[TMC] TMC PAL-1K Low Output Power Issues

Thu Jan 26 20:16:39 EST 2023

Hi John,

Sorry, I accidently hit SEND, before completing my reply to you! Here is 
my complete response:

I am going to replace L222 and R210, and C225, while I am at it. 
Although I doubt if any of these parts are contributing to the issues I 
am having, and the 6146 driver stage has sufficient gain, I want to at 
least get the amplifier back to as close to the as-built configuration 
as I can.

Yes, C225 is still in place. Aside from the kludge of L222 and R210, 
everything else in the 6CL6 and 6146 stages and elsewhere, appears to be 
completely unmolested.

With regard to my comment, and your response regarding: 6-8 Mhz Band: F= 
4500 Khz. Plate Tuning: 052. Loading: 034. Coarse Load: 2

<<Is this a typo?  Did you really mean the output bandswitch was set to 
the 6-8 MHz band while attempting to operate at 4500 kHz and 5000 
kHz?.>>

No, it is the other way around. The driver bandswitch was set to the 6-8 
Mhz band, and the output bandswitch was set to the 4-6 Mhz band. I did 
this as the 4-8 Mhz band in the driver stage appears to be dead. There's 
not much to go wrong there, and last night I cleaned the contacts on the 
driver stages band-switch. The only possible points of failure that 
would prevent the 4-8 Mhz band from oscillating, at least as far as I 
can see it, are the tank coils L209 & L220, and the driver stage 
bandswitch. L220 is of course common only to the 6146, and I can't get 
any drive in the 4-8 Mhz band, the first place to look would be the 6CL6 
stage and related components. All of the other components, such as the 
main tuning capacitors, and C202 and the C229 neutralizing capacitor, 
are most likely good. And I doubt if C202 and C229 are bad; they may out 
of adjustment, but probably not defective, as all of the other driver 
stage bands appear operational.

73,

Bruce, W2XR

    ------ Original Message ------
    From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com
    To: tmc at mailman.qth.net
    Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 2:28 PM
    Subject: Re: [TMC] TMC PAL-1K Low Output Power Issues

  On 1/26/2023 11:52 AM, triodes at optonline.net wrote:
  > Hi John,
  >
  > Thanks again for your guidance!
  >
  > I did uncover one thing today. Someone had changed L222 in the 
cathode
  > circuit of the 6146 (see image. It's the large adjustable pi-wound
  > choke with the green winding). This choke plus the other components 
in
  > the 6146 cathode appear to be a part of the RF negative feedback
  > circuit, and this is where the sampled output from the PL-172A is
  > injected into the driver stage. L222 is 750 uH @ 100 Ma, and I have 
no
  > idea as to what value choke replaced it, but it is probably a 
similar
  > value, judging from it's size, etc. My guess is if the replacement 
is
  > greater than 750 uH, it should not present a problem.

  <<Yep, that's the summing point for negative feedback from the IPA 
output, and also some cathode feedback from the 6146 itself.  Ages ago, 
there was probably a fault in the driver stage resulting in very high 
cathode current which burned up L222.  This was originally a typical 
pi-wound axial RF choke, and there are a few other chokes of the same 
type elsewhere in the amp. Apparently not having the correct part 
on-hand, someone replaced it with a slug-tuned variable inductor, 
presumably of similar value.  Hopefully they adjusted it to 750 uH 
before connecting it.  Unloaded Q of this part is not critical, since 
it's heavily de-Q'd by the 220 ohm cathode resistor, so it may be OK 
as-is if the value is correct.  The best thing would be to detach the 
inductor and measure it to be sure.  Adjust it to 750 uH, if needed, and 
go with it.  But if it can't be set to 750, replace it with a suitable 
inductor of the correct value.

  I can't see it very clearly, but it appears that R210, originally 220 
ohms, was replaced with a 390 ohm.  There's probably some frequency 
compensation going on with this RLC combination, so best to stick with 
the original component values; you have enough problems to deal with 
already.  Doubtless you wouldn't hesitate to replace any resistor which 
was found to be 77% high, as this one is.  BTW, R222 is another one of 
the resistors that tends to go bad from overheating, for some reason.

  Is C225 still in place? I can't see it in the pic, but it should be a 
button-type mica bypass capacitor bolted to the chassis like the ones in 
the top of the pic.  Gain will be very low if it's missing.>>

  >
  > I'm thinking of replacing it. I have 1000 uH and 600 uH available. I
  > doubt if the value is that critical....what do you think?
  >
  > With regard to the plate tuning, loading, and coarse loading 
settings,
  > here are a few of the settings I had recorded when I last fired her 
up:
  >
  > 3-4 Mhz Band: F=3850 Khz, Plate Tune: 076. Loading: 032. Coarse 
Load: 1
  >
  > 6-8 Mhz Band: F= 5000 Khz. Plate Tuning: 063. Loading: 034. Coarse
  > Load: 2
  >
  > 6-8 Mhz Band: F= 4500 Khz. Plate Tuning: 052. Loading: 034. Coarse
  > Load: 2
  <<Is this a typo?  Did you really mean the output bandswitch was set 
to the 6-8 MHz band while attempting to operate at 4500 kHz and 5000 
kHz?.>>
  >
  > Note that I can tune the PL-172A to resonance, as evidenced by a dip
  > in Ip, and as I tune off resonance, the output power goes up and
  > eventually the overload breaker trips. This is true on all bands, 
and
  > at resonance, the output power is around 50 watts on all bands, and
  > going substantially off resonance will increase the output power to
  > around 150 watts. It is when going beyond that when the breaker 
trips.
  >
  > I noted your earlier comments about tuning this amplifier only to
  > resonance, and balancing the the Ip and Isg.
  <<Yes, the amplifier should never be run off-resonance, this indicates 
something is seriously wrong, either with adjustment or a component 
failure.>>

  73,

  John K9WT

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