[TheForge] OT: Government waste

[Charles]

A standard tungsten bulb can last 22 years if you leave it on, carefully control the voltage fed to it and keep it in temperature controlled environment.  There are real world examples.   Same issues for an LED bulb.  One of the notes below I believe was mine.  The electronics get overheated and it is installation dependent to a degree.  Big heavy heat sinks help.  Quality control on the assembly line makes a difference as well as does quality components.  

Charles

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Jacob Parker <jacobparkervt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A lot has changed about LED technology since 2012. LEDs are now available in many styles, wattages, and colour temperatures. You will be hard pressed to find a bulb that cannot be replaced by an equivalent LED. Many retail stores and other workplaces have replaced their T style fluorescents with LED replacement bulbs. These companies would not be investing in LEDs if they did not believe in their benefits. The technology has improved greatly even in the last two or three years. 
> I personally work in a hardware store, and I sell a lot of these bulbs. I don't believe that they truly last for 22 years like many say, but I would believe 10-15. Even then, they are far more cost efficient than the alternatives.
> Brands like Greenlite, GE, Feit, and Westinghouse are manufacturing these bulbs to distributors for as little as 10 cents for 40-60 Watt equivalents. Retailers are selling for as little as 90 cents in some places. Their price compounded with their efficiency and other benefits makes them a no-brainer for me. 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 17:12, Walter <wmullett at bright.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Going through old emails and I found this when members were complaining about the lightbulb changes. (I removed the authors) Florescent twist bulbs were a pain but the result of that "government over reach" is the current LED technology.  If you haven't put them in your shops then you are working in the dark.
>> 
>> In our state, the energy savings of these bulbs is being rewarded with kickbacks from the utility companies.   My son sells these and in some cases, the payback for these 20 year + bulbs is less than 10 months.  He is selling to a lot of manufacturing.   They have high bay lamps that replace the metal halite and other inefficient lighting.
>> 
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>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:36:54 -0500
>>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of
>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: Government waste
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>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 6:16 PM, ----------- wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 6:04 PM, ---------- wrote:
>>>>>> LEDs are WAY different from florescent bulbs of which I am not that
>>>>>> fond.  We have a few in the house.  They are costly and have not lasted
>>>>>> anywhere near as long as claimed.  I've had them go in as little as two
>>>>>> or so months.  Driving 25 miles to return them is not worth the cost of
>>>>>> the fuel.  They can shove those where the sun shineth not.
>>>>> The flourescent lights usually fail because of the electronics.  They
>>>>> overheat when mounted in a can, or even when mounted upside down.   When
>>>>> mounted in a standard lamp they do well.   A good example of not enough
>>>>> test cases and minimum standards.
>>>> \
>>>> Good to know, but it helps us not a whit.  I am NOT refitting an entire
>>>> house for the sake of some idiotic law.
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