[TheForge] Copper Wire Theft

Sun Apr 19 04:28:52 EDT 2015

I like your observations on Meth and the lack of the Fear Survival mechanism Andy. I think you need to apply for a grant to study this effect. Probably 3 million would do it. Hire some college kids to gather info for 18 months, purchase each a notebook so compilation is easy and then you can review and publish your findings to the Granting agency. 
Good Luck with your new Study Andy! :)))
Vince

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:33:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [TheForge] why church bells are not stolen was Re: the theft of	metal public

We’ve always had thieves and how well armed and and nasty folks are only thins them out.
It’s gone way up with the popularity of meth. Seems to weaken the fear instinct.
A couple of meth heads tried to dig up and steal the heavy copper leads that ran power to the Santa Barbara marina a few years back. Fried them both..Had to giggle.

On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net> wrote:

On 4/18/15, 10:10 AM, Larry Brown wrote:
> I work for the NYC parks, I have seen 3' x 4' plaques from war memorials
> stolen and never recovered, entire brass/bronze sculptures or parts of them
> stolen after being hacked off and huge sections of aluminum railings and
> fencing. The memorial plaques really upset me as they have the names of
> people from the local community and the community names on them and cannot
> be mistaken for something else so the they are knowingly bought by the
> JUNKIES. Many scrap yards have no more ethics than the drug users, they are
> just addicted to full trucks that mean $. Some have all sorts of
> requirements for regular scrap but I know of guys who bring things around
> back and get less money but no paper work for questionable items.

That sucks.  It is the telltale of a culture which has turned its back on ethics.  That describes enough of what America has become and it's a damned shame.

I would have thought that a memorial would be well lit at night. That tends to discourage this sort of thing.  Armed locals also helps a lot.  People do this kind of shit because the consequences are not really there.  If the risk of having the ghost shot from your carcass was high, most of this would stop.  But in places like NYC that is not allowed and therefore the crime is through the roof.

Why should I not be a scumbag and take from you that which is not mine to take when the consequences are generally mild?  Think "cost/benefit" and "risk/reward".  As for crazy junkies, they have no sense so the armed property owner would likely take care of that smudge in the gene pool with dispatch.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:34:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [TheForge] the theft of metal public

Ya…point taken.

On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:46 PM, kaS <ks6n30 at gmail.com> wrote:

This has NOTHING to do with pounding iron!

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On Friday, April 17, 2015, Saint Phlip <saintphlip at gmail.com> wrote:

> They'll steal anything not nailed down- and sometimes stuff that's bolted
> down. You guys remember this one?
> 
> 
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-charged-stealing-pennsylvania-bridge-selling-5000-article-1.964690
> 
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Bruce . <freemab222 at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, and we can get such laws passed REAL easy -- just let some thief know
>> that it's REAL gold on the NJ capitol dome!
>> 
>> Bruce
>> NJ
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Bruce . <freemab222 at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wouldn't work for lead roofing, but I say electrify the sculpture!  Rig
>> it
>>> such that the moment the sculpture is moved, a high voltage circuit,
>>> supplying sub-lethal current, is connected. Use a battery for power and
>>> install the thing within the sculpture so there's no cutting it loose.
>>> Maybe have a concealed key switch to disconnect the shocking mechanism.
>>> 
>>> But legal remedies are better.  Nobody should be able to get cash for a
>>> plaque, sculpture, wire, pipe, etc., period, and no payment at all
>> without
>>> providing positive ID and paper trail.
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> NJ
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM, terry l. ridder <
>> terrylr at blauedonau.com <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Graham;
>>>> 
>>>> A church in Cumbria has had the lead roof stolen 4 times.
>>>> the latest time they were still making repairs from the 3rd time.
>>>> The church has now installed several alarm systems.
>>>> 
>>>> One church had the entire copper rain spouts stolen.
>>>> thousands of GBP of damage and copper.
>>>> 
>>>> I am surprised that they do not attempt to steal the church bells.
>>>> 
>>>> Not many churches in the USA still have bells. replaced by electronic
>>>> bells. I love to sit outside a pub and listen to the church bells.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015, Graham Whaley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yep, they are clamping down in the UK with more rigorous 'check ins'
>>>>> at the merchants these days as well.
>>>>> The hot favorites over the last few years seem to have been lead
>>>>> flashing from roofs (I've even seen it taken off of small domestic
>>>>> road frontage properties!), and copper wires from the railways
>>>>> (causing much disruption). Must come as a surprise when they realise
>>>>> they have pulled up some fiber optics :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> --
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> 
> 
> --
> Saint Phlip
> 
> Only President Obama could double the stock market, cut the deficit by
> 2/3, bring
> gas down under $3, get bin Laden, end 2 wars, bring unemployment down under
> 6%,  while fighting a government that is trying to destroy him, and still
> be told he's failing as President.
> 
> 
> Heat it up
> Hit it hard
> Repent as necessary.
> 
> Priorities:
> 
> It's the smith who makes the tools, not the tools which make the smith.
> 
> .I never wanted to see anybody die, but there are a few obituary notices I
> have read with pleasure. -Clarence Darrow
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:37:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [TheForge] the theft of metal public

Therr was an old wrought iron bridge over in Paso Robles that had been moved to the river bank some years back. I inquired about it a couple of times…Then heard it had been scrapped out…sigh.

On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Saint Phlip <saintphlip at gmail.com> wrote:

You mean that bridge was NOT made of iron? Quite a surprise for the
builders, the owners, the thieves, the scrap yard, and the cops. And, scrap
iron is very much of interest to blacksmiths.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:46 PM, kaS <ks6n30 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has NOTHING to do with pounding iron!
> 
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> On Friday, April 17, 2015, Saint Phlip <saintphlip at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> They'll steal anything not nailed down- and sometimes stuff that's bolted
>> down. You guys remember this one?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-charged-stealing-pennsylvania-bridge-selling-5000-article-1.964690
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Bruce . <freemab222 at gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, and we can get such laws passed REAL easy -- just let some thief
> know
>>> that it's REAL gold on the NJ capitol dome!
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> NJ
> 
-- 
Saint Phlip

Only President Obama could double the stock market, cut the deficit by
2/3, bring
gas down under $3, get bin Laden, end 2 wars, bring unemployment down under
6%,  while fighting a government that is trying to destroy him, and still
be told he's failing as President.

Heat it up
Hit it hard
Repent as necessary.

Priorities:

It's the smith who makes the tools, not the tools which make the smith.

.I never wanted to see anybody die, but there are a few obituary notices I
have read with pleasure. -Clarence Darrow
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 21:42:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [TheForge] why church bells are not stolen was Re: the theft of metal public

You're forgetting that "hanging out" is expensive -- guard duty.  So you
pay the lowest possible salary to have somebody else hang out there, thus
calling especial attention to the value of the item being guarded.  Guard
"falls asleep" on duty and guards buddies walk off with metal.

Bruce
NJ

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net> wrote:

> I take it this thread is about theft of copper and other $$ metals for
> sale to scrap yards, no?
>
> On 4/18/15, 10:45 AM, Ries Niemi wrote:
>
>> This is a situation where the only thing that works is government.
>>
> Um, no.  Defending your own property works far better.  Hang out and wait,
> AR15 in .338 Specter at hand w/300 gr. slugs, subsonic, and a good can to
> keep things quiet.  Thieves enter by foot, leave by handcuff or body-bag,
> their choice.
>
>> As I said, here in Washington, we have laws regarding the buying of
>> scrap, and they are enforced.
>> NO kegs can be bought for example, unless the seller can prove they are
>> in the beer business.
>>
> Hell with that.  Kegs make pretty decent gas forges.
>
>> NO wire with the insulation burnt off, unless you can prove in writing it
>> was done legally, not over a campfire in your backyard.
>>
> That's just stupid.  I take an acetylene torch and slag the wire into a
> mold.  Now what?  Prove where you got the copper ingots?
>
> Yeah,  because police-state tactics have such a glorious history of
> success.
>
> Sheesh.
>
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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:46 PM, kaS <ks6n30 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This has NOTHING to do with pounding iron!
>
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> Please limit to number of times a thread can waste space in an inbox,
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>
Pet peeve

Moot, not mute.  (number 2)

adjective

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2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.