[TheForge] Scrolling Tongs from Tinsnips?

[Bruce .]

Yes, the thread did rouse the gang a bit.

It did remind me of why guys don't ask directions -- or instructions.  I
asked two or three times without getting any closer to finding that article
or the instruction I believe it contained, which is all that I was
seeking.  But maybe the article doesn't exist.  My memory is hardly perfect.

Fortunately, the discussion did lead to a solution, and now I have three
serviceable scrolling tongs.  Pure grinding worked somewhat better than
forging.  I may try the combination I noted earlier at our open forge meet
tonight.

Bruce
NJ

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 6:51 PM, xlch <xlch58 at swbell.net> wrote:

> I have worked in consulting in an engineering field for over thirty years
> for my day job.  I always make two good attempts to give the customer what
> I think they honestly need, then I stfu and give them what they want if I
> can do so ethically.
>
> I am just thankful for the opportunity to hear from everyone again.
>
> Charles
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 22, 2018, at 3:19 PM, J. Petrila <jlpservicesinc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi sorry, i think my point was missed..
> >
> > There is no reason the group cant make their own scroll tongs.
> >
> > The reason I didnt elaborate on conversion of tin snips into scroll tongs
> > is it's my belief they will be inferior to a real pair and wouldnt waste
> my
> > time on such a thing..
> >
> > For the amount of time to take them apart, forge the blades down and then
> > refit them.  I could basically make a whole new pair..
> >
> > Giving you a lesson would give you 2 pair..
> >
> > Sorry, but I have nothing more to offer than that..
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 3:23 PM Bruce . <freemab222 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well thanks for the offer of a lesson, and especially for the pointer to
> >> your videos.  (I didn't find the tong-making videos yet, but I've only
> >> glanced at the long list of them that you have on YouTube.)
> >>
> >> But I'll pass on the lesson because you're really missing my point.
> >>
> >> I am not, at this juncture, interested in increasing my knowledge of
> >> forging.  I have no intention or interest  in forging scrolling tongs
> from
> >> bar stock.  I could probably do that now, but don't have the time to
> try it
> >> out and improve my technique enough to get a product worth including in
> our
> >> toolboxes.
> >>
> >> (Nor am I, as you imply, teaching anyone how to forge tongs.  The
> teaching
> >> I do is mainly to novices:  starting and maintaining a coal fire; basic
> >> forging operations; a few simple projects they can try.)
> >>
> >> My current interest is *only *in getting two pair of scrolling tongs
> >> finished and into our toolboxes by Aug. 6 (our next public demo) and all
> >> six finished and into our toolboxes by October (our next remote open
> forge
> >> meet).  The issue is *having the tongs available for use*, not my
> learning
> >> to make them.  And since NJBA operates on a slim budget, purchasing
> them is
> >> out.
> >>
> >> I never asked for info on how to forge scrolling tongs from scratch,
> only
> >> how to forge them from tinsnips -- which has way fewer steps.
> >>
> >> So I reiterate -- if anyone knows of an article, video, or other
> >> instructional material for making scrolling tongs from tinsnips, I'd
> >> appreciate hearing of it.
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >> NJ
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 11:52 AM, J. Petrila <jlpservicesinc at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well if your up for a drive, I'd be happy to give you a lesson or 2 on
> >> tong
> >>> making..
> >>>
> >>> As for mediocre forging skills, the only way to get better is to do
> it..
> >>>
> >>> Doing it with someone who has a great understanding makes it even
> easier.
> >>>
> >>> Learning to make tongs from someone who can barely make them is not a
> >> great
> >>> way to learn it..
> >>>
> >>> As for Peter Ross..  or any other of the lifetime Smith's, why would
> you
> >>> make a comparison to them....     this is their life story and have
> >>> developed the skill set so they can do it..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A good friend of mine, said to me after asking me about making a
> bracket
> >>> for an old BMW motorcycle and me offering to "help" him make them...  "
> >>> I've got people for that"...
> >>>
> >>> He has no interest in blacksmithing or fabrication work, but has the
> >> money
> >>> to purchase or barter for the items he wants.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To ask the question " How to do something".. or " What's the best way"
> >>> infers there is a desire to learn..
> >>>
> >>> So, what if it takes you 3days to forge 1 pair..  the second set might
> >> only
> >>> take you 2days..
> >>>
> >>> Only sticking to what you are good at , because you are good at it
> would
> >>> eliminate many, many, many needed skill sets in blacksmithing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Instead of supplying the group have a scroll tong forging day and have
> >> them
> >>> make the tongs for the group..
> >>>
> >>> "No one skilled enough to forge scroll tongs in the group" invite
> someone
> >>> who can and offer something in return...
> >>>
> >>> Blacksmiths for the most part are doers..
> >>>
> >>> Use this to your advantage..
> >>>
> >>> Come see me in MASS and I'd be happy to "GIVE" you a lesson or check
> out
> >>> the jlpservicesinc youtube video channel there are 4 or so videos on
> tong
> >>> making different kinds..
> >>>
> >>> Or hit me up at any of the demos I do and id be happy to give you a
> >> lesson
> >>> there..
> >>>
> >>> Practice makes perfect and it's the only way to get better..
> >>>
> >>> Even if there is a physical limitation sometimes this can be addressed
> to
> >>> the point where forging can become possible.
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