From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep  3 17:11:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Paul DeFayette)
Date: Wed Sep  3 16:11:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Information request:  Radio Craftsmen
Message-ID: <003201c37256$ddb69430$96f1fea9@Paul>

Good day group,

I recently picked up a couple of Radio Craftsmen items, a model 800 =
tuner/preamp and a C400 amp.  The quality of craftsmanship looks second =
to none and the chrome chassis are very nice looking also.  I have yet =
to fire them up.  Of course, I'll bring them up on a variac and check =
for leaking caps, etc. =20

There is not a whole lot of information to be had about this =
manufacturer on the web.  I am hoping to learn a fair amount from the =
collective knowledge of the group.  The standard array of questions come =
to mind:

What is the history of this manufacturer?
What were the productive years of this company?
How would one rate the physical and audio quality of their products, the =
items listed above, in particular?
Does someone have a list of all their produced components and years of =
manufacture?
Does someone have a nice library of Radio Craftsmen literature available =
for copies or that can be sent in pdf or jpg format?

I am fascinated by a company that looks to have produced a very good =
product, but that I have heard little to nothing about.  Any assistance =
in answering my questions/request for information about Radio Craftsmen =
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Paul DeFayette

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep  3 20:27:06 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Wed Sep  3 19:27:06 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Akai cassette deck
Message-ID: <20030903.162129.22255.71390@webmail07.nyc.untd.com>

Hi,

Does anyone have a schematic for an Akai GXC-75D cassette deck?

Thanks, Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep  4 11:32:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Thu Sep  4 10:32:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Information request:  Radio Craftsmen
Message-ID: <20030904.083901.-587643.0.ma.locksmith@juno.com>

The C400 info is available from Sams Photofacts.  You are looking for set
186 folder 11.

The 800 is also available in set 204 folder 8

I get my Sams by having the local library order them through a program
called "Interlibrary Loan".

They will find a library that has Sams and get it for you.  You usually
have two weeks to use (and maybe copy for yourself) it.

Ed
K1ZOK



On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:06:28 -0400 "Paul DeFayette"
<pjdefayette@earthlink.net> writes:
> Good day group,
> 
> I recently picked up a couple of Radio Craftsmen items, a model 800 
> tuner/preamp and a C400 amp.  

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep  4 14:41:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep  4 13:41:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Scotch #227 Audio Tape
References: <20030809.023549.-412957.5.manualman@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3F577804.B53A4C81@ibb.gov>

Pete,

Stateside, I think all audio tape today is made by
Quantegy.

See:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Quantergy

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hanrahan/eng_trav/ampex.html

Without doing a lot of note researching, seems that Quantegy 
bought out the Ampex tape production facility in Opelika, AL,
many years ago, and I forget what Scotch-3M is doing in the
tape business.  TDK and Maxell are also making tape stock,
but I think that is coming out of Japan.

Can't tell you what is happening in Europe, tho.

73
Sheldon
WA4MZZ

manualman@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Looks like the Scotch Master XS tape has the identical specs as the 227.
> Who sells this stuff today?
> Pete
> 
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:51:38 -0400 "Duane Fischer, W8DBF"
> <dfischer@usol.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > I have figured out that the Scotch number 227 reel to reel audio
> > tape is close
> > to their top of the line commercial grade. The iron oxide used is
> > either black
> > or a dark gray. It is a special mixture that allows for higher
> > recording levels
> > than the standard iron oxide which is a reddish brown. Superior
> > spectrum spread
> > requires a superior oxide and it is heavier than the normal one.
> > This accounts
> > for the difference in weight.
> >
> > The military did not have Scotch manufacture a special audio tape
> > exclusively
> > for them, but purchased their best commercial grade tape.
> >
> > I can tell you for certain, that the recording quality is the best I
> > have heard
> > at 3 3/4 ips and outstanding at 7 1/2 ips. Very low noise and almost
> > no
> > distortion. If you have an opportunity to purchase this tape, you
> > would be well
> > advised to stock up!
> >
> > Duane Fischer, w8DBF
> >
> >
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep  4 15:23:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Thu Sep  4 14:23:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Scotch #227 Audio Tape
Message-ID: <20030904.141732.-637379.0.manualman@juno.com>

Thanks Sheldon. I picked up some Quantegy stuff last week. Hopefully I'll
get around to trying it soon.
Pete
P. A. Markavage
ManualMan, now has available laminated credit card style "Quick Reference
Guides" and laminated "Mini-Manuals" for most of the current Icom,
Kenwood, and Yaesu HT's and mobile rigs. Guides generally are $5.00 each;
Mini-Manuals are $15.00 each, plus shipping.

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:36:04 -0400 Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch@ibb.gov>
writes:
> Pete,
> 
> Stateside, I think all audio tape today is made by
> Quantegy.
> 
> See:
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Quantergy
> 
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hanrahan/eng_trav/ampex.html
> 
> Without doing a lot of note researching, seems that Quantegy 
> bought out the Ampex tape production facility in Opelika, AL,
> many years ago, and I forget what Scotch-3M is doing in the
> tape business.  TDK and Maxell are also making tape stock,
> but I think that is coming out of Japan.
> 
> Can't tell you what is happening in Europe, tho.
> 
> 73
> Sheldon
> WA4MZZ
> 
> manualman@juno.com wrote:
> > 
> > Looks like the Scotch Master XS tape has the identical specs as 
> the 227.
> > Who sells this stuff today?
> > Pete
> > 
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:51:38 -0400 "Duane Fischer, W8DBF"
> > <dfischer@usol.com> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > I have figured out that the Scotch number 227 reel to reel 
> audio
> > > tape is close
> > > to their top of the line commercial grade. The iron oxide used 
> is
> > > either black
> > > or a dark gray. It is a special mixture that allows for higher
> > > recording levels
> > > than the standard iron oxide which is a reddish brown. Superior
> > > spectrum spread
> > > requires a superior oxide and it is heavier than the normal 
> one.
> > > This accounts
> > > for the difference in weight.
> > >
> > > The military did not have Scotch manufacture a special audio 
> tape
> > > exclusively
> > > for them, but purchased their best commercial grade tape.
> > >
> > > I can tell you for certain, that the recording quality is the 
> best I
> > > have heard
> > > at 3 3/4 ips and outstanding at 7 1/2 ips. Very low noise and 
> almost
> > > no
> > > distortion. If you have an opportunity to purchase this tape, 
> you
> > > would be well
> > > advised to stock up!
> > >
> > > Duane Fischer, w8DBF

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep  4 15:46:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep  4 14:46:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Scotch #227 Audio Tape
References: <20030904.141732.-637379.0.manualman@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3F57874F.9CE9E8AE@ibb.gov>

Pete,

The VOA studios here in Washington are using Quantegy tape, and
I think the name transition from Ampex to Quantegy must have been 
prior to 1997, as, going from memory, I remember the new name on 
the "pancake" boxes down at tape storage.  I really prized the 
14-inch pancake boxes for shipping, excellent boxes, really 
strong stuff, and the price was right, if one was willing to carry 
it off!  VIA must only be buying 10.5 inch pancakes, as that is
the only size box I've seen in a long time.

73

Sheldon

manualman@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sheldon. I picked up some Quantegy stuff last week. Hopefully I'll
> get around to trying it soon.
> Pete
> P. A. Markavage
> ManualMan, now has available laminated credit card style "Quick Reference
> Guides" and laminated "Mini-Manuals" for most of the current Icom,
> Kenwood, and Yaesu HT's and mobile rigs. Guides generally are $5.00 each;
> Mini-Manuals are $15.00 each, plus shipping.
> 
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:36:04 -0400 Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch@ibb.gov>
> writes:
> > Pete,
> >
> > Stateside, I think all audio tape today is made by
> > Quantegy.
> >
> > See:
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Quantergy
> >
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hanrahan/eng_trav/ampex.html
> >
> > Without doing a lot of note researching, seems that Quantegy
> > bought out the Ampex tape production facility in Opelika, AL,
> > many years ago, and I forget what Scotch-3M is doing in the
> > tape business.  TDK and Maxell are also making tape stock,
> > but I think that is coming out of Japan.
> >
> > Can't tell you what is happening in Europe, tho.
> >
> > 73
> > Sheldon
> > WA4MZZ
> >
> > manualman@juno.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like the Scotch Master XS tape has the identical specs as
> > the 227.
> > > Who sells this stuff today?
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:51:38 -0400 "Duane Fischer, W8DBF"
> > > <dfischer@usol.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have figured out that the Scotch number 227 reel to reel
> > audio
> > > > tape is close
> > > > to their top of the line commercial grade. The iron oxide used
> > is
> > > > either black
> > > > or a dark gray. It is a special mixture that allows for higher
> > > > recording levels
> > > > than the standard iron oxide which is a reddish brown. Superior
> > > > spectrum spread
> > > > requires a superior oxide and it is heavier than the normal
> > one.
> > > > This accounts
> > > > for the difference in weight.
> > > >
> > > > The military did not have Scotch manufacture a special audio
> > tape
> > > > exclusively
> > > > for them, but purchased their best commercial grade tape.
> > > >
> > > > I can tell you for certain, that the recording quality is the
> > best I
> > > > have heard
> > > > at 3 3/4 ips and outstanding at 7 1/2 ips. Very low noise and
> > almost
> > > > no
> > > > distortion. If you have an opportunity to purchase this tape,
> > you
> > > > would be well
> > > > advised to stock up!
> > > >
> > > > Duane Fischer, w8DBF
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep  4 21:23:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Ken Sands)
Date: Thu Sep  4 20:23:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Scotch #227 Audio Tape
Message-ID: <20030904.202016.688.0.ken.sands@juno.com>

Pete, send me your address...... I need a manual for a T4x transmitter
only an X will do
73, Ken K8TFD

Ken Sands
Audio/Video Engineer
ken.sands@juno.com
734-453-7658
734-776-9493 cell

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 11:55:03 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Fri Sep  5 10:55:03 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <20030905.074934.23538.80767@webmail02.nyc.untd.com>

Hi, 

Does anyone know where I can find a wiring diagram and/or schematic for a Technics SL-210 belt-driven turntable?

Thanks, Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 12:17:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 11:17:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <200309051511.h85FBRQ18186@hades.usol.com>

Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:	
	
manualman@juno.com	


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From: k4tl@netzero.com
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:48 AM


Hi, 

Does anyone know where I can find a wiring diagram and/or schematic for a
Technics SL-210 belt-driven turntable?

Thanks, Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 13:14:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Rick Larson)
Date: Fri Sep  5 12:14:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Utica Town and Country TC-23
Message-ID: <20030905160903.GN328@adc.com>

Not really vintage audio, but if anyone wants
a Utica Town and Country TC23, I have one CHEAP.
I hate to part it out.

Here is a pic (a bit nicer than mine):
http://uticacommunicationscb.homestead.com/files/tc1.jpg

rick
-- 
Minneapolis

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 13:53:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Fri Sep  5 12:53:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <20030905.094717.23552.296716@webmail05.nyc.untd.com>

"Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:	
	
manualman@juno.com"

Duane, the manual man puts out great manuals, but unfortunately not one Technics manual is listed in his catalog.

Curt	



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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 15:10:04 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (John Phillips)
Date: Fri Sep  5 14:10:04 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Utica Town and Country TC-23
Message-ID: <20030905.125459.-638455.0.johnph3@juno.com>

I am very much interested How much?
Thanks John
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:09:03 -0500 "Rick Larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
writes:
> Not really vintage audio, but if anyone wants
> a Utica Town and Country TC23, I have one CHEAP.
> I hate to part it out.
> 
> Here is a pic (a bit nicer than mine):
> http://uticacommunicationscb.homestead.com/files/tc1.jpg
> 
> rick
> -- 
> Minneapolis
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> 
> 

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 15:13:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Fri Sep  5 14:13:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <20030905.140702.-479333.2.manualman@juno.com>

Ahhh, but, I have two large cartons of them that have yet to be
cataloged. We're looking now for the cartons. I think they're in aisle 4,
section D.

Pete

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:47:05 GMT k4tl@netzero.com writes:
> 
> "Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:        
>         
> manualman@juno.com"
> 
> Duane, the manual man puts out great manuals, but unfortunately not 
> one Technics manual is listed in his catalog.
> 
> Curt        

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 15:57:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Rick Larson)
Date: Fri Sep  5 14:57:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Utica Town and Country TC-23
In-Reply-To: <20030905.125459.-638455.0.johnph3@juno.com>
References: <20030905.125459.-638455.0.johnph3@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20030905185150.GR328@adc.com>

John,

> I am very much interested How much?

I'm thinking of $25.  Let me take some pictures so you know
what you are getting.

Let's take it off line...

rick

> Thanks John
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:09:03 -0500 "Rick Larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
> writes:
> > Not really vintage audio, but if anyone wants
> > a Utica Town and Country TC23, I have one CHEAP.
> > I hate to part it out.

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 16:45:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 15:45:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <200309051939.h85JdbQ07378@hades.usol.com>

Sometimes Pete has manuals he has not yet listed, it never hurts to ask him OM. 

	
You can try NI4Q, AlBernard, but i don't think Al handles Hi Fi and stereo
manuals.	
	
ni4q@juno.com	
	
DBF 	


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From: k4tl@netzero.com
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:47 PM


"Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:	
	
manualman@juno.com"

Duane, the manual man puts out great manuals, but unfortunately not one Technics
manual is listed in his catalog.

Curt	



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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 16:58:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Fri Sep  5 15:58:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
In-Reply-To: <200309051939.h85JdbQ07378@hades.usol.com>
References: <200309051939.h85JdbQ07378@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F58E7F3.8070707@csnsys.com>

Try Rick at:
http://www.stereomanuals.com/
WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> Sometimes Pete has manuals he has not yet listed, it never hurts to ask him OM. 
> 
> 	
> You can try NI4Q, AlBernard, but i don't think Al handles Hi Fi and stereo
> manuals.	
> 	
> ni4q@juno.com	
> 	
> DBF 	
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: k4tl@netzero.com
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
> Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:47 PM
> 
> 
> "Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:	
> 	
> manualman@juno.com"
> 
> Duane, the manual man puts out great manuals, but unfortunately not one Technics
> manual is listed in his catalog.
> 
> Curt	
> 
> 
> 
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> 


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 18:17:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 17:17:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Utica Town and Country TC-23
Message-ID: <200309052112.h85LCRQ16737@hades.usol.com>

Gentlemen, 	
	
Please send your private business to each other, not to the list.
Remember,hitting the 'reply' button posts to the entire list, not to the sender.

	
Thank you.	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
List Admin	


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From: John Phillips <johnph3@juno.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Utica Town and Country TC-23
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:54 PM

I am very much interested How much?
Thanks John
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:09:03 -0500 "Rick Larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
writes:
> Not really vintage audio, but if anyone wants
> a Utica Town and Country TC23, I have one CHEAP.
> I hate to part it out.
> 
> Here is a pic (a bit nicer than mine):
> http://uticacommunicationscb.homestead.com/files/tc1.jpg
> 
> rick
> -- 
> Minneapolis
> _______________________________________________
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> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
> 
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 19:21:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 18:21:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Maxell Tape Wanted
Message-ID: <200309052216.h85MGBQ21024@hades.usol.com>

	
Do any of you have extra, or know of, a source for Maxell XL1 35-180b teninch
reels of audio tape? I know it is difficult to come by these days since Maxell
ceased production. If you can help, please let me know. 	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 19:36:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 18:36:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Utica Town and Country TC-23
Message-ID: <200309052230.h85MUgQ22063@hades.usol.com>

It would be nice to know more about this item for thos ehwo may not be familiar
with it. Thanks.	


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From: Rick Larson <rick@mnbrewers.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Utica Town and Country TC-23
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:51 PM

John,

> I am very much interested How much?

I'm thinking of $25.  Let me take some pictures so you know
what you are getting.

Let's take it off line...

rick

> Thanks John
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:09:03 -0500 "Rick Larson" <rick@mnbrewers.com>
> writes:
> > Not really vintage audio, but if anyone wants
> > a Utica Town and Country TC23, I have one CHEAP.
> > I hate to part it out.
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep  5 22:22:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep  5 21:22:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Message-ID: <200309060116.h861GpQ02572@hades.usol.com>

Bob, 	
	
Per chance do you know if they have one for the Sony TA-1144, Akai X-150r or
H.H. Scott LT-110? Thanks.	
	
Duane W8DBF	


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From: WBob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:45 PM

Try Rick at:
http://www.stereomanuals.com/
WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> Sometimes Pete has manuals he has not yet listed, it never hurts to ask him
OM. 
> 
> 	
> You can try NI4Q, AlBernard, but i don't think Al handles Hi Fi and stereo
> manuals.	
> 	
> ni4q@juno.com	
> 	
> DBF 	
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: k4tl@netzero.com
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] turntable wiring
> Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:47 PM
> 
> 
> "Try Peter Markavage, WA2CWA:	
> 	
> manualman@juno.com"
> 
> Duane, the manual man puts out great manuals, but unfortunately not one
Technics
> manual is listed in his catalog.
> 
> Curt	
> 
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep  6 06:16:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Rudy Rutenber)
Date: Sat Sep  6 05:16:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Belt kit for Akai 747
Message-ID: <005501c37456$d0874000$6401a8c0@rudy>

Anyone know where to get one?
thanks, Rudy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep  6 09:12:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Sat Sep  6 08:12:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Belt kit for Akai 747
Message-ID: <20030906.050559.6027.216392@webmail18.nyc.untd.com>

Rudy,

You might try Vintage Electronics: http://www.vintage-electronics.net

Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep  6 11:10:09 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (David Franklin)
Date: Sat Sep  6 10:10:09 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Belt kit for Akai 747
References: <005501c37456$d0874000$6401a8c0@rudy>
Message-ID: <001b01c3747f$e1fd5350$60baf7a5@D9QBNB11>

Rudy,

You may find the belts you need at:  

http://www.action-electronics.com/beltf.htm#Measure

I was able to find one to fit a Teac cassette deck. 

Dave

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Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:11 AM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Belt kit for Akai 747


> Anyone know where to get one?
> thanks, Rudy
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 17:51:03 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep  8 16:51:03 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110
Message-ID: <200309082045.h88KjLQ18321@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings All, 	
	
It seems there are at least two variations of the H.H. Scott LT-110 stereo
multiplex FM tuner. Mine has a slide switch for the noise filter in/out and the
AGC mpx or mono. A friend has one with knobs instead of slide switches. 	
	
On the far left of the front panel I have a two position knob for sonic monitor
or listen. His does not have this at all, instead it is a level control knob
ranging from one to ten.   	
	
There are no extensions to the LT-110, such as "A", "B" and so forth. What is
the deal?	
	
thanks. 	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	
	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 18:10:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (AA6DX)
Date: Mon Sep  8 17:10:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110
References: <200309082045.h88KjLQ18321@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <004101c3764c$da4a4b80$7662ce3f@desk>

Perhaps headphone volume control?   Mark
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110


>
>
> Greetings All,
>
> It seems there are at least two variations of the H.H. Scott LT-110 stereo
> multiplex FM tuner. Mine has a slide switch for the noise filter in/out
and the
> AGC mpx or mono. A friend has one with knobs instead of slide switches.
>
> On the far left of the front panel I have a two position knob for sonic
monitor
> or listen. His does not have this at all, instead it is a level control
knob
> ranging from one to ten.
>
> There are no extensions to the LT-110, such as "A", "B" and so forth. What
is
> the deal?
>
> thanks.
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> dfischer@usol.com
>
>
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 18:31:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Mon Sep  8 17:31:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110
Message-ID: <B514E128008FB148957242A1D71260B61ED9A0@COL-EMAIL3.col.missouri.edu>

Duane,

Here's a excerpt from the H.H. Scott Tube Tuner History webpage =
(http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/TunerHistory.html) that may help =
elucidate..

LT-110 - FM Multiplex Stereo Tuner Kit

The LT-110 was a kit version of the 350, but differed in that it used =
the traditional Scott 3 tube IF with a 6AU6 limiter, rather than the =
6BN6 Gated Beam limiter used in the original 350 model. The first LT-110 =
had a front panel level control, like the 350. The early LT-110's had =
brown painted front panels, which were later replaced by gold panels, =
similar to factory assembled tuners. The later LT-110's were upgraded to =
the 350B circuit, and the front panel level control was replaced with a =
"Sonic Monitor" switch. The vacuum tube rectifier used in the first =
LT-110, was replaced with a selenium rectifier in the later, revised =
LT-100. I do not know if this circuit change occurred at the same time =
as the front panel change. There was no model number change when these =
changes were made.

Cheers,

Michael Salmons


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From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF [mailto:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:43 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110



=09
Greetings All, =09
=09
It seems there are at least two variations of the H.H. Scott LT-110 =
stereo
multiplex FM tuner. Mine has a slide switch for the noise filter in/out =
and the
AGC mpx or mono. A friend has one with knobs instead of slide switches. 	=

=09
On the far left of the front panel I have a two position knob for sonic =
monitor
or listen. His does not have this at all, instead it is a level control =
knob
ranging from one to ten.   =09
=09
There are no extensions to the LT-110, such as "A", "B" and so forth. =
What is
the deal?=09
=09
thanks. =09
=09
Duane Fischer, W8DBF=09
dfischer@usol.com=09
=09

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 18:41:03 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Mon Sep  8 17:41:03 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Pioneer Laservision Player
Message-ID: <20030908.173354.-1082813.1.ma.locksmith@juno.com>

Sort of the Betamax to todays DVD, I guess

Was given one a short time ago, "It works, but we gave away all of the
disks"

It appears to be the set that uses 10 inch disks of some unknown format.

Any interest before I split it between the parts "junque" box and the ash
barrel....  

Oops, I'm giving away my age......  make that trash bin.

Ed
K1ZOK

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 22:20:59 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep  8 21:20:59 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Pioneer Laservision Player
Message-ID: <200309090115.h891FqQ11813@hades.usol.com>

Ed, 	
	
I have an extensive laser disk collection, but they are twelve inch. Pioneer was
the pioneer behind this technology and built the best chassis. Many companies,
Yamaha among them, bought a Pioneer chassis and added their own frills around
it. I believe the LD blows the DVD away easily, both video and audio wise. But
the DVD was never meant to be superior to the LD, just cheaper to make and a
smaller diamter gave it more applications.	
	
Maybe somebody here remembers what technology was used for the ten inch disks? 	
	
DBF	
 

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From: ma.locksmith@juno.com
To: forsale-swap@mailman.qth.net; vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Pioneer Laservision Player
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:33 PM

Sort of the Betamax to todays DVD, I guess

Was given one a short time ago, "It works, but we gave away all of the
disks"

It appears to be the set that uses 10 inch disks of some unknown format.

Any interest before I split it between the parts "junque" box and the ash
barrel....  

Oops, I'm giving away my age......  make that trash bin.

Ed
K1ZOK

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 22:27:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep  8 21:27:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110
Message-ID: <200309090122.h891MJQ12484@hades.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
Beautiful! Thank you Michael. Now if I can just get my screen reading software
to track that web site so I can read more.  	
	
I owe you one. Yea, maybe even a LT-110. You just never know - 	
	
DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:26 PM

Duane,

Here's a excerpt from the H.H. Scott Tube Tuner History webpage
(http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/TunerHistory.html) that may help elucidate..

LT-110 - FM Multiplex Stereo Tuner Kit

The LT-110 was a kit version of the 350, but differed in that it used the
traditional Scott 3 tube IF with a 6AU6 limiter, rather than the 6BN6 Gated Beam
limiter used in the original 350 model. The first LT-110 had a front panel level
control, like the 350. The early LT-110's had brown painted front panels, which
were later replaced by gold panels, similar to factory assembled tuners. The
later LT-110's were upgraded to the 350B circuit, and the front panel level
control was replaced with a "Sonic Monitor" switch. The vacuum tube rectifier
used in the first LT-110, was replaced with a selenium rectifier in the later,
revised LT-100. I do not know if this circuit change occurred at the same time
as the front panel change. There was no model number change when these changes
were made.

Cheers,

Michael Salmons


-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF [mailto:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:43 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re H.H. Scott LT-110



	
Greetings All, 	
	
It seems there are at least two variations of the H.H. Scott LT-110 stereo
multiplex FM tuner. Mine has a slide switch for the noise filter in/out and the
AGC mpx or mono. A friend has one with knobs instead of slide switches. 	
	
On the far left of the front panel I have a two position knob for sonic monitor
or listen. His does not have this at all, instead it is a level control knob
ranging from one to ten.   	
	
There are no extensions to the LT-110, such as "A", "B" and so forth. What is
the deal?	
	
thanks. 	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
dfischer@usol.com	
	

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep  8 23:30:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Mon Sep  8 22:30:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Pioneer Laservision Player
References: <20030908.173354.-1082813.1.ma.locksmith@juno.com>
Message-ID: <020f01c37679$a1cc7f80$6401a8c0@pavillion>

> Sort of the Betamax to todays DVD, I guess

Here's an interesting little historical summary of video on disk that I
found at  http://www.oto-online.com/jan00/p57.html
-------------------

Recording video signals on disc has a long history - Logie Baird developed a
working disc-based video recording system half a century ago. Consumer
disc-based video also emerged before the arrival of audio CDs and indeed
before the laser-beam on which CD relies became a viable technology. Early
progress was hindered by fierce competition between four rival systems and
the reluctance of buyers to invest in a play-only video medium whose quality
was only marginally better than could be obtained from the ubiquitous, and
relatively inexpensive, VHS videotape cassette recorder.

Briefly these pioneering systems were: the 200mm (8 inch) TeD Video Disc
developed jointly by Telefunken, Teldec and Decca which had an FM-modulated
video and audio groove traced by a stylus, and was very short-lived; the
Philips LaserVision 300mm (12 inch) optical disc offering excellent digital
video, analogue stereo sound and random access; the RCA two-sided CED, or
SelectaVision Video Disc, with a spiralling track of pits and bumps read by
a diamond stylus as alternating values of capacitance; and the JVC VHD/AHD
250mm (10 inch) disc with a VHD version not unlike CED and the AHD
audio-only version offering PCM encoded digital sound.   In 1988, Philips
briefly marketed a range of 120mm, 200mm and 300mm CD-Video discs which
brought together features of the audio CD and LaserVision. However, the
120mm version carried only six minutes of analogue video plus 20 minutes of
digital stereo sound and the system was soon abandoned.

-------------------

I'm not sure when Pioneer stopped making laserdisc machines but  I worked on
a project with them in the late 70's where their industrial machines were
used to show short videos at military recruiting offices, one of a many
non-home-entertainment applications.   I found where they exited the
software publishing biz in 1999.  The laserdisc was probably ahead of its
time, and another example of "the best technology doesn't always win".

73, Bob W9RAN


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Sep  9 10:13:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Tue Sep  9 09:13:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Pioneer Laservision Player
Message-ID: <20030909.090627.-516687.1.ma.locksmith@juno.com>

Thanks

Ed

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:24:47 -0500 "Robert Nickels" <w9ran@oneradio.net>
writes:
> > Sort of the Betamax to todays DVD, I guess
> 
> Here's an interesting little historical summary of video on disk 
> that I
> found at  http://www.oto-online.com/jan00/p57.html
> -------------------
> 

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 10 10:22:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 10 09:22:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
Message-ID: <200309101317.h8ADH7Q21014@hades.usol.com>

	
Do any of you happen to know the tube layout for the H.H. Scott LT-110 FM
multiplex tuner? Because I can not see the tube to read what is on it, thus I
need the tube number and its function and I need to know its physical position
in relation to the front. Such as viewed from the front panel toward the rear
and left to right. Use major components as fixed reference points, such as a
transformer etc.   	
	
I have a copy of the manual, but scanning it has not proved helpful. Sometimes
the text to speech conversion software is unable to recognize some fonts and so
forth.  	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 10 18:24:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (JM/CO)
Date: Wed Sep 10 17:24:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
References: <200309101317.h8ADH7Q21014@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c377e1$93eaee60$da284b43@net>

Duane, have someone take a good look at the top of the chassis. Most ( but
not all) H.H. Scott products of that era had the tube numbers printed on the
chassis.
Chuck N1LNH
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:14 AM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110


>
>
> Do any of you happen to know the tube layout for the H.H. Scott LT-110 FM
> multiplex tuner? Because I can not see the tube to read what is on it,
thus I
> need the tube number and its function and I need to know its physical
position
> in relation to the front. Such as viewed from the front panel toward the
rear
> and left to right. Use major components as fixed reference points, such as
a
> transformer etc.
>
> I have a copy of the manual, but scanning it has not proved helpful.
Sometimes
> the text to speech conversion software is unable to recognize some fonts
and so
> forth.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Duane W8DBF
>
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 11 11:25:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu Sep 11 10:25:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
In-Reply-To: <200309101317.h8ADH7Q21014@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030911101831.022cd9f0@mail01.amdiac.net>

Duane,

My ST-110 is in daily use and easy to get at. I can make a words 
description of the tube layout for you if you need that.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 11 15:09:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 11 14:09:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
Message-ID: <200309111803.h8BI3pQ11958@hades.usol.com>

Yes Roy, please. Thank you!	
	
DBF	


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From: Roy Morgan <goodguy3@amdiac.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:19 AM


Duane,

My ST-110 is in daily use and easy to get at. I can make a words 
description of the tube layout for you if you need that.

Roy

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 11 15:22:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu Sep 11 14:22:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Tubes For LT-110
In-Reply-To: <200309111803.h8BI3pQ11958@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030911141628.022ef470@mail01.amdiac.net>

Duane,

Ok I'll check it out tonight and reply tomorrow.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 12 11:22:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 12 10:22:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Akai X-150 Puzzle Solved
Message-ID: <200309121416.h8CEGEQ29354@hades.usol.com>

	
Hi All, 	
	
Thanks to KO6BB, Phil, I now know how this odd pause control works.	
	
First, it is NOT a pause control! Akai had a device on the left side of the tape
head cover that was used to clean the tape. The 'knob' used to have a felt
covering and a partial metal cover on it, now long departed. It wa spushed
forward to the lock position and left. When you felt the urge to clean the tape,
you depressed the little release button, the felt covered shaft dropped down
against the tape and cleaned it. 	
	
This makes sense, as I could not imagine how this odd contraption could possibly
'pause' the tape, but yet that is what it appeared to be intended to do. I
seriously doubt I need the felt on this shaft to clean the tape, so it will be
left as is.	
	
Thanks to all for their suggestions and input. The great thing about these
lists, is that somebody out there has seen it, no matter what it seems to be.
What a tremendous resource for information!	
	
Remember, these lists do not exist cost free, if you can spare a few dollars,
send them to the owner Al Waller, K3TKJ. If it were not for Al, none of
qth.net/qsl.net would exist. This is the man's hobby, by the way.  	
	
Duane W8DBF	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep 15 18:25:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep 15 17:25:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309152119.h8FLJRQ10233@hades.usol.com>

	
Hi All, 	
	
The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed, a function I do
not like. Apparently the wired remote, which I do not have, allows for
continuous pause. Ths really complicates recording from vinyl! 	
	
I have also noticed that with the monitor switch in the 'source' position, I can
set the record level knobs. I do not have to have previous pressed the 'record'
button and so forth.	
	
I have determined the way one records is to press the record and play buttons at
the same time. I had hoped that pressing the record button would put it in a
pause/record mode and then I could start the recording by pressing the play
button. No such luck. 	
	
Am I missing something here in how to record with the Revox B77?  	
	
Thanks. 	
	
Duane W8DBF	
 

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep 15 19:22:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Salmons, Michael)
Date: Mon Sep 15 18:22:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <B514E128008FB148957242A1D71260B61ED9AB@COL-EMAIL3.col.missouri.edu>

Speaking of recording from vinyl...

I'd really be interested in knowing how people on this list are doing =
what you say, Duane, recording records for posterity and regular =
listening. I can imagine the signal path in your rig containing some =
interesting components. I am particularly interested in the turntable =
and cartridge combos, since that is the weak link in my own signal path =
at the moment.

I seem to recall this coming up on the list before, and apologize for =
forgetting it all!=20

Michael

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To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording



=09
Hi All, =09
=09
The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed, a function =
I do
not like. Apparently the wired remote, which I do not have, allows for
continuous pause. Ths really complicates recording from vinyl! =09
=09
I have also noticed that with the monitor switch in the 'source' =
position, I can
set the record level knobs. I do not have to have previous pressed the =
'record'
button and so forth.=09
=09
I have determined the way one records is to press the record and play =
buttons at
the same time. I had hoped that pressing the record button would put it =
in a
pause/record mode and then I could start the recording by pressing the =
play
button. No such luck. =09
=09
Am I missing something here in how to record with the Revox B77?  =09
=09
Thanks. =09
=09
Duane W8DBF=09
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep 15 22:36:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep 15 21:36:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309160130.h8G1UZQ30634@hades.usol.com>

Michael, 	
	
What kind of recording do you wish for me to discuss? I do source to DAT, source
to CDR, source to cassette and source to reel to reel. I also do DAT to CDR, DAT
to DAT, CD to CDR or CDRW  and vinyl to anything. What is even better, is I do
it without being able to see the VU meters or digital displays for recording
levels, balance and so forth. Which gives me an instant excuse if I mess up!
"What meter? What red line? What do you mean it says 'tilt' on the display?"  	
	
If you want to discuss something at length Michael, let's go to the landline.
E-mail me off list, and I will give you the tx.	
	
Duane W8DBF	


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From: Salmons, Michael <SalmonsM@missouri.edu>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Date: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:17 PM

Speaking of recording from vinyl...

I'd really be interested in knowing how people on this list are doing what you
say, Duane, recording records for posterity and regular listening. I can imagine
the signal path in your rig containing some interesting components. I am
particularly interested in the turntable and cartridge combos, since that is the
weak link in my own signal path at the moment.

I seem to recall this coming up on the list before, and apologize for forgetting
it all! 

Michael

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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:17 PM
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording



	
Hi All, 	
	
The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed, a function I do
not like. Apparently the wired remote, which I do not have, allows for
continuous pause. Ths really complicates recording from vinyl! 	
	
I have also noticed that with the monitor switch in the 'source' position, I can
set the record level knobs. I do not have to have previous pressed the 'record'
button and so forth.	
	
I have determined the way one records is to press the record and play buttons at
the same time. I had hoped that pressing the record button would put it in a
pause/record mode and then I could start the recording by pressing the play
button. No such luck. 	
	
Am I missing something here in how to record with the Revox B77?  	
	
Thanks. 	
	
Duane W8DBF	
 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 09:41:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Wed Sep 17 08:41:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
References: <200309152119.h8FLJRQ10233@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F68553D.F0A35517@ibb.gov>

Duane,

Your note rattled a brain cell or two, and bear in mind, it has 
been only 25 years or so since I've seen a Revox A77.  
I know yours is a B77.

OK, point is that for some reason I am thinking the remote control 
port, if the remote is not used, there may be a need for a jumper 
wire across two of the pins, for the front panel controls to work
properly.  Don't quote me on this, because I don't have a unit or
a schematic to verify this, but I seem to recall something like
this on some tape decks I've used in the past.

73
Sheldon
WA4MZZ

"

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 10:28:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 17 09:28:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309171322.h8HDMYQ28027@hades.usol.com>

Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what pins?
Thanks!	
	


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From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch@ibb.gov>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:36 AM

Duane,

Your note rattled a brain cell or two, and bear in mind, it has 
been only 25 years or so since I've seen a Revox A77.  
I know yours is a B77.

OK, point is that for some reason I am thinking the remote control 
port, if the remote is not used, there may be a need for a jumper 
wire across two of the pins, for the front panel controls to work
properly.  Don't quote me on this, because I don't have a unit or
a schematic to verify this, but I seem to recall something like
this on some tape decks I've used in the past.

73
Sheldon
WA4MZZ

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 10:40:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Wed Sep 17 09:40:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
In-Reply-To: <200309152119.h8FLJRQ10233@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030917093325.02ef5b50@mail01.amdiac.net>

>  The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed,

Duane,

I wonder if that button slides one way or the other into a locked position 
once you depress it. I seem to remember such operation on something or 
other. I never did run a Revox B77, so this is just a guess.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 10:40:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Wed Sep 17 09:40:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
In-Reply-To: <200309152119.h8FLJRQ10233@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030917093325.02ef5b50@mail01.amdiac.net>

>  The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed,

Duane,

I wonder if that button slides one way or the other into a locked position 
once you depress it. I seem to remember such operation on something or 
other. I never did run a Revox B77, so this is just a guess.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 11:51:03 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Doug Forbes)
Date: Wed Sep 17 10:51:03 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
References: <200309171322.h8HDMYQ28027@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <006001c3c4b5$bd79b2e0$4b145142@main>

Hi Duane,

The service manual says:
The dummy connector must be inserted for operation without the remote
control unit (this dummy connector shorts terminals 1 and 2).

Doug Forbes


> Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what
pins?
> Thanks!




From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 11:57:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Wed Sep 17 10:57:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
References: <200309171322.h8HDMYQ28027@hades.usol.com> <006001c3c4b5$bd79b2e0$4b145142@main>
Message-ID: <3F6874EA.22F37A5F@ibb.gov>

Doug,

thanks for that tidbit.  Amazing what you can 
remember after 25 years.  I had some A77 decks
in an automated music system back in the 1970s
and that is what I thought I remembered something
about the remote plug.

Sheldon

Doug Forbes wrote:
> 
> Hi Duane,
> 
> The service manual says:
> The dummy connector must be inserted for operation without the remote
> control unit (this dummy connector shorts terminals 1 and 2).
> 
> Doug Forbes
> 
> > Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what
> pins?
> > Thanks!
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 13:46:07 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 17 12:46:07 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309171641.h8HGfXQ12032@hades.usol.com>

Thank you Doug. I will get somebody to make me up one of those dummy plugs. 	
	
DBF	


----------
From: Doug Forbes <av599@lafn.org>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:52 AM


Hi Duane,

The service manual says:
The dummy connector must be inserted for operation without the remote
control unit (this dummy connector shorts terminals 1 and 2).

Doug Forbes


> Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what
pins?
> Thanks!



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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 13:47:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 17 12:47:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309171641.h8HGfVQ12029@hades.usol.com>

Roy, 	
	
Nope. This is solenoid operated. 	
	
DBF	


----------
From: Roy Morgan <goodguy3@amdiac.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net; vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:34 AM


>  The pause button on the Revox B77 only works while depressed,

Duane,

I wonder if that button slides one way or the other into a locked position 
once you depress it. I seem to remember such operation on something or 
other. I never did run a Revox B77, so this is just a guess.

Roy

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 13:47:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 17 12:47:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Message-ID: <200309171641.h8HGfZQ12037@hades.usol.com>

And thanks to Sheldon for the quarter century old tidbit of memory! 	
	
DBF	


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From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch@ibb.gov>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:51 AM

Doug,

thanks for that tidbit.  Amazing what you can 
remember after 25 years.  I had some A77 decks
in an automated music system back in the 1970s
and that is what I thought I remembered something
about the remote plug.

Sheldon

Doug Forbes wrote:
> 
> Hi Duane,
> 
> The service manual says:
> The dummy connector must be inserted for operation without the remote
> control unit (this dummy connector shorts terminals 1 and 2).
> 
> Doug Forbes
> 
> > Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what
> pins?
> > Thanks!
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 15:05:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (AA6DX)
Date: Wed Sep 17 14:05:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox B77 Recording
In-Reply-To: <3F6874EA.22F37A5F@ibb.gov>
References: <200309171322.h8HDMYQ28027@hades.usol.com> <006001c3c4b5$bd79b2e0$4b145142@main> <3F6874EA.22F37A5F@ibb.gov>
Message-ID: <3F68A125.1020800@pacbell.net>

The jumper can be very simply be a U shaped piece of electrical 
wire....  Mark
Sheldon Daitch wrote:

>Doug,
>
>thanks for that tidbit.  Amazing what you can 
>remember after 25 years.  I had some A77 decks
>in an automated music system back in the 1970s
>and that is what I thought I remembered something
>about the remote plug.
>
>Sheldon
>
>Doug Forbes wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Duane,
>>
>>The service manual says:
>>The dummy connector must be inserted for operation without the remote
>>control unit (this dummy connector shorts terminals 1 and 2).
>>
>>Doug Forbes
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hmmm.. Fascinating. Does anybody know if this is correct? If so, what
>>>      
>>>
>>pins?
>>    
>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>      
>>>




From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 18:45:10 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (MURPH)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:45:10 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Sansui Model 400
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030917173808.00d9f3b8@pop.earthlink.net>

Hi Group
	I don't know if this is classified as vintage audio equipment, but does 
anyone in the group have a schematic of a Sansui Model 400 of the mid 60's era.
Thanks
Murph


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 17 21:25:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 17 20:25:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Revox B77 Puzzle
Message-ID: <200309180019.h8I0JOQ15608@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings, 	
	
Ok, now one of you wizards tell the old blind dude where the heck the knob is to
select: stereo, tracks 2-3 and tracks 1-4 on this Revox B77. I sure can not find
it! Perhaps they gave it some other name, but if they did, I am still trying to
decide what! Can anyone help? 		
	
Tnx! 	
	
Duane W8DBF	


	 

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 18 10:09:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Paul DeFayette)
Date: Thu Sep 18 09:09:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Radio Craftsmen and Hallicrafters literature request
Message-ID: <008b01c37de5$4c50c390$96f1fea9@Paul>

Good morning,

I am looking to purchase good copies of sales literature, owners manuals,
and service manuals for the following mid century hi-fi items from Radio
Craftsmen and Hallicrafters:

Radio Craftsmen C550 amplifier, C400 amplifier, 800 AM/FM tuner/preamp, 900
FM tuner

Hallicrafters A84 amplifier, ST-83 AM/FM tuner/preamp

I've already got the SAMS that are available for these.  I'm looking for the
original manufacturers literature.
Any assistance is very much appreciated.  Thanks.

Regards,

Paul DeFayette



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Sep 21 10:04:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Sun Sep 21 09:04:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Hallicrafters RMX-2000
Message-ID: <121.25f95184.2c9efab5@aol.com>

Good morning everyone,

Have owned a Hallicrafters RMX-2000 audio amplifier for a number of years, 
and would like to find a manual, and/or schematic, so a restoration might be 
started.
Any help finding such would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Ron Hensel
Roanoke, Indiana

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Sep 21 12:56:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Sep 21 11:56:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Hallicrafters RMX-2000
Message-ID: <200309211550.h8LFoxQ11613@hades.usol.com>

Ron, 	
	
I will put the word out on air today during the HCI 20 meter Net, dozens
participate and hundreds just listen in. If you have not checked with:	
	
manualman@juno.com	
	
then do so.		
 

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From: K9ze@aol.com
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Hallicrafters RMX-2000
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:59 AM

Good morning everyone,

Have owned a Hallicrafters RMX-2000 audio amplifier for a number of years, 
and would like to find a manual, and/or schematic, so a restoration might be 
started.
Any help finding such would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Ron Hensel
Roanoke, Indiana
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 24 19:02:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 24 18:02:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309242149.h8OLnOj21562@hades.usol.com>

	
I have come to the conclusion that this Revox B77 is not a four track stereo
deck as I was told when I purchased it. Rather, it is a two track stereo deck.
Which is ok, it does have better noise suppression for near studio performance.
I doubt it is of much benefit for a typical consumer though. 	
	
Question: Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track machine, as
in markings etc? How did Revox designate a two track and a four track deck?		
	
I based my conclusion on a tape I recorded on both sides in stereo on a
different deck. When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing right
and another playing backwards. I am told this indicates it is a two track
machine. Based on all of what has happened, it certainly makes sense that it is
one. 	
	
Duane W8DBF  	
	

	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 24 19:39:08 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Mike Clarson)
Date: Wed Sep 24 18:39:08 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
In-Reply-To: <200309242149.h8OLnOj21562@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <001301c382eb$fcb435e0$86010c0a@clarson>

Duane: Sure sounds like it is a 2 track machine. One last test is to play
back a stereo program recorded on a 4 track machine in one direction only
(start with blank tape) and see if it plays OK, in stereo, on the Revox
(slightly lower volume,degraded s/n ratio is expected). I am guessing there
were 4 track heads made for the Revox if you wanted to convert. Most just
changed the playback heads to they could listen to 4 track tapes.--Mike,
WV2ZOW

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To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery




I have come to the conclusion that this Revox B77 is not a four track stereo
deck as I was told when I purchased it. Rather, it is a two track stereo
deck.
Which is ok, it does have better noise suppression for near studio
performance.
I doubt it is of much benefit for a typical consumer though.

Question: Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track
machine, as
in markings etc? How did Revox designate a two track and a four track deck?

I based my conclusion on a tape I recorded on both sides in stereo on a
different deck. When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing
right
and another playing backwards. I am told this indicates it is a two track
machine. Based on all of what has happened, it certainly makes sense that it
is
one.

Duane W8DBF





From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Sep 24 19:47:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (AA6DX)
Date: Wed Sep 24 18:47:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
References: <200309242149.h8OLnOj21562@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <01c101c382ed$1e152c70$7562ce3f@desk>

Duane .. have your daughter take a peek at the heads on the machine.   There
will be an obvious amount of tracks on the heads, either two or four.  From
your description, yours is a 2 track machine.   Now, mind you, the 2 track
version offers higher quality recordings, with much less cross talk, and you
can pump a hotter signal into the machine without affecting the adjacent
channel.  The downside, is it only uses one direction of the tape, but that
is what broadcasters and recording stations used.  Or, in many cases, still
are!    Cheers.   Mark.   AA6DX
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To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
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Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery


>
>
> I have come to the conclusion that this Revox B77 is not a four track
stereo
> deck as I was told when I purchased it. Rather, it is a two track stereo
deck.
> Which is ok, it does have better noise suppression for near studio
performance.
> I doubt it is of much benefit for a typical consumer though.
>
> Question: Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track
machine, as
> in markings etc? How did Revox designate a two track and a four track
deck?
>
> I based my conclusion on a tape I recorded on both sides in stereo on a
> different deck. When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing
right
> and another playing backwards. I am told this indicates it is a two track
> machine. Based on all of what has happened, it certainly makes sense that
it is
> one.
>
> Duane W8DBF



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 00:02:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 24 23:02:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309250256.h8P2ust14682@hades.usol.com>

Hi Mark, 	
	
Thank you for the reply. I am wondering if I will need to remove the head cover
in order for someone to see the heads well enough to tell if it has dividing
marks or lines on it? Does the entire top cover need to come off for this? 	
	
I do not mind if I bought a machine that was different than represented, at
least not in this particular case. It was sold to me by an attorney and I
seriously doubt he did this intentionally. He had decided to use his Crown
recorders instead of his Revox. I think the man had a two and a four track Revox
and accidentally shipped me the wrong one. He never knew until I wrote and asked
him several days ago. He has not used the one that remains there.  		
	
This machine is in excellent condition and all features/functions seem to work
just fine. I realize the recording and playback time is half that of a four
track deck, but I want quality, so that is not a real concern for me. I have a
high end Teac that is four tracks, so I can have the best of both worlds.	
	
The near studio quality of the Revox B77 two track deck suits me just fine. i am
curious as to how much difference there truly is in the noise floor between the
Revox two and four track decks. Now my cousin who is a 'serious' audio buff, has
a Revox B77 four track deck, so I may do some comparisons between the two decks.
He has Bozak Concert Grand speakers and I have James B. Lansing Century L-100,
so speaker wise, he blows my socks off! But not with stereo headphones! 	
	
I do know that the audio range/fidelity of the Revox B77 at 3 3/4 ips is very
impressive. I had difficulty telling it from 7 1/2 ips. Now that is important,
as the old blind dude can hear things you sighted guys overlook. I can hear the
high frequency roll off between 3 3/4 and 7 1/2 ips, but I had trouble with the
Revox B77 two track deck! 	
	
Duane W8DBF 	
     
	



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From: AA6DX <aa6dx@pacbell.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:42 PM

Duane .. have your daughter take a peek at the heads on the machine.   There
will be an obvious amount of tracks on the heads, either two or four.  From
your description, yours is a 2 track machine.   Now, mind you, the 2 track
version offers higher quality recordings, with much less cross talk, and you
can pump a hotter signal into the machine without affecting the adjacent
channel.  The downside, is it only uses one direction of the tape, but that
is what broadcasters and recording stations used.  Or, in many cases, still
are!    Cheers.   Mark.   AA6DX
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To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:44 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery


>
>
> I have come to the conclusion that this Revox B77 is not a four track
stereo
> deck as I was told when I purchased it. Rather, it is a two track stereo
deck.
> Which is ok, it does have better noise suppression for near studio
performance.
> I doubt it is of much benefit for a typical consumer though.
>
> Question: Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track
machine, as
> in markings etc? How did Revox designate a two track and a four track
deck?
>
> I based my conclusion on a tape I recorded on both sides in stereo on a
> different deck. When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing
right
> and another playing backwards. I am told this indicates it is a two track
> machine. Based on all of what has happened, it certainly makes sense that
it is
> one.
>
> Duane W8DBF


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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 00:12:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Wed Sep 24 23:12:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309250307.h8P37Et15539@hades.usol.com>

Hello Mike, 	
	
I already did this. It sounds just fine.	
	
The audio is supurb.	
	
FYI: I am using seven inch reels of Scotch 227 1800 foot tapes, this is the
industrial/commercial tape with the blackish/gray oxide. 	
	
One thing I do not like, however, are the record level knobs. They are so easy
to turn that setting them is a problem. The slightest anything causes them to
move and the level is changed. Is there any way to tighten these up to cause
more force to be needed to rotate them?	
	
One thing does puzzle me though, now that I am thinking about the deck. The
playback dual output level knobs. They do not appear to be needed for playback,
so when are they used?    	
	
Thanks!	
	
Duane W8DBF	






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From: Mike Clarson <mclarson@rcc.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:34 PM

Duane: Sure sounds like it is a 2 track machine. One last test is to play
back a stereo program recorded on a 4 track machine in one direction only
(start with blank tape) and see if it plays OK, in stereo, on the Revox
(slightly lower volume,degraded s/n ratio is expected). I am guessing there
were 4 track heads made for the Revox if you wanted to convert. Most just
changed the playback heads to they could listen to 4 track tapes.--Mike,
WV2ZOW

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Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery




I have come to the conclusion that this Revox B77 is not a four track stereo
deck as I was told when I purchased it. Rather, it is a two track stereo
deck.
Which is ok, it does have better noise suppression for near studio
performance.
I doubt it is of much benefit for a typical consumer though.

Question: Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track
machine, as
in markings etc? How did Revox designate a two track and a four track deck?

I based my conclusion on a tape I recorded on both sides in stereo on a
different deck. When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing
right
and another playing backwards. I am told this indicates it is a two track
machine. Based on all of what has happened, it certainly makes sense that it
is
one.

Duane W8DBF




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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 10:24:08 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu Sep 25 09:24:08 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
In-Reply-To: <200309250307.h8P37Et15539@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030925091748.02b1b010@mail01.amdiac.net>

>  One thing I do not like, however, are the record level knobs. They are 
> so easy
>to turn that setting them is a problem.

Duane,

Try putting some felt or a sandwitch of fuzzy cloth behind the knob, cut to 
size with a hole for the shaft. That may give just enough friction to make 
the knobs stay put.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 10:52:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu Sep 25 09:52:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
In-Reply-To: <200309242149.h8OLnOj21562@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030925094552.02eda830@mail01.amdiac.net>

>   Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track machine,

... When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing right
>and another playing backwards.

Duane,

That is the sure fire way to tell that you have a four track tape on a two 
track machine.   No further investigation is needed.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 10:52:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu Sep 25 09:52:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
In-Reply-To: <200309242149.h8OLnOj21562@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030925094552.02eda830@mail01.amdiac.net>

>   Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track machine,

... When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing right
>and another playing backwards.

Duane,

That is the sure fire way to tell that you have a four track tape on a two 
track machine.   No further investigation is needed.

Roy


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 11:38:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep 25 10:38:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030925094552.02eda830@mail01.amdiac.net>
Message-ID: <3F72FC8E.4528FA64@ibb.gov>

Is there any possibility the B-77 was available with both
4 track and 2 track playback heads?  There were several
tape desks that had the capability of switching between
a real two track head assembly and a four track head assembly.
Don't know if the Revox B-77 was one that would do that.

Sheldon	


Roy Morgan wrote:
> 
> >   Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track machine,
> 
> ... When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing right
> >and another playing backwards.
> 
> Duane,
> 
> That is the sure fire way to tell that you have a four track tape on a two
> track machine.   No further investigation is needed.
> 
> Roy
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 12:12:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Mike Clarson)
Date: Thu Sep 25 11:12:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
In-Reply-To: <3F72FC8E.4528FA64@ibb.gov>
Message-ID: <001301c38376$51ca5520$86010c0a@clarson>

1/4 track (4 track) was available on the B77. I am sure there were
aftermarket modifications also but have no firsthand knowledge. Also, do not
know if the only change was the heads. Many machines (not necessarily Revox)
that were 2 track were upgraded to 4 track playback so tapes by others could
be played back.

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To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery


Is there any possibility the B-77 was available with both
4 track and 2 track playback heads?  There were several
tape desks that had the capability of switching between
a real two track head assembly and a four track head assembly.
Don't know if the Revox B-77 was one that would do that.

Sheldon



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 12:52:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep 25 11:52:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
References: <001301c38376$51ca5520$86010c0a@clarson>
Message-ID: <3F730DF7.95333F45@ibb.gov>

Mike,

Right on the comments.  I do know that some decks in that timeframe
would have two playback heads, one for two track and the other was
a real four track head (actually two heads in the four track stereo
play configuration).  

Sheldon

Mike Clarson wrote:
> 
> 1/4 track (4 track) was available on the B77. I am sure there were
> aftermarket modifications also but have no firsthand knowledge. Also, do not
> know if the only change was the heads. Many machines (not necessarily Revox)
> that were 2 track were upgraded to 4 track playback so tapes by others could
> be played back.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vintage-audio-admin@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:vintage-audio-admin@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Sheldon Daitch
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:33 AM
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
> 
> Is there any possibility the B-77 was available with both
> 4 track and 2 track playback heads?  There were several
> tape desks that had the capability of switching between
> a real two track head assembly and a four track head assembly.
> Don't know if the Revox B-77 was one that would do that.
> 
> Sheldon
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 14:21:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Fred Olsen)
Date: Thu Sep 25 13:21:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
References: <200309250307.h8P37Et15539@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F7322CA.406@execpc.com>

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> One thing I do not like, however, are the record level knobs. They are so easy
> to turn that setting them is a problem.

Duane, I was going to answer this one and the other question but saw 
that Roy caught it already.  He is quite correct.  The "accepted method" 
is to add felt washers under the knobs.  And also correct in that 
hearing one track of four playing backwards is a dead giveaway that it's 
a half-track machine.

The only thing to which I didn't see anyone post an answer was about 
the head cover.  I believe it just snaps off of the idler posts.  Pull 
straight outward with a slight rocking motion.  Because of the forward 
position of the electronics deck on the Revox an inspection mirror might 
be needed to view the head gaps.  Overall though it does seem that you 
have a half-track deck.  I would say that for your stated needs that's a 
good thing.

Fred
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 16:19:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 25 15:19:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309251914.h8PJENt25600@hades.usol.com>

Excellent idea Roy. Thank you!	
	
Duane W8DBF	


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From: Roy Morgan <goodguy3@amdiac.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:18 AM


>  One thing I do not like, however, are the record level knobs. They are 
> so easy
>to turn that setting them is a problem.

Duane,

Try putting some felt or a sandwitch of fuzzy cloth behind the knob, cut to 
size with a hole for the shaft. That may give just enough friction to make 
the knobs stay put.

Roy

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 16:19:05 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 25 15:19:05 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309251914.h8PJESt25616@hades.usol.com>

Fred, 	
	
You are correct. I knew that and forgot about it, until a hour ago. Then I
tilted it slightly and it popped right off.	
	
The smaller head on the left, there are two large ones on the right, is divided
by a center strip to create two divisions. If this is the record head, it is
most assuredly two track.  	
	
The larger heads on the right show no signs of being divided into four points of
contact. While the division is not as distinct as the smaller head, these also
have two sections.	
	
While I had the head cover off, I cleaned the heads and other associated items
in the tape path. I love the smell of isopropyl alcohol, really clears my sinus
passages out, as well as dissolves any ear wax too. Great stuff! 	
	
DBF	


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From: Fred Olsen <fwolsen@execpc.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:15 PM

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> One thing I do not like, however, are the record level knobs. They are so easy
> to turn that setting them is a problem.

Duane, I was going to answer this one and the other question but saw 
that Roy caught it already.  He is quite correct.  The "accepted method" 
is to add felt washers under the knobs.  And also correct in that 
hearing one track of four playing backwards is a dead giveaway that it's 
a half-track machine.

The only thing to which I didn't see anyone post an answer was about 
the head cover.  I believe it just snaps off of the idler posts.  Pull 
straight outward with a slight rocking motion.  Because of the forward 
position of the electronics deck on the Revox an inspection mirror might 
be needed to view the head gaps.  Overall though it does seem that you 
have a half-track deck.  I would say that for your stated needs that's a 
good thing.

Fred
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 16:19:09 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 25 15:19:09 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Message-ID: <200309251914.h8PJEPt25607@hades.usol.com>

That was my thinking too, but some others had additional ways of being sure. Tnx
Roy.	
	
DBF	


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From: Roy Morgan <goodguy3@amdiac.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net; vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Mystery
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:46 AM


>   Is there any way to know for sure that this is a two track machine,

... When played on the Revox I could hear one track playing right
>and another playing backwards.

Duane,

That is the sure fire way to tell that you have a four track tape on a two 
track machine.   No further investigation is needed.

Roy

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 16:52:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 25 15:52:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
Message-ID: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com>

	
Yes, Revox did make a two and a four track version of the B77. I am told, and I
do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu meters and the
four track had four VU meters.	
	
Now I have never had a deck with more than two meters. The Teac A-5500 is a high
end two track both directions deck, it has two meters. The Revox B77 that my
cousin has is two tracks both directions and has two meters. My Revox B77 is a
two track one direction and has two meters.	
	
Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are there not
stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction and use
1/8 inch per track? Then are there not two track stereo decks that are
bi-directional that use 1/16 inch per track? Then are there not decks that use
four tracks in one direction only? Then what about the decks that use half inch
audio tape instead of quarter inch?	
	
Perhaps somebody can enlighten us as to the proper nomenclature as to each of
these head variations from half track to two track to four track to ...	
	
Duane W8DBF	
  

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 17:29:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert    J. McKee)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:29:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
Message-ID: <410-220039425202830300@mindspring.com>

I have a Crown 4-track 4-channel machine.  Did Revox never
make such an animal???
Bob McKee


> [Original Message]
> From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <dfischer@usol.com>
> To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 9/25/03 3:52:02 PM
> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
>
>
> 	
> Yes, Revox did make a two and a four track version of the B77. I am told,
and I
> do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu meters
and the
> four track had four VU meters.	
> 	
> Now I have never had a deck with more than two meters. The Teac A-5500 is
a high
> end two track both directions deck, it has two meters. The Revox B77 that
my
> cousin has is two tracks both directions and has two meters. My Revox B77
is a
> two track one direction and has two meters.	
> 	
> Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are
there not
> stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction
and use
> 1/8 inch per track? Then are there not two track stereo decks that are
> bi-directional that use 1/16 inch per track? Then are there not decks
that use
> four tracks in one direction only? Then what about the decks that use
half inch
> audio tape instead of quarter inch?	
> 	
> Perhaps somebody can enlighten us as to the proper nomenclature as to
each of
> these head variations from half track to two track to four track to ...	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF	
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 17:32:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Fred Olsen)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:32:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
References: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F734F8D.7060402@execpc.com>

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu meters and the
> four track had four VU meters.	
etc.
> Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are there not
> stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction and use
> 1/8 inch per track?
etc.

Duane, this discussion has been mixing "four track" with "quarter-track" 
and "two track" with "half-track".  Speaking about stereo machines using 
quarter inch tape, a half-track machine uses (somewhat less than) an 
eighth inch per track, or channel, and runs in one direction.  A 
quarter-track machine uses (somewhat less than) a sixteenth inch per 
track, or channel, made up of tracks one and three in the forward 
direction and two and four in the reverse.  And except for the R/P head 
it's the same with either manual reverse (flop the reels) or auto 
reverse.  A quarter-track stereo machine still has only two channels.
(All of that subject to errors of recall; anyone please correct me if 
required.)

There were some "quad" decks which had four channels and four meters and 
used a quarter-track transport in one direction only.  Thank goodness 
quad died its well-deserved death.

With half inch and one inch decks you're getting into the realm of pro 
gear and there are several variations, but most run in only one direction.

Fred
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 17:32:06 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:32:06 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
References: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F734FB7.99596779@ibb.gov>

I was just looking at a brochure on a B-77 and did not note a four 
track version.  I can't seem to find the binder that had the
booklet.  I guess I'll find it in a few weeks.

I figured it was just a matter of time before we'd digress into the 
discussion on tracks.

I think what we have called four track is probably more correctly
defined as quarter track stereo, which has two channels laid 
down, for one tape direction and the other two channels are the
two channels for the opposite tape direction.  

What is also called two track stereo may also be called half
track stereo.  All of this is based on quarter inch tape, and
using the full width of the tape is full track.  Half track
meant using a tape track of slightly less than half the width
of the tape, and you could have half track mono, one track in
each direction or half track stereo, using both tracks for
the stereo audio.  And the same for quarter track, in theory,
four passes in mono, or two passes in conventional two-
channel stereo.

True four track  I would think, would be four audio channels in
one direction, similar to the 8, 16 and 24 track systems that 
are used in recording studios.

I think four tracks is about the limit for analog recording
on quarter inch tape, 8 tracks usually required half inch
tape, 16 tracks on one inch tape and 24 tracks is usually
two inch tape.

Sheldon
WA4MZZ

"Duane Fischer, W8DBF" wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, Revox did make a two and a four track version of the B77. I am told, and I
> do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu meters and the
> four track had four VU meters.
> 
> Now I have never had a deck with more than two meters. The Teac A-5500 is a high
> end two track both directions deck, it has two meters. The Revox B77 that my
> cousin has is two tracks both directions and has two meters. My Revox B77 is a
> two track one direction and has two meters.
> 
> Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are there not
> stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction and use
> 1/8 inch per track? Then are there not two track stereo decks that are
> bi-directional that use 1/16 inch per track? Then are there not decks that use
> four tracks in one direction only? Then what about the decks that use half inch
> audio tape instead of quarter inch?
> 
> Perhaps somebody can enlighten us as to the proper nomenclature as to each of
> these head variations from half track to two track to four track to ...
> 
> Duane W8DBF
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 17:35:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:35:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
References: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com> <3F734F8D.7060402@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <3F73504E.EC3CF38@ibb.gov>

Fred,

Looks like we are working around the same tree here!!

Sheldon

Fred Olsen wrote:
> 
> Dua

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 17:56:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:56:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
In-Reply-To: <3F734F8D.7060402@execpc.com>
References: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com> <3F734F8D.7060402@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <3F7355A0.2000102@csnsys.com>

Fred you are right. There are four "kinds" of 1/4 inch decks. all but one is 
incompatable with the others.

First there is the one track or mono deck. I have two of these where there is 
one fat track across the tape. Both of mine are Ampex ATR 700s. Since the head 
block is interchangable on this deck, I am offering a mono head block on ebay as 
I type.

The second is two track or half track where there are two tracks symmetrical 
across the tape with a wide gap between. This is common for mastering decks and 
for broadcast applications. The tape is only played in one direction and is 
normally stored in a "tails out" configuration and rewound before playing. A lit 
of prerecorded music tapes are available in this format. When played on a mono 
deck the stereo sound is mixed between the channels and you lose about 3 dB in 
loudness due to the less tape under the head gaps. If you play 4 track stereo 
(see below) on a mono machine it will be a mess.

Four track stereo is really two tracks at a time to record/play stereo using 
channels 1 and 3 for left and right in the forward direction and 4 and 2 in the 
reverse direction. The deck may come with heads with two small channels on 1 and 
3 track positions and you need to reverse the reels to play the reverse 
direction forward. or it may have two sets of heads, one set up for 1 and 3 and 
the other set on 4 and 2 or it may have a set of four channel heads as in a four 
channel deck (see below) and switch two channels of electronics.

Now comes the real tape deck for 1/4 inch, the 4 channel 4 track deck. It has 4 
complete erase, record, play heads and 4 channels of electronics. You can select 
tracks 1 and 4 and get a fairly good play of a two track recording and if you 
start with an erased tape, you can get a fairly good recording of two track. For 
Mono you just listen to all four channels and record on all four channels on an 
erased tape. For four track stereo you choose tracks 1 and 3 sand swap reels to 
get the reverse tracks. It does everything. These decks were originally used for 
quad, but now are very poipular for these reasons. Some very fine 4 channel 
decks were made including the Teac 2340,3340,44,40-4,22-4, Akai 1730 and more, 
Sony something I have somewhere.

WBob

Fred Olsen wrote:

> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> 
>> do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu 
>> meters and the
>> four track had four VU meters.   
> 
> etc.
> 
>> Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are 
>> there not
>> stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction 
>> and use
>> 1/8 inch per track?
> 
> etc.
> 
> Duane, this discussion has been mixing "four track" with "quarter-track" 
> and "two track" with "half-track".  Speaking about stereo machines using 
> quarter inch tape, a half-track machine uses (somewhat less than) an 
> eighth inch per track, or channel, and runs in one direction.  A 
> quarter-track machine uses (somewhat less than) a sixteenth inch per 
> track, or channel, made up of tracks one and three in the forward 
> direction and two and four in the reverse.  And except for the R/P head 
> it's the same with either manual reverse (flop the reels) or auto 
> reverse.  A quarter-track stereo machine still has only two channels.
> (All of that subject to errors of recall; anyone please correct me if 
> required.)
> 
> There were some "quad" decks which had four channels and four meters and 
> used a quarter-track transport in one direction only.  Thank goodness 
> quad died its well-deserved death.
> 
> With half inch and one inch decks you're getting into the realm of pro 
> gear and there are several variations, but most run in only one direction.
> 
> Fred


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 18:22:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (AA6DX)
Date: Thu Sep 25 17:22:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models
References: <200309251946.h8PJkwt29508@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <10ed01c383aa$76b24760$7562ce3f@desk>

FOR THE REAL SCOOP ON THIS MACHINE, check this URL
http://www.bassboy.com.au/getreel/cc/samples/b77.htm
It is getting confused here ... and I'm not helping too much, so will try
again!  The tracks used on the 77 was TWO ... in one direction, or in the
case of the stereo machine, you can turn the tape over, as opposed to
rewinding it, and "play the other side".  The tracks are laid out, in this
instance, every other of four going the same direction.   This is NOT a FOUR
CHANNEL MACHINE, which is a different animal!  In the 4 track version,
tracks one and three are used for the left and right channels in one
direction, and two and four the other way. On the two track version, the
tape passes over the heads in only one direction.  There is less crosstalk,
and the amount of tape width available to impose a signal on is actually
more than twice as much.  It is very possible to change a machine from one
type to the other, by changing the heads, and setting the equalization for
said same.
Auto-reverse machines have four "slots" on their read head, and it varies by
the machine whether or not it will record both directions.  Most did not, so
the record head would not have the 4 "slots", only 2.  Then, you get into
auto-reverse 3-head machines, which were the most likely to need alignment
done more often than the others.
   The 8-track cartridge machines used the every-other method of putting the
information on tape, so 1 and 3, 2 and 4, 5 and 7. and 6 and 8 were the
tracks used for the stereo signal.  Hence, the klunk klunk klunk klunk of
the head alignment solenoid as it (hopefully) aligned the head with the
tape!   The rubber wheel that contacted the capstan was within the 8 track's
cassette.  The four track, such as Muntz made famous, had the wheel within
the machine, many thought that was way superior.  The broadcast derivative
of that system is in use to this very day, used in mono and stereo versions!
The advantage of the Lear Jet 8 track was that the tape itself was one half
as long for an album!  And . the player could be produced more cheaply. You
can read that as "dollars"!
   And then .. the cassette...started out pretty mundanely, used for voice
recordings, and like that, in the 1960s.  Became used more and more in the
early 70s, and by 1975 or so, was actually a pretty good audio device.
Here, there is a difference.   The cassette, as we all know, goes both
directions.  Simply turn it over, and play the other side.  Or, an
auto-reverse mechanism became quite popular, still is!   The "beauty" of the
cassettes ... the tracks lie side by side!
This makes the cassette itself playable in either a stereo or mono player,
without missing any of the information recorded on it.  On the other hand,
it creates a very difficult medium for high fidelity recording on the very
narrow tape!  Thinking about that, pretty amazing what was accomplished!
There was a lot of money made on "selling the sizzle" on cassette tape
decks.  Like, Nakamichi.    Interesting period in audio history!

We are just about done with tape, and things that spin, whirl, etc.  In my
opinion, the state of art of the recording industry will be totally solid
state, using the new techniques for making non-volatile memory available by
the gobs, and we will look even more fondly in the future on splicers, tape
storage techniques, the accessories (head cleaners, swabs, lubricants, tape
carriers, tape holders, and all that stuff).  Same holds true for video.  I
am sure there will be those in the next ten years or so who claim to hear "a
sweeter sound" on their Revox reel to reel, than on the newest digital
version of the Electric Light Orchestra's finest hits of the 70s!

Cheers, y'all! There went my lunch hour.. now back to work!   Mark  Eureka,
Far Northern California

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Revox Models


>
>
> Yes, Revox did make a two and a four track version of the B77. I am told,
and I
> do not know how true this is, that the two track deck had two vu meters
and the
> four track had four VU meters.
>
> Now I have never had a deck with more than two meters. The Teac A-5500 is
a high
> end two track both directions deck, it has two meters. The Revox B77 that
my
> cousin has is two tracks both directions and has two meters. My Revox B77
is a
> two track one direction and has two meters.
>
> Hence, I think we are confusing tracks here. Correct me here, but are
there not
> stereo two track machines for quarter inch tape that are one direction and
use
> 1/8 inch per track? Then are there not two track stereo decks that are
> bi-directional that use 1/16 inch per track? Then are there not decks that
use
> four tracks in one direction only? Then what about the decks that use half
inch
> audio tape instead of quarter inch?
>
> Perhaps somebody can enlighten us as to the proper nomenclature as to each
of
> these head variations from half track to two track to four track to ...
>
> Duane W8DBF
>
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Thu Sep 25 18:52:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Thu Sep 25 17:52:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers - Help
Message-ID: <200309252147.h8PLl5t08147@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings, 	

	
I just accidentally came across a pair of JVC speakers. Each cabinet has two 15
inch woofers and three tweeters. Someone I know saw them for sale locally and
called me. I have no idea what quality these are, nor do I know the model
number. I do know they are big and they weigh about 50 pounds each, perhaps
more.	
	
Do any of you know anything about JVC and what this model might be and when it
was made? Value?	
	
Thanks.	
	
Duane W8DBF	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 13:41:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 26 12:41:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Message-ID: <200309261635.h8QGZgt16671@hades.usol.com>

	
Today I went to see/hear the pair of JVC speakers I heard about in my locality
yesterday. Here is what I found. 	
	
They emeasure 42 high, 15 wide and 11 deep. They contain two 12 inch woofers, a
single 5 inch midrange and three tweeters. They are labeled on the back as a
"six way system". Power rateing is 180 watts RMS, 600 watts peak. Two rear
ports. Weight is about 50 lbs. The price on the back is $895. Even says "Made In
The USA", but being as JVC is Japanese, somehow I doubt this.    	
	
I failed to memorize the model number, will get it later. I am guessing they are
eighties vintage.  		
	
I took along a CD I made up with seven selections intended to demonstrate a
variety of frequency ranges. The speakers performed well below 100 Hz with no
distortion. The highs were crisp and clean. Bass response was snappy, nothing
muddy. Mids were clear and voices were very intelligible. They performed well.
All foam suspension was in excellent condition and the cabinets had only a few
minor skuffmarks on them. The price was right, so home they came.   	
	
While my demo CD was playing several wandered up who were interested in buying
the speakers! They hung around in case I did not buy them. Maybe I should have
offered to sell the seller my demo/test CD! Actually the guy that took me to the
place where the speakers were said he really like the CD, so I gave it to him.
He is almost seventy!     	
	
These are going to be the mains for the H.H. Scott LK-72b amplifier and I am
going to use the Paradigm Monitor 9s as the center channel speakers with the
LK-48b amplifier. This system should really rock the house, literally! 	
	
Duane W8DBF	
	
P.S. If any of you know the model of the JVC speakers described above, please
let me know.   
	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 14:09:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Fri Sep 26 13:09:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
In-Reply-To: <200309261635.h8QGZgt16671@hades.usol.com>
References: <200309261635.h8QGZgt16671@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F7471FA.5090607@csnsys.com>

Are both of the 12 inchers active? If it has rear ports, they probably are, 
although it was common in those days to have a passive cone rather than a port. 
to resonate the lows lower. The key is that it sounds good. So much about 
speakers is totally subjective and not based upon much science.

WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> 	
> Today I went to see/hear the pair of JVC speakers I heard about in my locality
> yesterday. Here is what I found. 	
> 	
> They emeasure 42 high, 15 wide and 11 deep. They contain two 12 inch woofers, a
> single 5 inch midrange and three tweeters. They are labeled on the back as a
> "six way system". Power rateing is 180 watts RMS, 600 watts peak. Two rear
> ports. Weight is about 50 lbs. The price on the back is $895. Even says "Made In
> The USA", but being as JVC is Japanese, somehow I doubt this.    	
> 	
> I failed to memorize the model number, will get it later. I am guessing they are
> eighties vintage.  		
> 	
> I took along a CD I made up with seven selections intended to demonstrate a
> variety of frequency ranges. The speakers performed well below 100 Hz with no
> distortion. The highs were crisp and clean. Bass response was snappy, nothing
> muddy. Mids were clear and voices were very intelligible. They performed well.
> All foam suspension was in excellent condition and the cabinets had only a few
> minor skuffmarks on them. The price was right, so home they came.   	
> 	
> While my demo CD was playing several wandered up who were interested in buying
> the speakers! They hung around in case I did not buy them. Maybe I should have
> offered to sell the seller my demo/test CD! Actually the guy that took me to the
> place where the speakers were said he really like the CD, so I gave it to him.
> He is almost seventy!     	
> 	
> These are going to be the mains for the H.H. Scott LK-72b amplifier and I am
> going to use the Paradigm Monitor 9s as the center channel speakers with the
> LK-48b amplifier. This system should really rock the house, literally! 	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF	
> 	
> P.S. If any of you know the model of the JVC speakers described above, please
> let me know.   
> 	
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 15:45:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 26 14:45:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Message-ID: <200309261840.h8QIeHt26513@hades.usol.com>

They both appear to be active. I can feel them move in phase with each other.
his is a 'six way' system, so it says. One twelve inch is from 1000 Khz down to
300 Hz and the other from 300 Hz down to 30 Hz. The midrange from 1000 Khz to
3000 Khz and the three tweeters are split off above that, but I do not remember
the cut off points. 	
	
Duane W8DBF 	
 

----------
From: WBob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:06 PM

Are both of the 12 inchers active? If it has rear ports, they probably are, 
although it was common in those days to have a passive cone rather than a port. 
to resonate the lows lower. The key is that it sounds good. So much about 
speakers is totally subjective and not based upon much science.

WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> 	
> Today I went to see/hear the pair of JVC speakers I heard about in my locality
> yesterday. Here is what I found. 	
> 	
> They emeasure 42 high, 15 wide and 11 deep. They contain two 12 inch woofers,
a
> single 5 inch midrange and three tweeters. They are labeled on the back as a
> "six way system". Power rateing is 180 watts RMS, 600 watts peak. Two rear
> ports. Weight is about 50 lbs. The price on the back is $895. Even says "Made
In
> The USA", but being as JVC is Japanese, somehow I doubt this.    	
> 	
> I failed to memorize the model number, will get it later. I am guessing they
are
> eighties vintage.  		
> 	
> I took along a CD I made up with seven selections intended to demonstrate a
> variety of frequency ranges. The speakers performed well below 100 Hz with no
> distortion. The highs were crisp and clean. Bass response was snappy, nothing
> muddy. Mids were clear and voices were very intelligible. They performed well.
> All foam suspension was in excellent condition and the cabinets had only a few
> minor skuffmarks on them. The price was right, so home they came.   	
> 	
> While my demo CD was playing several wandered up who were interested in buying
> the speakers! They hung around in case I did not buy them. Maybe I should have
> offered to sell the seller my demo/test CD! Actually the guy that took me to
the
> place where the speakers were said he really like the CD, so I gave it to him.
> He is almost seventy!     	
> 	
> These are going to be the mains for the H.H. Scott LK-72b amplifier and I am
> going to use the Paradigm Monitor 9s as the center channel speakers with the
> LK-48b amplifier. This system should really rock the house, literally! 	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF	
> 	
> P.S. If any of you know the model of the JVC speakers described above, please
> let me know.   
> 	
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
> 
> 

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 15:53:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Mike Clarson)
Date: Fri Sep 26 14:53:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
In-Reply-To: <200309261635.h8QGZgt16671@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c3845e$bd78aae0$86010c0a@clarson>

Duane: You have my curiosity up-- what was on the CD?--Mike, WV2ZOW

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 17:09:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 26 16:09:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Message-ID: <200309262004.h8QK42t32758@hades.usol.com>

Mike, 	
	
Because you asked: 	
	
1. J.D. sumner and The Stamps Quartet. Southern Gospel. J.D. Sumner is the
lowest bass singer in the world. He is documented at 32 Hz! This was live and
outside. He was going to retire because of throat problems, and was training a
replacement to sing bass, a young man named Richard Sterbin. The Stamps sang
behind Elvis Presley the last seven years of Elvis's life. Elvis did not want
J.D. to retire and begged him to stay on. J.D. did and got Richard a job with
the Oakridge Boys, where Richard still is today. This was 1972, by the way. This
is a song J.D. wrote called "Walk That Lonesome Road" There are some note son
there that will separate the woofers from the wimps!  	
	
2. Floyd Cramer, the noted RCA Nashville studio piano wizard. This song is
Cotton Fields with some fantastic notes off a harmonica played by Charlie McCoy.
	
	
3. Lacy J. Dalton, a Country vocalist doing "Sixteenth Avenue". A great slower
tune with wonderful lyrics, but some sharp bass guitar notes that make a good
woofr snap, instead of a muffled or muddy note. 	
	
4. Pete Fountain, noted dixieland jazz clarinet player. A longer song with
several of the band's musicians being featured, trombone, saxophone, drums and
so forth. 	
	
5. Arlo Guthrie. A folk singer with perhaps the best rendition ever of "The
Spirit Of New Orleans". Nice vocal with terrific background instrumental. 	
	
6. Guitars Unlimited. Beautiful rendition of "The Girl From Ipenema" (sp?)
Several different types of guitars with audio pick up. You can hear the musician
pluck the strings. 		
	
7. Olivia Newton John. Her hit from about 1974 "If You Love Me Let Me Know".
Nice mix with a bass singer in the background and nice clear high notes.

     	 

----------
From: Mike Clarson <mclarson@rcc.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:48 PM


Duane: You have my curiosity up-- what was on the CD?--Mike, WV2ZOW
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 17:26:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Fri Sep 26 16:26:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
In-Reply-To: <200309261840.h8QIeHt26513@hades.usol.com>
References: <200309261840.h8QIeHt26513@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F74A03F.60601@csnsys.com>

Well narrow bands and lots of them are good from the "doppler" distortion point 
of view, but bad because of the crossover distortion point of view.

WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> They both appear to be active. I can feel them move in phase with each other.
> his is a 'six way' system, so it says. One twelve inch is from 1000 Khz down to
> 300 Hz and the other from 300 Hz down to 30 Hz. The midrange from 1000 Khz to
> 3000 Khz and the three tweeters are split off above that, but I do not remember
> the cut off points. 	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF 	
>  
> 
> ----------
> From: WBob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:06 PM
> 
> Are both of the 12 inchers active? If it has rear ports, they probably are, 
> although it was common in those days to have a passive cone rather than a port. 
> to resonate the lows lower. The key is that it sounds good. So much about 
> speakers is totally subjective and not based upon much science.
> 
> WBob
> 
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
> 
> 
>>	
>>Today I went to see/hear the pair of JVC speakers I heard about in my locality
>>yesterday. Here is what I found. 	
>>	
>>They emeasure 42 high, 15 wide and 11 deep. They contain two 12 inch woofers,
> 
> a
> 
>>single 5 inch midrange and three tweeters. They are labeled on the back as a
>>"six way system". Power rateing is 180 watts RMS, 600 watts peak. Two rear
>>ports. Weight is about 50 lbs. The price on the back is $895. Even says "Made
> 
> In
> 
>>The USA", but being as JVC is Japanese, somehow I doubt this.    	
>>	
>>I failed to memorize the model number, will get it later. I am guessing they
> 
> are
> 
>>eighties vintage.  		
>>	
>>I took along a CD I made up with seven selections intended to demonstrate a
>>variety of frequency ranges. The speakers performed well below 100 Hz with no
>>distortion. The highs were crisp and clean. Bass response was snappy, nothing
>>muddy. Mids were clear and voices were very intelligible. They performed well.
>>All foam suspension was in excellent condition and the cabinets had only a few
>>minor skuffmarks on them. The price was right, so home they came.   	
>>	
>>While my demo CD was playing several wandered up who were interested in buying
>>the speakers! They hung around in case I did not buy them. Maybe I should have
>>offered to sell the seller my demo/test CD! Actually the guy that took me to
> 
> the
> 
>>place where the speakers were said he really like the CD, so I gave it to him.
>>He is almost seventy!     	
>>	
>>These are going to be the mains for the H.H. Scott LK-72b amplifier and I am
>>going to use the Paradigm Monitor 9s as the center channel speakers with the
>>LK-48b amplifier. This system should really rock the house, literally! 	
>>	
>>Duane W8DBF	
>>	
>>P.S. If any of you know the model of the JVC speakers described above, please
>>let me know.   
>>	
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
>>
>>
> 
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 17:56:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Fri Sep 26 16:56:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
In-Reply-To: <200309262004.h8QK42t32758@hades.usol.com>
References: <200309262004.h8QK42t32758@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <3F74A738.9070005@csnsys.com>

I downloaded a sample of JD Sumner from Amazon and your are right. He do get 
down there a bit in "lonesome road". Problem is I can't capture it and have it 
come out of the main system here in the office, but only out of my (very good) 
computer audio system (Cambridge SoundWorks).

WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> Mike, 	
> 	
> Because you asked: 	
> 	
> 1. J.D. sumner and The Stamps Quartet. Southern Gospel. J.D. Sumner is the
> lowest bass singer in the world. He is documented at 32 Hz! This was live and
> outside. He was going to retire because of throat problems, and was training a
> replacement to sing bass, a young man named Richard Sterbin. The Stamps sang
> behind Elvis Presley the last seven years of Elvis's life. Elvis did not want
> J.D. to retire and begged him to stay on. J.D. did and got Richard a job with
> the Oakridge Boys, where Richard still is today. This was 1972, by the way. This
> is a song J.D. wrote called "Walk That Lonesome Road" There are some note son
> there that will separate the woofers from the wimps!  	
> 	
> 2. Floyd Cramer, the noted RCA Nashville studio piano wizard. This song is
> Cotton Fields with some fantastic notes off a harmonica played by Charlie McCoy.
> 	
> 	
> 3. Lacy J. Dalton, a Country vocalist doing "Sixteenth Avenue". A great slower
> tune with wonderful lyrics, but some sharp bass guitar notes that make a good
> woofr snap, instead of a muffled or muddy note. 	
> 	
> 4. Pete Fountain, noted dixieland jazz clarinet player. A longer song with
> several of the band's musicians being featured, trombone, saxophone, drums and
> so forth. 	
> 	
> 5. Arlo Guthrie. A folk singer with perhaps the best rendition ever of "The
> Spirit Of New Orleans". Nice vocal with terrific background instrumental. 	
> 	
> 6. Guitars Unlimited. Beautiful rendition of "The Girl From Ipenema" (sp?)
> Several different types of guitars with audio pick up. You can hear the musician
> pluck the strings. 		
> 	
> 7. Olivia Newton John. Her hit from about 1974 "If You Love Me Let Me Know".
> Nice mix with a bass singer in the background and nice clear high notes.
> 
>      	 
> 
> ----------
> From: Mike Clarson <mclarson@rcc.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:48 PM
> 
> 
> Duane: You have my curiosity up-- what was on the CD?--Mike, WV2ZOW
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Sep 26 18:31:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 26 17:31:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Message-ID: <200309262125.h8QLPct08617@hades.usol.com>

Bob, 	
	
I can burn anything you want on CD, just ask - 	
	
He set the record for the lowest note by a bass singer on Blessed Assurance on
the Stamps album entitled "The Incomparable Stamps". That is in the Ginnis Book
Of World Records, or was the last I knew. I am 'certain' nobody broke the
record! I doubt that anyone ever will either. 	
	
I knew him personally, (he passed away while on tour in FL several years ago),
and unless you heard that man sing live, you have no idea what he could do with
a bass note! He could actually sing down there below 100Hz, not just growl.
Unbelievable.   	
	
I remember one time when he was here in Flint and when he came on stage they
turned down the house PA systems! he still made the floor literally vibrate. I
had a Coke in my hand and the cup was actually vibrating! What he did was real,
no electronic tricks. The last I heard him sing live, a friend of mine who is
also a bass singer, and his group were singing with the Stamps as the opening
act. He could see the EQ and it was set flat. J.D. was seventy-two at the time
and about destroyed all the speakers in the place! In fact, the woofers they had
started to distort he drove them so hard! They had to switch to the sound system
the Stamps carry with them during intermission. All Bose, by the way. There were
two Bose 302 bass cabinets and old J.D. brought the place down, almost
literally! What a voice! 	
	
That is one really nice thing about my thirty years on stage. I was good enough,
and became well known enough, that I got invited back stage whenever the
entertainers found out I was in the house audience. Even though I was a
professional Magician/Illusionist, and they were
actors/singers/musicians/comedians, an entertainer is still an entertainer. I
got to meet some really great people, and some not so nice ones too! Egos do
abound in the entertainment world, perhaps more so than some other places.
However, politicians hold the record for largest ego!      	
	
The sweetest female I met was Marie Osmond. The greatest nice guy was James
Garner. Probably the most real on/off stage was Jimmy Stewart, an incredible
person. Most fantastic female overall, had to be Olivia Newton John. Terrific
talent and first class lady. If I keep this up, I may have to come out of
retirement! Why not, seems like everybody else is doing a farewell tour!	
	
DBF	


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From: WBob <wolfbob@csnsys.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:53 PM

I downloaded a sample of JD Sumner from Amazon and your are right. He do get 
down there a bit in "lonesome road". Problem is I can't capture it and have it 
come out of the main system here in the office, but only out of my (very good) 
computer audio system (Cambridge SoundWorks).

WBob

Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:

> Mike, 	
> 	
> Because you asked: 	
> 	
> 1. J.D. sumner and The Stamps Quartet. Southern Gospel. J.D. Sumner is the
> lowest bass singer in the world. He is documented at 32 Hz! This was live and
> outside. He was going to retire because of throat problems, and was training a
> replacement to sing bass, a young man named Richard Sterbin. The Stamps sang
> behind Elvis Presley the last seven years of Elvis's life. Elvis did not want
> J.D. to retire and begged him to stay on. J.D. did and got Richard a job with
> the Oakridge Boys, where Richard still is today. This was 1972, by the way.
This
> is a song J.D. wrote called "Walk That Lonesome Road" There are some note son
> there that will separate the woofers from the wimps!  	
> 	
> 2. Floyd Cramer, the noted RCA Nashville studio piano wizard. This song is
> Cotton Fields with some fantastic notes off a harmonica played by Charlie
McCoy.
> 	
> 	
> 3. Lacy J. Dalton, a Country vocalist doing "Sixteenth Avenue". A great slower
> tune with wonderful lyrics, but some sharp bass guitar notes that make a good
> woofr snap, instead of a muffled or muddy note. 	
> 	
> 4. Pete Fountain, noted dixieland jazz clarinet player. A longer song with
> several of the band's musicians being featured, trombone, saxophone, drums and
> so forth. 	
> 	
> 5. Arlo Guthrie. A folk singer with perhaps the best rendition ever of "The
> Spirit Of New Orleans". Nice vocal with terrific background instrumental. 	
> 	
> 6. Guitars Unlimited. Beautiful rendition of "The Girl From Ipenema" (sp?)
> Several different types of guitars with audio pick up. You can hear the
musician
> pluck the strings. 		
> 	
> 7. Olivia Newton John. Her hit from about 1974 "If You Love Me Let Me Know".
> Nice mix with a bass singer in the background and nice clear high notes.
> 
>      	 
> 
> ----------
> From: Mike Clarson <mclarson@rcc.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:48 PM
> 
> 
> Duane: You have my curiosity up-- what was on the CD?--Mike, WV2ZOW
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep 27 00:06:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Fri Sep 26 23:06:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
References: <200309262125.h8QLPct08617@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <016901c384a3$ad325b00$6401a8c0@pavillion>

> He set the record for the lowest note by a bass singer on Blessed
Assurance on
> the Stamps album entitled "The Incomparable Stamps". That is in the Ginnis
Book
> Of World Records, or was the last I knew. I am 'certain' nobody broke the
> record! I doubt that anyone ever will either.

Like Duane, I have been a long-time fan of J.D. Sumner, who as Duane says
could actually sing in the lowest vocal range.  But records are made to be
broken, although I doubt many woofer-testers will be able to hear the
difference - the three bass-note record holders are explained at
http://bransongs.com/ :

THE WORLD'S LOWEST BASS SINGER is Tim Storms of Branson's "50's at the Hop"
show at Branson Mall. Storms can hit a note as low as 8 hertz, inaudible to
the human ear and slightly more than an octave below the previous record of
16.5, according to a video report by KY3 News Anchor Jerry Jacobs aired
Sunday morning on Nashville's Channel 5. In the past, the title of lowest
bass singer was previously held by another Branson artist, Dan Britton of
Pierce Arrow and also the late J.D.Sumner of the Stamps Quartet.

73, Bob W9RAN



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep 27 00:50:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Sep 26 23:50:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Message-ID: <200309270344.h8R3ivt02147@hades.usol.com>

The difference is, J.D.Sumner is documented by instrumentation, and certified.
The others are not. Making a noise is one thing, singing is quite another!	
	
I will put my money on J.D. Sumner as I know he did it for real without any
eelectronic trickery and I heard him do it for forty years!	
	
Next Bob go find me another totally blind professional magician/illusionist,
there are several who were legally blind. The late Duke Sturn among them. The
ones I found making that claim could do a trick or two, but not a one of them
were able to do a performance. My point? Singing is one thing, making a noise is
another. If J.D. could sing at 32 Hz, I am sure he could burp at -10 Hz!  Ha Ha.

  

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From: Robert Nickels <w9ran@oneradio.net>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] JVC Speakers
Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:00 PM

> He set the record for the lowest note by a bass singer on Blessed
Assurance on
> the Stamps album entitled "The Incomparable Stamps". That is in the Ginnis
Book
> Of World Records, or was the last I knew. I am 'certain' nobody broke the
> record! I doubt that anyone ever will either.

Like Duane, I have been a long-time fan of J.D. Sumner, who as Duane says
could actually sing in the lowest vocal range.  But records are made to be
broken, although I doubt many woofer-testers will be able to hear the
difference - the three bass-note record holders are explained at
http://bransongs.com/ :

THE WORLD'S LOWEST BASS SINGER is Tim Storms of Branson's "50's at the Hop"
show at Branson Mall. Storms can hit a note as low as 8 hertz, inaudible to
the human ear and slightly more than an octave below the previous record of
16.5, according to a video report by KY3 News Anchor Jerry Jacobs aired
Sunday morning on Nashville's Channel 5. In the past, the title of lowest
bass singer was previously held by another Branson artist, Dan Britton of
Pierce Arrow and also the late J.D.Sumner of the Stamps Quartet.

73, Bob W9RAN


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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Sep 27 17:21:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Sep 27 16:21:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re JVC Speakers, Info Needed
Message-ID: <200309272016.h8RKGCt00484@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings, 	
	
Here is the model number of the JVC speakers: V-225-1 	
	
If you could possibly do a search for me and tell me:	
	
year manufactured: 	
	
weight:	
	
crossover frequencies:	
	
type of crossover networks:	
	
	
Thank you!	
	
Duane W8DBF   	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Sep 28 18:16:59 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Sun Sep 28 17:16:59 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] woofer repair
Message-ID: <20030928.141135.28202.211938@webmail16.nyc.untd.com>

Hello friends,

Has anyone used any of the woofer surround repair kits from WooferRepair of Lexington, KY? Or do you have any other recommendations?

Thanks, Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Sep 28 18:31:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Sep 28 17:31:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] woofer repair
Message-ID: <200309282126.h8SLQ9t30047@hades.usol.com>

Curt, 	
	
You might check the list archives, as this topic has been discussed several
times during the past year. A number of sources mentioned there, as well as pros
and cons. You can search them from the HCI web site:	
	
http://www.w9wze.org 	
	
Duane W8DBF	


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From: k4tl@netzero.com
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] woofer repair
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:11 PM


Hello friends,

Has anyone used any of the woofer surround repair kits from WooferRepair of
Lexington, KY? Or do you have any other recommendations?

Thanks, Curt

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Sep 28 19:16:04 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net)
Date: Sun Sep 28 18:16:04 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] woofer repair
Message-ID: <20030928.151011.13510.205706@webmail12.nyc.untd.com>

Duane,

Thanks for the tip and the web address concerning the woofer surrounds.

73, Curt, K4TL

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Sep 29 19:55:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Sep 29 18:55:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re JVC Speaker Model
Message-ID: <200309292250.h8TMo9t03942@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings, 	
	
Thus far, nobody has been able to find out anything about the JVC model V-225-1
speakers I purchased. I did notice one thing that may be of some help. It says,
"professional silver series" on the back. Perhaps these are commercial grade and
not consumer grade? However, in my opinion, they are not rugged enough to be
commercial grade based on my experience on stage with such sound equipment.
Maybe these are meant to be studio monitors, however.	
	
Thanks for the continued search - 	
	
DBF 	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Sep 30 15:48:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue Sep 30 14:48:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re JVC Speaker Model
In-Reply-To: <200309292250.h8TMo9t03942@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030930144225.022b0d90@mail01.amdiac.net>

Duane wrote:

>  JVC model V-225-1  are not rugged enough to be
>commercial grade based on my experience on stage

Maybe they were studio monitors which were bolted in place and left there.

Roy




