From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Apr  1 02:35:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Terry Maton)
Date: Tue Apr  1 02:35:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
In-Reply-To: <3E8882BD.4060009@execpc.com>
References: <200303311718.h2VHIGW28830@hades.usol.com> <3E8882BD.4060009@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200304010829.AA29550006@knightair.org>

Sorry, I thought the country was apparent from my 'G' callsign.

Actually it's in Greater London; 'Middlesex' is one of the counties that 
got absorbed but the Post Office keeps it as a Postal region, hence I 
listed the correct address.

Anyway, Sellanby is a great shop for vinyl!

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Olsen <fwolsen@execpc.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:02:37 -0600
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop

> County of Middlesex.  It's England, not Canada, but he didn't clearly 
> say so.
> 
> Fred
> -----
> <><
> -----
> Outgoing checked by Norton AV
> 
> 
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Apr  1 14:45:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Tue Apr  1 14:45:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
Message-ID: <200304011941.h31JfeW04998@hades.usol.com>

So how does one procure a listing of what they have in stock? Is there an e-mail
address? 		
Tnx.	
	
DBF 	


----------
From: Terry Maton <terry_maton@knightair.org>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
Date: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:29 AM

Sorry, I thought the country was apparent from my 'G' callsign.

Actually it's in Greater London; 'Middlesex' is one of the counties that 
got absorbed but the Post Office keeps it as a Postal region, hence I 
listed the correct address.

Anyway, Sellanby is a great shop for vinyl!

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Olsen <fwolsen@execpc.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:02:37 -0600
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop

> County of Middlesex.  It's England, not Canada, but he didn't clearly 
> say so.
> 
> Fred
> -----
> <><
> -----
> Outgoing checked by Norton AV
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Wed Apr  2 05:09:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Terry Maton)
Date: Wed Apr  2 05:09:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
In-Reply-To: <200304011941.h31JfeW04998@hades.usol.com>
References: <200304011941.h31JfeW04998@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200304021105.AA05170013@knightair.org>

Not that I know of -- all I have is the phone number, which I'll update 
for international dialling:  (+44)(0)20 8866 0471

When I lived close by I used to call in at the shop, but these days it's 
only when I happen to be passing that way, since I'm now the other side 
of London.

Terry.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop

> So how does one procure a listing of what they have in stock? Is there
> an e-mail address? 		
> Tnx.	
> 	
> DBF 	
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: Terry Maton <terry_maton@knightair.org>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
> Date: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:29 AM
> 
> Sorry, I thought the country was apparent from my 'G' callsign.
> 
> Actually it's in Greater London; 'Middlesex' is one of the counties
> that 
> got absorbed but the Post Office keeps it as a Postal region, hence I 
> listed the correct address.
> 
> Anyway, Sellanby is a great shop for vinyl!
> 
> Terry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Olsen <fwolsen@execpc.com>
> To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:02:37 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Your Favorite Vinyl Shop
> 
> > County of Middlesex.  It's England, not Canada, but he didn't clearly
> > say so.
> > 
> > Fred
> > -----
> > <><
> > -----
> > Outgoing checked by Norton AV


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Fri Apr 11 22:49:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Fri Apr 11 21:49:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] H. Scott Specifications
Message-ID: <200304120144.h3C1iu206089@hades.usol.com>

	
Hello All, 	
	
Does anyone know the weight for the LT-110, LK-48 and LK-72? It can be with, or
without, the cabinet. Please indicate which it is, however. 	
	
Thank you.  	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
  

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Apr 13 19:00:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sun Apr 13 18:00:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Replacement Speakers
Message-ID: <200304132156.h3DLuS226639@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings All, 	
	
My son-in-law has a pair of Kenwood three-way speakers from the early eighties.
The 12 inch woofer in each used foam suspension. We all know what that means! I
could get the foam replaced, but these were not expensive speakrs to begin with,
middle of the road. Infinite baffle with cloth fronts held on with velcro. The
question is: Where can I purchase some 12 inch woofers to replace these with and
how much?   	
	
These may be headed for the parts department, as the tweeters and mid-range
appear alright. 	
	
Any suggestions? 	
	
Thank you. 	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF	
 

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Apr 13 20:33:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert  J.  McKee)
Date: Sun Apr 13 19:33:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Replacement Speakers
References: <200304132156.h3DLuS226639@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <021101c30215$40c30fc0$5b23f7a5@b5z1q8>

Duane, I have two favorite sources for speakers and
speaker system components.  Tops on my list is
North Creek http://www.northcreekmusic.com/ as
they are the best... and they do a lot of improvement
recomendations/kits.  The second is Zalytron and they
have what seems like zillions of raw speakers to suit
just about any need.  Their URL is
http://www.zalytron.com/ .  Either place will give good
advice and great service with their sales.
Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer@usol.com>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Replacement Speakers


>
>
> Greetings All,
>
> My son-in-law has a pair of Kenwood three-way speakers from
the early eighties.
> The 12 inch woofer in each used foam suspension. We all know
what that means! I
> could get the foam replaced, but these were not expensive
speakrs to begin with,
> middle of the road. Infinite baffle with cloth fronts held
on with velcro. The
> question is: Where can I purchase some 12 inch woofers to
replace these with and
> how much?
>
> These may be headed for the parts department, as the
tweeters and mid-range
> appear alright.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Apr 13 22:24:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Sun Apr 13 21:24:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Replacement Speakers
References: <200304132156.h3DLuS226639@hades.usol.com>
Message-ID: <014d01c30223$f93ecfe0$6401a8c0@pavillion>

> Where can I purchase some 12 inch woofers to replace these with and
> how much?

Duane, I suggest Parts Express - http://www.partsexpress.com/   They have a
pretty good range of speakers including 12" from $35 each and up.   "Way
Up", I should say - but I suspect that one of the modestly priced woofers
would be a good replacement for the type of speaker you described.

73, Bob W9RAN

PS:  Does anyone remember the old McGee Radio out of Kansas City?  Now THERE
was a speaker catalog!


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Apr 13 22:48:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Robert  J.  McKee)
Date: Sun Apr 13 21:48:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re Replacement Speakers
References: <200304132156.h3DLuS226639@hades.usol.com> <014d01c30223$f93ecfe0$6401a8c0@pavillion>
Message-ID: <025b01c30228$06d251a0$5b23f7a5@b5z1q8>

<snip>>
> PS:  Does anyone remember the old McGee Radio out of Kansas
City?  Now THERE
> was a speaker catalog!
>
Their passing was a great loss to the speaker builder.  If you
knew what you wanted it was probably available from McGee
at the absolute rock bottom price available anywhere.  The
cut and pasted catalog they had was a must-read from cover
to cover... if only for the misspelled words!
Bob McKee



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 12:12:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 19 11:12:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <200304191508.h3JF8q202616@hades.usol.com>

	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
system? 	
	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area without
sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
	
Duane W8DBF  	


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 12:39:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Charlie Dumar)
Date: Sat Apr 19 11:39:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <01C30667.B572BEA0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com>

I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.

If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use 
a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after 
much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground 
loop.

If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it 
for mono.  The recordings will sound better.

If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that 
these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used 
during the early days.

Charlie, W2KNL



-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a 
computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
system? 	
	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area 
without
sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
	
Duane W8DBF  	

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 20:46:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 19 19:46:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <200304192343.h3JNhB201365@hades.usol.com>

Charlie, 	
	
1. No, all of my systems are dedicated. I hate cable! The entire stereo system
is music, no TV or anything else run through it. It is a little sound studio.	
	
2. The vintage stereo system, the H. Scott, is dedicated as well. It has its own
speaker system.	
	
3. The surround sound system is also just for the Pioneer big screen TV, only
Laser Disks and DVD and VHS run through it.	
	
4. The Pioneer has its own Sony DSS system, as does the one in the bedroom. 	
	
5. A good point on recording vinyl that was recorded as mono. I need to do
precisely what you suggested. I seldom record from a mono vinyl album, but every
now and then I do. I have done so with hundreds of 45 rpm singles. Most were
remastered, so I got away with it. 	
	
6. I am not sure what, if anything, one can do about the different equalization
curves used in the forties and fifties. Somebody must have solved this issue.
The National Library of Congress, for example. They are busily working on the
"Save Our Sound" project, and many of those recordings are on reel to reel tape,
vinyl and even cylinders. Wonder how they got around this?	
	
Duane W8DBF 	


----------
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:34 AM

I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.

If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use 
a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after 
much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground 
loop.

If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it 
for mono.  The recordings will sound better.

If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that 
these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used 
during the early days.

Charlie, W2KNL



-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a 
computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
system? 	
	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area 
without
sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
	
Duane W8DBF  	

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 

From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 21:49:02 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Charlie Dumar)
Date: Sat Apr 19 20:49:02 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <01C306B4.6ED468C0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com>

If you have a hi-speed connection I can scan some stuff on curves for you and 
email them.  If not I can xerox and snail mail them to you.

One way to compensate is to put an equalizer in the tape loop.  One problem 
arises with the phono preamp.  Since it is set for the standard RIAA curve the 
equalizer has to be set differently than the curves for the old records.  In 
short you have to cancel the RIAA curve and at the same time add the other 
curve.

Another way is to build a preamp into the equalizer but have the equalizer with 
a totally flat response and simply set the equalizer to old curve of the record 
in use.

The info I have has a real decent tube preamp project that covers all the 
curves and is worth looking at.  The filter networks themselves are also shown.

The total pages are maybe 10-15 or so.

Charlie, W2KNL


-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 19:42
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl

Charlie, 	
	
1. No, all of my systems are dedicated. I hate cable! The entire stereo system
is music, no TV or anything else run through it. It is a little sound studio.	
	
2. The vintage stereo system, the H. Scott, is dedicated as well. It has its 
own
speaker system.	
	
3. The surround sound system is also just for the Pioneer big screen TV, only
Laser Disks and DVD and VHS run through it.	
	
4. The Pioneer has its own Sony DSS system, as does the one in the bedroom. 	
	
5. A good point on recording vinyl that was recorded as mono. I need to do
precisely what you suggested. I seldom record from a mono vinyl album, but 
every
now and then I do. I have done so with hundreds of 45 rpm singles. Most were
remastered, so I got away with it. 	
	
6. I am not sure what, if anything, one can do about the different equalization
curves used in the forties and fifties. Somebody must have solved this issue.
The National Library of Congress, for example. They are busily working on the
"Save Our Sound" project, and many of those recordings are on reel to reel 
tape,
vinyl and even cylinders. Wonder how they got around this?	
	
Duane W8DBF 	


----------
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:34 AM

I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.

If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use
a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after
much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground
loop.

If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it
for mono.  The recordings will sound better.

If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
during the early days.

Charlie, W2KNL



-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
system? 	
	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
without
sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
	
Duane W8DBF  	

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **

_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
_______________________________________________
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 22:03:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Sat Apr 19 21:03:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <200304200100.h3K106206021@hades.usol.com>

Charlie, 	
	
No, I do not have a fast connection. Still happy with my 56K modem service. I am
good in qrz.com 	
	
I would very much appreciate having copies of the information you mentioned.
Please let me know the reproduction and postage costs. Thank you very much. 	
	
Duane W8DBF 	


----------
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:44 PM

If you have a hi-speed connection I can scan some stuff on curves for you and 
email them.  If not I can xerox and snail mail them to you.

One way to compensate is to put an equalizer in the tape loop.  One problem 
arises with the phono preamp.  Since it is set for the standard RIAA curve the 
equalizer has to be set differently than the curves for the old records.  In 
short you have to cancel the RIAA curve and at the same time add the other 
curve.

Another way is to build a preamp into the equalizer but have the equalizer with 
a totally flat response and simply set the equalizer to old curve of the record 
in use.

The info I have has a real decent tube preamp project that covers all the 
curves and is worth looking at.  The filter networks themselves are also shown.

The total pages are maybe 10-15 or so.

Charlie, W2KNL


-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 19:42
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl

Charlie, 	
	
1. No, all of my systems are dedicated. I hate cable! The entire stereo system
is music, no TV or anything else run through it. It is a little sound studio.	
	
2. The vintage stereo system, the H. Scott, is dedicated as well. It has its 
own
speaker system.	
	
3. The surround sound system is also just for the Pioneer big screen TV, only
Laser Disks and DVD and VHS run through it.	
	
4. The Pioneer has its own Sony DSS system, as does the one in the bedroom. 	
	
5. A good point on recording vinyl that was recorded as mono. I need to do
precisely what you suggested. I seldom record from a mono vinyl album, but 
every
now and then I do. I have done so with hundreds of 45 rpm singles. Most were
remastered, so I got away with it. 	
	
6. I am not sure what, if anything, one can do about the different equalization
curves used in the forties and fifties. Somebody must have solved this issue.
The National Library of Congress, for example. They are busily working on the
"Save Our Sound" project, and many of those recordings are on reel to reel 
tape,
vinyl and even cylinders. Wonder how they got around this?	
	
Duane W8DBF 	


----------
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:34 AM

I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.

If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use
a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after
much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground
loop.

If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it
for mono.  The recordings will sound better.

If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
during the early days.

Charlie, W2KNL



-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
system? 	
	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
without
sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
	
Duane W8DBF  	

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 22:25:59 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (WBob)
Date: Sat Apr 19 21:25:59 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
References: <01C306B4.6ED468C0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3EA1F666.1080405@csnsys.com>

Here is an excellent discussion of the issues:
http://www.vadlyd.dk/English/RIAA_and_78_RPM_preamp.html

WB

Charlie Dumar wrote:
> If you have a hi-speed connection I can scan some stuff on curves for you and 
> email them.  If not I can xerox and snail mail them to you.
> 
> One way to compensate is to put an equalizer in the tape loop.  One problem 
> arises with the phono preamp.  Since it is set for the standard RIAA curve the 
> equalizer has to be set differently than the curves for the old records.  In 
> short you have to cancel the RIAA curve and at the same time add the other 
> curve.
> 
> Another way is to build a preamp into the equalizer but have the equalizer with 
> a totally flat response and simply set the equalizer to old curve of the record 
> in use.
> 
> The info I have has a real decent tube preamp project that covers all the 
> curves and is worth looking at.  The filter networks themselves are also shown.
> 
> The total pages are maybe 10-15 or so.
> 
> Charlie, W2KNL
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
> Sent:	19 April, 2003 19:42
> To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject:	Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
> 
> Charlie, 	
> 	
> 1. No, all of my systems are dedicated. I hate cable! The entire stereo system
> is music, no TV or anything else run through it. It is a little sound studio.	
> 	
> 2. The vintage stereo system, the H. Scott, is dedicated as well. It has its 
> own
> speaker system.	
> 	
> 3. The surround sound system is also just for the Pioneer big screen TV, only
> Laser Disks and DVD and VHS run through it.	
> 	
> 4. The Pioneer has its own Sony DSS system, as does the one in the bedroom. 	
> 	
> 5. A good point on recording vinyl that was recorded as mono. I need to do
> precisely what you suggested. I seldom record from a mono vinyl album, but 
> every
> now and then I do. I have done so with hundreds of 45 rpm singles. Most were
> remastered, so I got away with it. 	
> 	
> 6. I am not sure what, if anything, one can do about the different equalization
> curves used in the forties and fifties. Somebody must have solved this issue.
> The National Library of Congress, for example. They are busily working on the
> "Save Our Sound" project, and many of those recordings are on reel to reel 
> tape,
> vinyl and even cylinders. Wonder how they got around this?	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF 	
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
> To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
> Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
> Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:34 AM
> 
> I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.
> 
> If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
> disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use
> a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after
> much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground
> loop.
> 
> If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it
> for mono.  The recordings will sound better.
> 
> If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
> these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
> so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
> during the early days.
> 
> Charlie, W2KNL
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
> Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
> To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
> 
> 
> 	
> Greetings All, 	
> 	
> This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
> 	
> I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
> computer.
> I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
> consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
> 	
> Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound
> system? 	
> 	
> Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
> unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
> stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
> grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
> without
> sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there. 	
> 	
> I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies
> when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly
> reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth.
> Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the
> grooves, has changed over the years.  	
> 	
> Duane W8DBF  	
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
> List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> 
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> ** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
> 
> 



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sat Apr 19 23:30:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Charlie Dumar)
Date: Sat Apr 19 22:30:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <01C306C2.AAC89500.cdumar@twcny.rr.com>


-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 20:59
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl

Don't worry about the price.  I will mail out the stuff Monday Tuesday at the 
latest.


Charlie, 	
	
No, I do not have a fast connection. Still happy with my 56K modem service. I 
am
good in qrz.com 	
I would very much appreciate having copies of the information you mentioned.
Please let me know the reproduction and postage costs. Thank you very much. 	
Duane W8DBF 	

----------
From:	Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To:	'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject:	RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date:	Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:44 PM

If you have a hi-speed connection I can scan some stuff on curves for you and 
email them.  If not I can xerox and snail mail them to you.
One way to compensate is to put an equalizer in the tape loop.  One problem 
arises with the phono preamp.  Since it is set for the standard RIAA curve the 
equalizer has to be set differently than the curves for the old records.  In 
short you have to cancel the RIAA curve and at the same time add the other 
curve.
Another way is to build a preamp into the equalizer but have the equalizer with 
a totally flat response and simply set the equalizer to old curve of the record 
in use.
The info I have has a real decent tube preamp project that covers all the 
curves and is worth looking at.  The filter networks themselves are also shown.
The total pages are maybe 10-15 or so.
Charlie, W2KNL

-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 19:42
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl

Charlie, 	
1.	No, all of my systems are dedicated. I hate cable! The entire stereo system 
is music, no TV or anything else run through it. It is a little sound studio.	
2.	The vintage stereo system, the H. Scott, is dedicated as well. It has its 
own speaker system.	
3.	The surround sound system is also just for the Pioneer big screen TV, only 
Laser Disks and DVD and VHS run through it.	
4.	The Pioneer has its own Sony DSS system, as does the one in the bedroom. 	
5.	A good point on recording vinyl that was recorded as mono. I need to do 
precisely what you suggested. I seldom record from a mono vinyl album, but 
every now and then I do. I have done so with hundreds of 45 rpm singles. Most 
were remastered, so I got away with it. 	
6.	I am not sure what, if anything, one can do about the different equalization 
curves used in the forties and fifties. Somebody must have solved this issue. 
 The National Library of Congress, for example. They are busily working on the 
"Save Our Sound" project, and many of those recordings are on reel to reel 
tape, vinyl and even cylinders. Wonder how they got around this?	
	
Duane W8DBF 	

----------
From:	Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To:	'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net'
Subject:	RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date:	Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:34 AM

I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.
If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for recording 
disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording use 
a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings after 
much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a ground 
loop.
If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire it 
for mono.  The recordings will sound better.
If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that 
these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after 1955 of 
so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used 
during the early days.
Charlie, W2KNL


-----Original Message-----
From:	Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
Sent:	19 April, 2003 11:08
To:	vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject:	[Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


	
Greetings All, 	
	
This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch. 	
I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a 
computer.
I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time 
consuming and requires a DAT deck. 	
Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary sound 
system? 	
Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise 
unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the 
stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the 
grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area 
without sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still 
there. 	
I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific frequencies 
when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or greatly 
reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so forth. 
 Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of the 
grooves, has changed over the years.  	
Duane W8DBF  	

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** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Sun Apr 20 15:58:06 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (shadow)
Date: Sun Apr 20 14:58:06 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
References: <01C306B4.6ED468C0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com> <3EA1F666.1080405@csnsys.com>
Message-ID: <3EA2ECA9.2F421A7A@gilroy.com>

Bob....

Excellent information....

TKS for posting it.

Gary
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Apr 21 02:51:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Scott)
Date: Mon Apr 21 01:51:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
References: <01C306B4.6ED468C0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com> <3EA1F666.1080405@csnsys.com> <3EA2ECA9.2F421A7A@gilroy.com>
Message-ID: <3EA385ED.1020606@netsync.net>

To All,
Appreciate the dialog. have been slowly copying my vinyl to Cd and have 
much to learn.
All citations and ref. URLs are appreciated.

Cheers,

Scott  W7GSM

shadow wrote:

>Bob....
>
>Excellent information....
>
>TKS for posting it.
>
>Gary
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com ** 
>
>
>  
>



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Apr 21 12:23:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Steven K. Wenger)
Date: Mon Apr 21 11:23:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <002c01c30819$7fd0c9a0$78d5d80c@default.mchsi.com>

Greetings,

If you can latch onto an old McIntosh tube preamp (C-4 or C-8), they have
multiple EQ settings. My McIntosh C-4 has 11 different labeled settings
(e.g., EUR 78, COL 78, AES, LON LP, etc.).

Steve, W9QLF
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net' <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


>I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.
>
>If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for
recording
>disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording
use
>a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings
after
>much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a
ground
>loop.
>
>If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire
it
>for mono.  The recordings will sound better.
>
>If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
>these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after
1955 of
>so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
>during the early days.
>
>Charlie, W2KNL
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
>Sent: 19 April, 2003 11:08
>To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
>
>
>
>Greetings All,
>
>This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch.
>
>I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
>computer.
>I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
>consuming and requires a DAT deck.
>
>Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary
sound
>system?
>
>Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
>unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
>stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
>grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
>without
>sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there.
>
>I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific
frequencies
>when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or
greatly
>reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so
forth.
>Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of
the
>grooves, has changed over the years.
>
>Duane W8DBF
>
>_______________________________________________
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>_______________________________________________
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Apr 21 14:41:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
Date: Mon Apr 21 13:41:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <200304211736.h3LHauF28718@hades.usol.com>

Steve, 	
	
Gee, wouldn't it be nice if you had a moment of sympathy and sent that to me?
(patented Fischer smirk) But where might one find one nowadays Steve?	
	
DBF 	


----------
From: Steven K. Wenger <steve@wenger.org>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Date: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:20 AM

Greetings,

If you can latch onto an old McIntosh tube preamp (C-4 or C-8), they have
multiple EQ settings. My McIntosh C-4 has 11 different labeled settings
(e.g., EUR 78, COL 78, AES, LON LP, etc.).

Steve, W9QLF
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net' <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


>I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of advice.
>
>If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for
recording
>disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording
use
>a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings
after
>much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a
ground
>loop.
>
>If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire
it
>for mono.  The recordings will sound better.
>
>If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
>these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after
1955 of
>so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
>during the early days.
>
>Charlie, W2KNL
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
>Sent: 19 April, 2003 11:08
>To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
>
>
>
>Greetings All,
>
>This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch.
>
>I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
>computer.
>I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious, time
>consuming and requires a DAT deck.
>
>Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary
sound
>system?
>
>Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
>unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
>stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill the
>grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
>without
>sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there.
>
>I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific
frequencies
>when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or
greatly
>reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so
forth.
>Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of
the
>grooves, has changed over the years.
>
>Duane W8DBF
>
>_______________________________________________
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>
>_______________________________________________
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-audio
>List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>** For Assistance: dfischer@usol.com **
>

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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Apr 21 21:05:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Fred Olsen)
Date: Mon Apr 21 20:05:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] dead site?
References: <002c01c30819$7fd0c9a0$78d5d80c@default.mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <3EA484E5.7040706@execpc.com>

Anyone know where www.retroaudio.ru went?  It was up at least as late as 
10 Apr but it's unavailable now.  Moved or gone?

Thanks,
Fred
-----
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Outgoing checked by Norton AV



From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Mon Apr 21 23:35:00 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Steven K. Wenger)
Date: Mon Apr 21 22:35:00 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
Message-ID: <005b01c30877$50fa0980$78d5d80c@default.mchsi.com>

The McIntosh C-4 and C-8's show up on eBay and they usually go for somewhere
between $75 and $275, depending on condition. There is a catch, though. They
were designed to derive their filament and B+ voltages from a McIntosh power
amp. Consequently, you either have to get these voltages from your existing
tube amp, or build a separate power supply.

Steve, W9QLF
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <dfischer@usol.com>
To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Date: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


>Steve,
>
>Gee, wouldn't it be nice if you had a moment of sympathy and sent that to
me?
>(patented Fischer smirk) But where might one find one nowadays Steve?
>
>DBF
>
>
>----------
>From: Steven K. Wenger <steve@wenger.org>
>To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
>Date: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:20 AM
>
>Greetings,
>
>If you can latch onto an old McIntosh tube preamp (C-4 or C-8), they have
>multiple EQ settings. My McIntosh C-4 has 11 different labeled settings
>(e.g., EUR 78, COL 78, AES, LON LP, etc.).
>
>Steve, W9QLF
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlie Dumar <cdumar@twcny.rr.com>
>To: 'vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net' <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
>Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:37 AM
>Subject: RE: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
>
>
>>I use a stand alone deck for my conversions.  I have only 2 bits of
advice.
>>
>>If you have a cable converter connected to the same setup you use for
>recording
>>disconnect it from the system,  If you like to watch cable while recording
>use
>>a different amp.  In my setup there was low hum levels in the recordings
>after
>>much work it was traced to the cable digital box.  Nothing more than a
>ground
>>loop.
>>
>>If you do a lot of mono recordings get another cartridge and head and wire
>it
>>for mono.  The recordings will sound better.
>>
>>If you do any recording of material from 1947 to around 1955 remember that
>>these recordings use a different equalization curve than the ones after
>1955 of
>>so.  As a matter of fact there were 10 or so different equalizations used
>>during the early days.
>>
>>Charlie, W2KNL
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF [SMTP:dfischer@usol.com]
>>Sent: 19 April, 2003 11:08
>>To: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
>>
>>
>>
>>Greetings All,
>>
>>This is a little too new, but still old, so pardon the stretch.
>>
>>I have been converting vinyl 33 1/3 rpm records to CD format without a
>>computer.
>>I have had extremely good success. However, this procedure is tedious,
time
>>consuming and requires a DAT deck.
>>
>>Are any of you using a stand alone CDR deck wired direct to the primary
>sound
>>system?
>>
>>Here is one little trick that may help some of you salvage an otherwise
>>unrecoverable recording. If a vinyl record has a scratch on it causing the
>>stylus to stick, put a tiny drop of water on it. Let it expand and fill
the
>>grooves. many times this will allow the stylus to track through the area
>>without
>>sticking. However, there may be some noise, as the scratch is still there.
>>
>>I use an outboard graphic equalization unit to minimize specific
>frequencies
>>when recording the vinyl to DAT or CD. Many times you can eliminate, or
>greatly
>>reduce, the noise present from heavy play wear, minor scratches and so
>forth.
>>Keeping in mind, that the depth to which the needle went, and the width of
>the
>>grooves, has changed over the years.
>>
>>Duane W8DBF
>>
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From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Apr 22 10:21:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (Olaf Schjelderup)
Date: Tue Apr 22 09:21:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] capstan motor for TANDBERG 10XD
Message-ID: <200304221316.h3MDGsr21490@reinstad.uninett.no>

Hi,

I have a TANDBERG 10XD reel-to-reel recorder which satifies me very 
much, but the capstan motor bearing is getting very tired and noisy. Does 
anyone on the list have a spare motor for sale?

Best regards,

Olaf Schjelderup
(Trondheim, Norway)


From vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net  Tue Apr 22 16:58:01 2003
From: vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net (JM/CO)
Date: Tue Apr 22 15:58:01 2003
Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl
References: <01C306B4.6ED468C0.cdumar@twcny.rr.com> <3EA1F666.1080405@csnsys.com> <3EA2ECA9.2F421A7A@gilroy.com> <3EA385ED.1020606@netsync.net>
Message-ID: <006201c30908$83cacc00$b27fd63f@net>

Many manufacturers in the '50s era made products with a few EQ curves
besides the new RIAA, but IMHO, the best of them was the McIntosh C-4 / 8.
As someone noted, these require external power. McIntosh DID make a small
power supply intended for stand-alone use of the C-8, but they are very
rare. In nearly 40 years of dealing  with such, I have only seen one. This
is a simple supply, however, and anyone with home-brew talents could whip
one up in an evening. Consider building one with DC for the heaters.
If one is truly serious about this aspect of the audio hobby, I would
recommend obtaining one of these units, and completely re-capping it. The
various EQ settings rely on filter networks that have capacitors, mostly
out-of-spec today. If you really want to obsess over that, select capacitors
with the assistance of an accurate capacitance bridge, and I don't mean one
made by Heathkit, or similar junk. Go for a General Radio. Select capacitors
that fall within 5% or so of the nominal values, and rest assured that your
EQ curves will be pretty much as the design engineers intended.
Chuck N1LNH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <smackay@netsync.net>
To: <vintage-audio@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Conversion Of Vinyl


> To All,
> Appreciate the dialog. have been slowly copying my vinyl to Cd and have
> much to learn.
> All citations and ref. URLs are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott  W7GSM
>
> shadow wrote:
>
> >Bob....
> >
> >Excellent information....
> >
> >TKS for posting it.
> >
> >Gary
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