestions the presence of the artists in the soundfield was palpable.
That room they recorded in must have some great acoustics (or great
treatments). I'm sure they had nothing but the best there though. All in
all very enjoyable. Thanks! I may be hitting you up for other things if
you are game. You mentioned Elvis singing gospel, was it with the
Jordanaires, the guy who could sing so low? I would love to hear some of
that.

Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:vintage-audio-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duane B.
Fischer, W8DBF
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:59 PM
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale

And if you would like proof that I do terrific work, just ask Michael
who has heard my equipment on a CD I made and sent to him.

----------
From: Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF <dfischer@usol.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:35 AM

Because selling one and then you paying shipping is not cost effective,
I will
sell them in lots of five.  	
	
Remember: These are NOS, still sealed and in outstanding condition. They
were stored in temperature controlled rooms with regulated himidity.
Both the #207
and #227 are professional grade audio tapes, you can not buy these any
longer.		

	
Deduct 20% per reel for a quanity of five. You pay packing/shipping
costs. 
	
Maxell ten inch NOS studio quality audio tape.  Number: XL1 35-180B.
3600 feet.  This was their best and it is no longer being produced!
Asking $30 per reel.

Ampex NOS 10 inch back coated, studio quality audio tape.
Catalog number: 373173111. 3600 feet. Asking $25 per reel.
(this is 'not' the tape Ampex had problems with!)

SCOTCH AUDIO TAPE, STUDIO/MILITARY SPEC: TYPE #207. QUARTER INCH R90
SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 FEET. PROFESSIONAL MASTERING. HIGH OUTPUT.
LOW NOISE. SEALED.  ASKING: $11 EACH

Scotch #227 STUDIO/MILITARY spec commercial grade audio tape.
black/gray oxide.  Almost zero high frequency roll off even at 3 3/4
IPS!  SEVEN INCH REEL, 1 MIL, 1800 feet.  Still sealed.  Asking $15 per
reel.

Sony 7 inch NOS commercial grade low noise audio tape.  Type SLH-7-550BL
Black/gray oxide.  1800 feet. Hard plastic case.
Asking $10.50 per reel.

Scotch #150 NOS consumer grade 7 inch audio tape.  Ferite oxide, low
noise. 1800 feet. Asking $5.50 per reel.


 
	

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From: kc7hkp@comcast.net
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
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Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Studio Grade Tapes For Sale
Date: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:07 PM

how much are you asking ?

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> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have an opportunity to sell my reel to reel decks, but niether party

> is interested in the NOS Scotch #207 and #227 seven inch, 1 mil, 1800 
> foot reel
to 
> reel tapes. These are commercial grade, studio quality (or mighty 
> close to
it!) 
> grade audio tapes. They are still sealed. 
> 
> Are any of you interested in purchasing them in lots of five or ten 
> each? If
so, 
> please contact me direct. 
> 
> This is not cheap tape! In fact, the Scotch #227 was purchased by the
U.S.
Navy 
> for their equipment and kept in temperature and humidity controlled 
> environments. you can not buy better tape than either the #207 or #227
grades.

> 
> I have decided to not sell my reel to reel decks as long as this 
> superior
audio 
> tape remains here. If you know of people who would be interested, 
> please send them my way. Thank you.
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> dfischer@usol.com
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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sat Apr 16 14:26:57 2005
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sat Apr 16 14:30:52 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <426158F1.6010000@oneradio.net>

A photo from a fellow radio nut's workshop included a homebrew speaker 
with a unique feature - an exponential-curved front piece that was 
distinctive, but the name of the design eluded me.  After a half hour 
spent thumbing through enough old hi-fi magazines I finally found it:  
Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found mis-named it "Karlton" but 
my memory-like-an-elephant buddy Fred Olsen correctly caught the 
error).    The Karlson Company sold assembled speakers, and also plans 
for do-it-yourself builders as the design is simple and easily 
replicated.  The Karlson speaker uses a single 12 or 15" driver and 
claims full-range reproduction, although some of the speakers shown on 
the Gallery page have added mids and tweeters.

Ever since finding the ads for Karlson plans in old radio magazines I've 
been intrigued by them and one day I want to make one and give it a 
listen.   Information and an active forum of Karlson fans can be found 
at   http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/   With it's patetended "jet age" 
design, the Karlson says "1950s" like no other speaker I know of!

But what really surprised me was to learn that a certain outspoken ham 
radio editor from that era was Vice President (and chief huckster) for 
the Karlson Company:
http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/wayne.gif    Regardless of how good 
the speaker was or wasn't, after reading Wayne Green's ad copy who could 
resist?   If his claim of shipping 1400 per month is right there ought 
to be a few of the factory-built jobs still around.  Has anyone seen, 
owned, or built a Karlson?  And what can you tell us about it?

73, Bob W9RAN




From fwolsen at wi.rr.com  Sat Apr 16 16:26:07 2005
From: fwolsen at wi.rr.com (Fred Olsen)
Date: Sat Apr 16 16:29:57 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Karlson Speaker
In-Reply-To: <426158F1.6010000@oneradio.net>
References: <426158F1.6010000@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <426174DF.4030104@wi.rr.com>

Robert Nickels wrote:
> Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found mis-named it "Karlton" but 
> my memory-like-an-elephant buddy Fred Olsen correctly caught the 
> error).

Just don't substitute "girth" for "memory".

mind full of useless things Fred
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Apr 16 18:18:34 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 16 18:31:09 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <200504162227.j3GMRGd8026213@smtp.usol.com>

Think of it as built low and wide for speed and stability.

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From: Fred Olsen <fwolsen@wi.rr.com>
To: Vintage audio <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Karlson Speaker
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:26 PM

Robert Nickels wrote:
> Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found mis-named it "Karlton" but 
> my memory-like-an-elephant buddy Fred Olsen correctly caught the 
> error).

Just don't substitute "girth" for "memory".

mind full of useless things Fred
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Apr 16 19:35:52 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 16 19:42:32 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <200504162338.j3GNccd8026670@smtp.usol.com>

I am here to let you know, that if anyone on this third rock from that gas
belching, flame hurling, very huge microwave that keeps us from becoming
celestial ice cubes, can find a one or two of a kind, nearly never heard of or
incredible prototype item, it is Robert, W9RAN. He is really something else!
Even better is the little known fact, or used to be until I let the vacuum out
of the old tube, it is probably lurking somewhere in his personal warehouse, AKA
basement. 	
	
Over the years I have learned much from Bob. He is a walking information vault
and almost always knows what he is talking about. I still do not believe that
anybody can 'sing' lower than the late J.D. Sumner, Robert! (chuckle) Maybe
growl or make those armpit sounds, but sing at 9 Hz? If anyone can hit a note
like that, a human could not hear it anyhow, as it is well below the hearing
range of the very young, let alone us who are on the high side of fifty!  	
	
I heard J.D. Sumner sing with the Blackwood Brothers quartet and later his own
group, the Stamps Quartet, southern gospel, on many occasions over the decades.
Because I am an entertainer, but a professional Magician/Illusionist and not a
musician or vocalist, our paths crossed every few years somewhere. If you never
heard him hit one of those patented bass notes, you missed something that is
beyond comprehension. You had to be there to even begin to comprehend what this
sounds, or feels, like. 	
	
I know that he was accused many times of electronic fakery, but then these
people making the claims were just jealous bass singers who sounded like a first
tenor compared to J.D.! They were still in diapers when J.D. was belting out
those 32 Hz notes fifty years ago when the technology did not exist to fake it!	
	
he was 100% for real. I got to know him fairly well over the decades and had the
opportunity to talk with the other guys who sang with him. Such as Richard S.,
the bass singer for the Oakridge Boys (who were originally Ssouthern Gospel but
crossed over to Country around 1970). In fact, in 1972, I think, J.D. was told
by doctors that he had to retire as they could not surgically repair his vocal
cords if he tore one again. He hired young Richard to be his replacement in the
Stamps. Now the last seven years of Elvis Presley's life, J.D. and the Stamps
sang back up for him, along with other groups. You may have heard them when
Elvis did the famous Aloha broadcast from hawaii in 1972. I have the original
recording from the night before program that was not broadcast around the globe.
it is available on Cd and is called the Alternate Aloha. J.D. hit one of his
patented dropping right off the piano keyboard range notes at the end of one
song Elvis did and about shook the building down! You can hear the place
resonate, literally.	
	
Elvis was really upset about J.D. retiring. Elvis was a great Southern Gospel
fan, actually quite religious in his heart, even if he did not show it outwardly
some of the time. He often sneaked into Southern Gospel concerts to try and hear
a group without being bothered by fans or stage hands or somebody. he just
wanted to listen, but when you are somebody like Elvis, that is almost not
possible. As some of you know, Elvis recorded a number of religious albums over
the years, some with the Jordanaires and some with the Stamps in the seventies.	
	
Elvis managed to talk J.D. Sumner into not retiring. This left Richard without a
job, of course. J.D., being a first class guy, along with vocalist - song writer
- showman, got Richard the job with the Oakridge Boys. richard has done well and
the rest is history.	
	
I have one album where Richard and J.D. sing together as Richard was learning
his slot with the Stamps. I can make you a copy if you would like one. Really
wild hearing a young Richard with J.D. who was in his late forties. 	
	
I laughed when i was in Pontiac, MI in 1992 at a concert where the Stamps and
the Heartland Boys, a group my stage manager, Deo Young, sang bass for, when
J.D. was telling how people kept asking him where ever he went, year after year
after year, if Elvis was really dead? I am sure you have all heard the various
rumors which will never stop. Elvis presley is, and shall always be, a legend!
J.D. said "I know he is dead. Trust me! I was there when they had the funeral
and helped carry that coffin that weighed as much as his gold Cadillac! All
those people who thought they saw beads of sweat on his forehead as they passed
by his coffin, well it was hot and his makeup started to melt! It wasn't sweat!"
	
	
Now Robert, you need to find a pair of those thirty inch woofers they used to
make in the sixties and add them to the bottom end of your audio system. The
reason those juke boxes we used to hear thumped was that big old eighteen inch
woofer some of them ran. I have been told, and I do 'not' know this to be a
fact, that those juke boxes ran a considerable amount of power, some as much as,
maybe more than 100 watts RMS. Any truth to this?	
	
Imagine J.D. Sumner hitting some of those notes through a pair of those thirty
inch woofers, along with the rest of the speaker system, and rattling the
fillings right out of your teeth! 	
	
Sorry Robert, you just triggered some memories for me and I had to share a few.
i really miss old J.D. Sumner. By the way, he died as I think he wanted to, on
tour in Florida, during the night while asleep. 	
	
DBF	





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From: Robert Nickels <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:26 PM

A photo from a fellow radio nut's workshop included a homebrew speaker 
with a unique feature - an exponential-curved front piece that was 
distinctive, but the name of the design eluded me.  After a half hour 
spent thumbing through enough old hi-fi magazines I finally found it:  
Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found mis-named it "Karlton" but 
my memory-like-an-elephant buddy Fred Olsen correctly caught the 
error).    The Karlson Company sold assembled speakers, and also plans 
for do-it-yourself builders as the design is simple and easily 
replicated.  The Karlson speaker uses a single 12 or 15" driver and 
claims full-range reproduction, although some of the speakers shown on 
the Gallery page have added mids and tweeters.

Ever since finding the ads for Karlson plans in old radio magazines I've 
been intrigued by them and one day I want to make one and give it a 
listen.   Information and an active forum of Karlson fans can be found 
at   http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/   With it's patetended "jet age" 
design, the Karlson says "1950s" like no other speaker I know of!

But what really surprised me was to learn that a certain outspoken ham 
radio editor from that era was Vice President (and chief huckster) for 
the Karlson Company:
http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/wayne.gif    Regardless of how good 
the speaker was or wasn't, after reading Wayne Green's ad copy who could 
resist?   If his claim of shipping 1400 per month is right there ought 
to be a few of the factory-built jobs still around.  Has anyone seen, 
owned, or built a Karlson?  And what can you tell us about it?

73, Bob W9RAN




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From wolfbob at csnsys.com  Sat Apr 16 20:40:42 2005
From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob)
Date: Sat Apr 16 20:44:37 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
References: <426158F1.6010000@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <001501c542e6$1688e9f0$0202a8c0@bobgk3l43zyuqn>

I cant find them at the moment,  but plans for a 12 inch and 
15 inch Karlson are on the internet somewhere. I really 
contemplated buliding a pair, but...

WBob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker


>A photo from a fellow radio nut's workshop included a 
>homebrew speaker with a unique feature - an 
>exponential-curved front piece that was distinctive, but 
>the name of the design eluded me.  After a half hour spent 
>thumbing through enough old hi-fi magazines I finally found 
>it:  Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found 
>mis-named it "Karlton" but my memory-like-an-elephant buddy 
>Fred Olsen correctly caught the error).    The Karlson 
>Company sold assembled speakers, and also plans for 
>do-it-yourself builders as the design is simple and easily 
>replicated.  The Karlson speaker uses a single 12 or 15" 
>driver and claims full-range reproduction, although some of 
>the speakers shown on the Gallery page have added mids and 
>tweeters.
>
> Ever since finding the ads for Karlson plans in old radio 
> magazines I've been intrigued by them and one day I want 
> to make one and give it a listen.   Information and an 
> active forum of Karlson fans can be found at 
> http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/   With it's patetended "jet 
> age" design, the Karlson says "1950s" like no other 
> speaker I know of!
>
> But what really surprised me was to learn that a certain 
> outspoken ham radio editor from that era was Vice 
> President (and chief huckster) for the Karlson Company:
> http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/wayne.gif 
> Regardless of how good the speaker was or wasn't, after 
> reading Wayne Green's ad copy who could resist?   If his 
> claim of shipping 1400 per month is right there ought to 
> be a few of the factory-built jobs still around.  Has 
> anyone seen, owned, or built a Karlson?  And what can you 
> tell us about it?
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
>
>
>
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From dfischer at usol.com  Sat Apr 16 21:39:25 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 16 21:45:05 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <200504170141.j3H1fBd8027412@smtp.usol.com>

Now there would be some sweet sound! Infinite baffle, bass reflex or folded
horn? 

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From: wolfbob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:40 PM

I cant find them at the moment,  but plans for a 12 inch and 
15 inch Karlson are on the internet somewhere. I really 
contemplated buliding a pair, but...

WBob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker


>A photo from a fellow radio nut's workshop included a 
>homebrew speaker with a unique feature - an 
>exponential-curved front piece that was distinctive, but 
>the name of the design eluded me.  After a half hour spent 
>thumbing through enough old hi-fi magazines I finally found 
>it:  Karlson.  (Actually the article I first found 
>mis-named it "Karlton" but my memory-like-an-elephant buddy 
>Fred Olsen correctly caught the error).    The Karlson 
>Company sold assembled speakers, and also plans for 
>do-it-yourself builders as the design is simple and easily 
>replicated.  The Karlson speaker uses a single 12 or 15" 
>driver and claims full-range reproduction, although some of 
>the speakers shown on the Gallery page have added mids and 
>tweeters.
>
> Ever since finding the ads for Karlson plans in old radio 
> magazines I've been intrigued by them and one day I want 
> to make one and give it a listen.   Information and an 
> active forum of Karlson fans can be found at 
> http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/   With it's patetended "jet 
> age" design, the Karlson says "1950s" like no other 
> speaker I know of!
>
> But what really surprised me was to learn that a certain 
> outspoken ham radio editor from that era was Vice 
> President (and chief huckster) for the Karlson Company:
> http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/wayne.gif 
> Regardless of how good the speaker was or wasn't, after 
> reading Wayne Green's ad copy who could resist?   If his 
> claim of shipping 1400 per month is right there ought to 
> be a few of the factory-built jobs still around.  Has 
> anyone seen, owned, or built a Karlson?  And what can you 
> tell us about it?
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
>
>
>
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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sat Apr 16 23:36:35 2005
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sat Apr 16 23:40:31 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
In-Reply-To: <200504170141.j3H1fBd8027412@smtp.usol.com>
References: <200504170141.j3H1fBd8027412@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <4261D9C3.9050309@oneradio.net>

Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>Now there would be some sweet sound! Infinite baffle, bass reflex or folded
>horn? 
>  
>
Duane, the Karlson webpage contains a description  of  the theory that 
is taken from an article in Sept. 1952 Audio Engineering magazine that 
I've edited a bit to improve clarity.  I know you're pretty good at 
visualizing things without the drawings that accompany this text so I 
hope this helps answer your question.   To get a mental picture of a 
Karlson, imagine a 12 or 15" wide-range speaker mounted to a baffle 
board in the bottom of a 34" tall by 20" wide 3/4" thick plywood 
enclosure, tilted back at about a 30 degree angle.   But instead of a 
solid front covered with grille cloth, the Karlson has a 3/4" plywood 
baffle on the front  that has been cut in what looks like an inverted 
vee.   In fact the angle of the vee follows an exponential cuve, and 
this is what makes it unique   With this image in mind, hopefully the 
rest of the description makes sense:

The Karlson may be called a broadband-resonator; the resonator in the 
design is an air column (a pipe that is closed on one end like a pipe 
organ or pop bottle).  Closed pipes however have a nasty habit - they 
not only resonate on a fundamental frequency, but also on the odd 
harmonics of this frequency. (A speaker attached to a closed-pipe 
resonator would show objectionable peaks in the response curve.)

At frequencies of which the column length equals half the wavelength or 
a multitude of that, the reflection at the open end of the pipe is out 
of phase, causing an acoustic short circuit and sound cancellation.   
But if we cut a slot down the open end of the pipe, then the effect is 
that the pipe doesn't have a distinct length anymore, causing the peaks 
at odd harmonics to widen.   If we make the cut stretch up to 2/3 of the 
pipe, and make the cut exponential in width, the peaks broaden and 
overlap so much that a broadband relatively flat response results.   .
 
The "pipe" in the Karlson design is created by tilting the driver at an 
angle so part of the sound energy is directed upwards into a dead space 
in the cabinet.  The front surface of the enclosure forms one wall of 
the pipe, and is cut with an exponential curve.   It is claimed that the 
tapered opening "broadly fans the listening area uniformly and 
eliminates the stridency and racuous qualities associated with high 
freqency "beaming".    Karlson also claims "in the bass region such 
loading also provides an exceptional range and dynamic output".
 
In looking over the gallery I see guys have implemented the concept more 
literally, putting the driver at  one end of a 12" diameter  Sonotube 
concrete form tube, and cutting the exponential opening down one side of 
the tube wall.   It would be really interesting to see how this simple 
looking concept actually works!  John Karlson obtained US Patent No. 
2,816,619 for his speaker design and made a point of warning would-be 
copycats in his articles.   You have to wonder if like Edwin Armstrong 
and other inventors he may have spent more energy protecting his design 
than in making money from it, since the Karlson Company doesn't seem to 
have survived into the 1960's.

73, Bob W9RAN

From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sun Apr 17 00:23:08 2005
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sun Apr 17 00:27:03 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
In-Reply-To: <200504162338.j3GNccd8026670@smtp.usol.com>
References: <200504162338.j3GNccd8026670@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <4261E4AC.5070509@oneradio.net>

Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>I am here to let you know, that if anyone on this third rock from that gas
>belching, flame hurling, very huge microwave that keeps us from becoming
>celestial ice cubes, can find a one or two of a kind, nearly never heard of or
>incredible prototype item, it is Robert, W9RAN. 
>

Duane waxes so elegant he's going to slip and fall in it! (Or something!)

Seriously as Duane knows I'm as big a fan of JD Sumner as he is, 
although nowhere near as well versed, and a real "JD-come-lately", since 
back when he was recording tunes like "Way Down" with Elvis I wouldn't 
have been caught dead listening to any music where you could actually 
understand the lyrics.. My how our tastes change over time!

I used to work with another JD fan who told me about the Branson male 
quartet "Pierce Arrow" that featured Dan Britton, who was in the 
Guinness Book of World Records for nearly 20 years as the world's lowest 
bass singer. But there will never be another quite like JD Sumner. It's 
one thing to hit a low note, but JD could actually sing "down there" and 
if you have never heard one of his spoken word recordings, you've missed 
a treat.

A liocal radio station features an hour-long Southern Gospel program I 
had never really listened to Southern Gospel music before but have 
become hooked, there are some really great singers, and occasionally - 
JD Sumner will come on just to test my speakers. This program is hosted 
by Elmer Childress, who played piano with the Stamps Quartet back in the 
late 40's or early 50's - a short time before JD Sumner took over the 
Stamps from the Blackwoods in 1954 and turned it into the more 
professional gospel quartet ever. Elmer has been doing gospel music for 
over 50 years and you learn a little history, like the fact that V.O. 
Stamps established the V.O. Stamps Music Company in Jacksonville, TX way 
back in 1924, and also a "Stamps Music School" which wasn?t actually a 
building but was a clinic taken to various towns to demonstrate the 
shape note system.

But that's a whole 'nuther topic...anyhow if you like gospel you can 
hear the program streamed at www.wekz.com every Sunday morning starting 
at 7am central.

73 Bob W9RAN





From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Apr 17 00:49:30 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Apr 17 00:55:04 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <200504170451.j3H4p7d8028363@smtp.usol.com>

Bob, 	
	
Where can I get a recording by 'Pierce Arrow'? I have never heard that name
mentioned before, other than as a car. 	
	
i assume this group was exclusively heard on stage only in Branson? There is no
way they could have captured the bass singer's range on cassette recordings, so
I am hoping they cut some vinyl or were remastered onto a CD?	
	
Yes indeed, hearing some of J.D.'s spoken recordings is beyond description. They
are even more impressive when you hear it live and the entire building shakes!
When somebody who has never heard that voice does for the first time some pretty
funny remarks burst forth!  	
	
Bob, did you ever hear the song called "Little Pablo" where J.D. does not sing,
he pretends he is the bass guitar! It is pretty amazing to hear a human sound
like a bass guitar, only J.D.! The man had a sense of humor and audiences loved
him, as they never knew what he was apt to do next. 	
	
DBF	


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From: Robert Nickels <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:23 AM

Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>I am here to let you know, that if anyone on this third rock from that gas
>belching, flame hurling, very huge microwave that keeps us from becoming
>celestial ice cubes, can find a one or two of a kind, nearly never heard of or
>incredible prototype item, it is Robert, W9RAN. 
>

Duane waxes so elegant he's going to slip and fall in it! (Or something!)

Seriously as Duane knows I'm as big a fan of JD Sumner as he is, 
although nowhere near as well versed, and a real "JD-come-lately", since 
back when he was recording tunes like "Way Down" with Elvis I wouldn't 
have been caught dead listening to any music where you could actually 
understand the lyrics.. My how our tastes change over time!

I used to work with another JD fan who told me about the Branson male 
quartet "Pierce Arrow" that featured Dan Britton, who was in the 
Guinness Book of World Records for nearly 20 years as the world's lowest 
bass singer. But there will never be another quite like JD Sumner. It's 
one thing to hit a low note, but JD could actually sing "down there" and 
if you have never heard one of his spoken word recordings, you've missed 
a treat.

A liocal radio station features an hour-long Southern Gospel program I 
had never really listened to Southern Gospel music before but have 
become hooked, there are some really great singers, and occasionally - 
JD Sumner will come on just to test my speakers. This program is hosted 
by Elmer Childress, who played piano with the Stamps Quartet back in the 
late 40's or early 50's - a short time before JD Sumner took over the 
Stamps from the Blackwoods in 1954 and turned it into the more 
professional gospel quartet ever. Elmer has been doing gospel music for 
over 50 years and you learn a little history, like the fact that V.O. 
Stamps established the V.O. Stamps Music Company in Jacksonville, TX way 
back in 1924, and also a "Stamps Music School" which wasn’t actually a 
building but was a clinic taken to various towns to demonstrate the 
shape note system.

But that's a whole 'nuther topic...anyhow if you like gospel you can 
hear the program streamed at www.wekz.com every Sunday morning starting 
at 7am central.

73 Bob W9RAN





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From w9ran at oneradio.net  Sun Apr 17 10:31:15 2005
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sun Apr 17 10:35:19 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
In-Reply-To: <200504170451.j3H4p7d8028363@smtp.usol.com>
References: <200504170451.j3H4p7d8028363@smtp.usol.com>
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Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>Bob, 	
>	
>Where can I get a recording by 'Pierce Arrow'? I have never heard that name
>mentioned before, other than as a car. 	
>	
>
Duane,
I'd even listen to JD Sumner impersonating a frog, but I don't want to 
go there! I haven't heard the recording you mention but can imagine his 
bass sound is probably fuller than a standup bass!

I also would like to hear some of Pierce Arrow, based on their website 
it's a pretty hot vocal group but I'm just not a Branson kind of guy. 
Maybe someone is and can give us a real report. They do have a number of 
CDs and DVDs for sale, some of which look like complete shows and the 
selections do sound like they'd really showcase a wide range of 
vocalists. Your best bet would be to give them a call at: 417-336-8742 - 
Toll Free: 877-687-4241 or email info@piercearrowtheater.com 
<mailto:info@piercearrowtheater.com> and ask them which ones feature Dan 
Britton. I'm sure they'll recommend the CD called "So Low" which is 
listed, and includes the songs: In The Garden, King Of The Road, Pieces 
Of His Heart, My Old World, That?s All I Need To Know, Jesus And John, 
Dream On, Sixteen Tons, It?s Never The Right Time, and Good Time 
Charlie?s Got The Blues. May have to check this out myself.

Now if we can find a way to hear Dan or JD's voice through a Karlson 
speaker we ought to have a true indication of it's bass reproduction 
characteristics!*
*
73, Bob W9RAN
From dfischer at usol.com  Sun Apr 17 11:26:15 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Apr 17 11:31:55 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Message-ID: <200504171527.j3HFRqd8002678@smtp.usol.com>

Bob, 	
	
Hmmm. Based on those song titles off the "So Low" album, most is not Southern
Gospel, or even Gospel, more lie country an Country Rock. Figures, after all, it
is Las Vegas in MO! (LOL)	
	
I've got plenty of J.D. Sumner, and some other bass singers who could get flat
down there, such as Bob Thacker. Now I mean sing down there, not growl! You
provide the Carlson's and we are ready to rumble, literally! How's your
earthquake insurance Robert?  	
	
Thank you for the telephone numbers, I will see what I can purchase and let you
know how it shakes out. maybe even send you some tantalizing samples just to get
you juices jumping in the morning time Bob. 	
	
I remember being at Flint's IMA auditorium, before they tore it apart for the
world's biggest financial flop called Auto World. They had an evening that
featured four quartets that would hit town about twice per year. J.D. was still
singing with the Blackwood Bros. at this time in 1968. When they stepped up to
the mikes the sound people cut the audio about half way through the opening song
when J.D. hit a warming up low note and darn near brought the roof down! I
remember i was drinking a Coke in a paper cup and could feel it vibrating in my
hand! That resonance his voice could generate would literally make a building
shake. It was unreal.	
	
Because of friends who sing professionally, I got back stage a lot. Once when in
an auditorium out of Michigan Several who could see the sound equipment
commented that the EQ was set flat for J.D. He did not need any help!     	
	
One amazing thing about his voice, was that he could actually sing well above
the second bass range, almost to second tenor, in fact. He had a tremendous
range.	
	
DBF	


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From: Robert Nickels <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Karlson Speaker
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:31 AM

Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>Bob, 	
>	
>Where can I get a recording by 'Pierce Arrow'? I have never heard that name
>mentioned before, other than as a car. 	
>	
>
Duane,
I'd even listen to JD Sumner impersonating a frog, but I don't want to 
go there! I haven't heard the recording you mention but can imagine his 
bass sound is probably fuller than a standup bass!

I also would like to hear some of Pierce Arrow, based on their website 
it's a pretty hot vocal group but I'm just not a Branson kind of guy. 
Maybe someone is and can give us a real report. They do have a number of 
CDs and DVDs for sale, some of which look like complete shows and the 
selections do sound like they'd really showcase a wide range of 
vocalists. Your best bet would be to give them a call at: 417-336-8742 - 
Toll Free: 877-687-4241 or email info@piercearrowtheater.com 
<mailto:info@piercearrowtheater.com> and ask them which ones feature Dan 
Britton. I'm sure they'll recommend the CD called "So Low" which is 
listed, and includes the songs: In The Garden, King Of The Road, Pieces 
Of His Heart, My Old World, That’s All I Need To Know, Jesus And John, 
Dream On, Sixteen Tons, It’s Never The Right Time, and Good Time 
Charlie’s Got The Blues. May have to check this out myself.

Now if we can find a way to hear Dan or JD's voice through a Karlson 
speaker we ought to have a true indication of it's bass reproduction 
characteristics!*
*
73, Bob W9RAN
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From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Apr 18 22:34:40 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Apr 18 22:40:35 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Jukeboxes, Remember Them?
Message-ID: <200504190236.j3J2aKd8024971@smtp.usol.com>


	
Knock off the snoring guys, it is loud enough to set off motion sensors in the
next county! I have a few questions, so wake up and get with the program!	
	
Remember those wonderful sounding, generally quite attractive, chrome - gleaming
glass - flashing colored lights - jukeboxes that just psychologically begged you
to deposit your last quarter into their outstretched coin slot? I think they
typically held a hundred 45 rpm singles. They were generally changed every week,
or was it two weeks? 	
	
Now I am sure that some of you probably worked in a burger joint, maybe a bar,
or some other place that had a jukebox. I will bet that when nobody was looking,
you got into it and checked out what was inside, right?	
	
What did they typically use for speakers? How about crossovers? What kind of
continuous RMS audio output power did the amp with what, 6L6 tubes, generate?	
	
Some jukeboxes used an eighteen inch woofer to create that bass rumble that
mixed the malted milks when the blender was not working! I think some others
used combinations of twelve inch, eight inch and a tweeter mix.	
	
Enlighten me guys, how much power did they punch out?	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	

From w9ran at oneradio.net  Tue Apr 19 00:18:56 2005
From: w9ran at oneradio.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Tue Apr 19 00:23:12 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Jukeboxes, Remember Them?
In-Reply-To: <200504190236.j3J2aKd8024971@smtp.usol.com>
References: <200504190236.j3J2aKd8024971@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <426486B0.7010509@oneradio.net>

Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

>Enlighten me guys, how much power did they punch out?	
>	
>  
>
I inherited a pair of Wurlitzer juke amps back in high school which were 
pressed into service as guitar and PA amps most of the time for me and 
my hoodlum friends.  May still have 'em stashed somewhere, the poor 
things certainly took their share of abuse!   Ran a pair of 6L6's - 
that's an honest 30 watts and into a jukebox speaker in a more-less 
infinite baffle enclosure, more than enough to rattle the windows.

73, Bob W9RAN

From Jicaru at icon.co.za  Wed Apr 20 16:16:07 2005
From: Jicaru at icon.co.za (Welsh)
Date: Wed Apr 20 16:20:48 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] THORENS AND SME - THE LATEST
Message-ID: <008d01c545e5$dbc3d980$bd2f1cc4@co.za>

Hi

To all those who assisted me in my refurbishing the Thorens 124 and SME 3009 that I found recently at a hamfest - many thanks. In additon to the practical and useful assistance I received from members, I also found a wealth of information and service sheets for the Thorens and SME on the web. Sharing is the name of the game.

The cartridge is a Shure M75 which I discovered I had in the cupboard - brand new, bought about 20 years ago. Still salivate at the mention of a Shure V15 though.

New plinth, new oil in the motor, refreshed main spindle bearings (cleaned and oiled), silver solder on all audio frequency joints, decent coax to take the signal to the pre-amp. Some Turtle Wax on the body parts - not a scratch in sight. Calibrated the speed using the strobe - careful adjustments to the magnetic clutch. Now 33 and 1/3 rpm exactly.

The turntable and arm are now partnered by my Dynaco PAS2 (with the van Alstine power supply mod - built from a web-based magazine article that I see has recently disappeared!), and the amplifier is a pair of Quad IIs that I rebuilt: gold-plated RCA plugs, switches, etc, superb Groove Tubes KT66s, Mullard EF86s, etc. No new holes and all changes can be 100% reversed back to the old Bulgins, etc. The speakers are a pair of Wharfdale 505s - made in the homeland, not out east as their later cousins now are.

By the way, I have an eastern sourced pair of Wharfdales for my DVD system using a Dynaco ST35 and homebrew prepamplifer built as per AudioNote's M7.). Carol King, Allison Krauss and Dixie Chicks - what a blast.

Sweet music - sometimes very loud - keeps the neighbours in control, or deaf!

Sweet is the sound of Nathan Milstein playing Beethoven's violin concerto on the Thorens.

Goodbye Sony direct-drive.

Thanks for the great site and all the encouragement that one gets: directly and indirectly when one reads about others having as much fun as I am.

Cheers

Jim
Johannesburg
From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr 20 17:18:49 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr 20 17:25:09 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] THORENS AND SME - THE LATEST
Message-ID: <200504202120.j3KLKZd8021318@smtp.usol.com>

Jim, 	
	
Do you mean the 'stylus' or do you mean the actual 'cartridge' that holds the
stylus?

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From: Welsh <Jicaru@icon.co.za>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] THORENS AND SME - THE LATEST
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:16 PM

Hi

To all those who assisted me in my refurbishing the Thorens 124 and SME 3009
that I found recently at a hamfest - many thanks. In additon to the practical
and useful assistance I received from members, I also found a wealth of
information and service sheets for the Thorens and SME on the web. Sharing is
the name of the game.

The cartridge is a Shure M75 which I discovered I had in the cupboard - brand
new, bought about 20 years ago. Still salivate at the mention of a Shure V15
though.

New plinth, new oil in the motor, refreshed main spindle bearings (cleaned and
oiled), silver solder on all audio frequency joints, decent coax to take the
signal to the pre-amp. Some Turtle Wax on the body parts - not a scratch in
sight. Calibrated the speed using the strobe - careful adjustments to the
magnetic clutch. Now 33 and 1/3 rpm exactly.

The turntable and arm are now partnered by my Dynaco PAS2 (with the van Alstine
power supply mod - built from a web-based magazine article that I see has
recently disappeared!), and the amplifier is a pair of Quad IIs that I rebuilt:
gold-plated RCA plugs, switches, etc, superb Groove Tubes KT66s, Mullard EF86s,
etc. No new holes and all changes can be 100% reversed back to the old Bulgins,
etc. The speakers are a pair of Wharfdale 505s - made in the homeland, not out
east as their later cousins now are.

By the way, I have an eastern sourced pair of Wharfdales for my DVD system using
a Dynaco ST35 and homebrew prepamplifer built as per AudioNote's M7.). Carol
King, Allison Krauss and Dixie Chicks - what a blast.

Sweet music - sometimes very loud - keeps the neighbours in control, or deaf!

Sweet is the sound of Nathan Milstein playing Beethoven's violin concerto on the
Thorens.

Goodbye Sony direct-drive.

Thanks for the great site and all the encouragement that one gets: directly and
indirectly when one reads about others having as much fun as I am.

Cheers

Jim
Johannesburg
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From bsugarberg at core.com  Wed Apr 20 18:27:29 2005
From: bsugarberg at core.com (Bruce Sugarberg)
Date: Wed Apr 20 18:31:19 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Wanted:  Bell Imperial 1000
References: <200504162338.j3GNccd8026670@smtp.usol.com>
	<4261E4AC.5070509@oneradio.net>
Message-ID: <4266D751.5060802@core.com>

Hello All,

I am looking for a Bell Imperial 1000 receiver.

Thank you,

Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC




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From dfischer at usol.com  Wed Apr 20 23:22:19 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Apr 20 23:28:45 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Wanted:  Bell Imperial 1000
Message-ID: <200504210324.j3L3OAd8027022@smtp.usol.com>

Hello Bruce, 	
	
Nowadays a 'receiver' means the amplifier and tuner combination. Is what you
want just a tuner?	
	
I know of a friend who has some Bell gear that he has carefully preserved and
maintained in excellent electrical condition. He is the original owner and has
the manuals. Before i put you two together, please tell me exactly what you
want, the condition expected and your price range. 	
	
I will talk to him to be sure what he has is what you want. If it is, then i
will give him your contact information and you two can take it from there.			
	
i can tell you up front Bruce, this is absolutely beautiful equipment and
totally functional. Not a project.	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	
 
 

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From: Bruce Sugarberg <bsugarberg@core.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Wanted:  Bell Imperial 1000
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:27 PM

Hello All,

I am looking for a Bell Imperial 1000 receiver.

Thank you,

Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC




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From bsugarberg at core.com  Thu Apr 21 01:32:22 2005
From: bsugarberg at core.com (Bruce Sugarberg)
Date: Thu Apr 21 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Wanted:  Bell Imperial 1000
References: <200504210324.j3L3OAd8027022@smtp.usol.com>
Message-ID: <42673AE6.2070105@core.com>

Hello Duane,

What I want is a Bell Imperial 1000 FM Stereo Receiver.
Introduced in 1964, by the Bell division of TRW, of
Columbus, Ohio.  Rated at 25 watts a channel, with 35
transistors, 18 diodes, 3 nuvistor tubes.

Condition:  Good condition, working.  I am not looking
for something in "collector condition".

Price:  I have no idea what a Bell 1000 is worth today.

Thank you,

Bruce WA8TNC
==============================
Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> Hello Bruce, 	
> 	
> Nowadays a 'receiver' means the amplifier and tuner combination. Is what you
> want just a tuner?	
> 	
> I know of a friend who has some Bell gear that he has carefully preserved and
> maintained in excellent electrical condition. He is the original owner and has
> the manuals. Before i put you two together, please tell me exactly what you
> want, the condition expected and your price range. 	
> 	
> I will talk to him to be sure what he has is what you want. If it is, then i
> will give him your contact information and you two can take it from there.			
> 	
> i can tell you up front Bruce, this is absolutely beautiful equipment and
> totally functional. Not a project.	
> 	
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
> dfischer@usol.com	
>  
>  
> 
> ----------
> From: Bruce Sugarberg <bsugarberg@core.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Wanted:  Bell Imperial 1000
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:27 PM
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am looking for a Bell Imperial 1000 receiver.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC
> 
> 
> 
> 




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From jpf at photon.com  Mon Apr 25 22:44:59 2005
From: jpf at photon.com (Joe Filice)
Date: Mon Apr 25 22:50:27 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Note to Duane Fischer
Message-ID: <53D50E71E9894C49BC3B9F9650C049DA33B30D@tyros.photon.com>

Hi Duane,
 
I got your email of three days ago, but I guess you're not receiving anything from me, so I'm resorting to the vintage audio list to communicate.  I apologize to everyone else.  My mailing address is
 
Joe Filice
11346 Red Cedar Lane
San Diego, CA 92131
 
Please let me know when you get the A-5500 shipped and I'll start looking for it.  Thanks.
 
Joe
From dfischer at usol.com  Mon Apr 25 23:20:17 2005
From: dfischer at usol.com (Duane B. Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Apr 25 23:28:34 2005
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Note to Duane Fischer
Message-ID: <200504260323.j3Q3N4d8011488@smtp.usol.com>

My apologies also - 	
	
I just did a check of the dozen+ mail lists I manage and the only one using your
ISP is you. Being as you are receiving the e-mail I am sending to you, perhaps
there is a filter blocking your return mail? This was a fresh e-mail, not a
reply. Try sending me a fresh e-mail.		
	
If that fails, and I doubt that it will, I will contact you by telephone. Thank
you.	
	
Sorry gentlemen, he should have called me by telephone, not posted here. It is
simply a better way to reach people, well, at least those who answer those
messages we leave on their machines!
	

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From: Joe Filice <jpf@photon.com>
To: Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back
<vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: Joe Filice <jpf@photon.com>
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Note to Duane Fischer
Date: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:44 PM

Hi Duane,
 
I got your email of three days ago, but I guess you're not receiving anything
from me, so I'm resorting to the vintage audio list to communicate.  I apologize
to everyone else.  My mailing address is
 
Joe Filice
11346 Red Cedar Lane
San Diego, CA 92131
 
Please let me know when you get the A-5500 shipped and I'll start looking for
it.  Thanks.
 
Joe
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