[TheForge] Tire Hammer / Solar roof

[Walter]

Jerry,

I don't believe the pelton wheel was around in the old times but the 
hydraulic ram was.   I have a very old Architectural Record that shows 
an advertisement for the use of the ram in municipal water systems.

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On 7/21/2017 2:58 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
> That's easy Dave, build a tall tower with a horizontal turbine like the ones
> you see on spinning on roof ventilation ducts only much larger.
>
> There are several strategies for storing energy till you need it. You can
> hook it to a torque converter drive like a snow machine and spin up a large
> flywheel, the torque converter will change ratios automatically like
> shifting gears so the faster the flywheel spins the higher the gear the wind
> turbine pushes.
>
> Another I like if you have a stream or pod available is to pump water into a
> tower tank or uphill to a reservoir and drive your line shop with a water
> wheel. This strategy is or was used when only small streams were around,
> they'd power pumps with a pelton wheel and store the water uphill.
>
> A similar thought is to use the wind turbine to power an air compressor and
> store the air for later use or windless days. This is the system I was going
> to use but the accident took me out of the fancy home built game. <sigh> If
> I'd moved faster I could've  brought home about 900' of 4" steel pipe in 20'
> lengths. My plan was to bury them in a grid under the shop floor. The grid
> needs to have a slope and drain point to remove condensation, easy to do by
> connecting the drain cock to a piece of tubing that ends at the bottom of
> the drain reservoir.
>
> I'm sure we all know what happens when we run the compressor, the tank gets
> hot, I'm to going to explain why, it's enough to know it does. With a pipe
> grid under the shop floor as a compressed air tank the shop would have in
> floor heating. The shop of course would've had a couple thousand gallon air
> tank.
>
> Summer might get a tad warm though wouldn't it? HAH, got that covered, I'd
> collected a bunch of natural gas tanks from the period the State tried
> running the vehicle fleet on natural gas instead of gasoline. What a bust,
> it took almost an hour to fill the gas tank at the ONE fuel station in
> Anchorage. Anyway, the tanks were removed and tossed, the metal recyclers
> didn't want them they were wrapped in carbon fiber composite shells to
> reinforce them in case of accident. They tried running over one with a
> loader, lifted the front end off the ground on the bucket edge, then took
> the yard's D8 to it, lifted the front on the blade and then lifted the
> entire dozer off the ground with the ripper tooth resting on the tank they'd
> been trying to destroy. All that's extraneous to the point, I get rambling.
>
> The point was over heated shop in summer, I brought home 8 of the old NG
> tanks and was going to connect them with a manifold for summer compressed
> air. Then if I rigged the right kind of valving releasing HP air into the
> sub floor grid would chill the floor for air (floor?) conditioning.
>
> That aspect wouldn't be so big a deal here, we get excited if it hits 70f.
> but down south a nice cool floor might be a nice thing.
>
> In the end I installed PEX, hydronic tubing in the floor and maybe some day
> I'll be able to hook it up.
>
> Anyway, that's today's Frosty voyage of the imagination and ramble.
>
> Want to hear how to heat your house, shop, etc. with a composter?
>
> Frosty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Smucker
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:12 PM
> To: mspencer at tallships.ca; Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Tire Hammer
>
> Cool Mike,  Now how do you add a sail so it is wind powered.  I too love the
> tall ships.  We visited Portsmouth, England a few weeks ago and got to see
> the Mary Rose Museum.  Very special.
>
> Dave Smucker
> Brasstown,NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Spencer
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:34 PM
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [TheForge] Re: Tire Hammer
>
>
> I trust y'all remember my run at a tire hammer.
>
>     http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/shop/AO-power.html
>
> Doesn't have the refinement of the efforts of Clay Spencer et al. but
> another proof of concept. :-)
>
>
> - Mike
>