[TheForge] MAPP gas vs. acetylene

Tue Sep 23 01:41:18 EDT 2014

I asked Bill Kingsley if he could write up a specific component model and pt
number list for a Harris torch set equivalent to the Allstates rig. He said
he'd be happy to but its going to take some time, he has to fit it into
company business so it might take as long as 30 days. It will be a list of
components you should be able to print out and lay on the counter of a
Harris dealer and get the right stuff. 

If you have any questions about the things just ask Bruce, I've been using
the Allstates oxy propane rig since before the internet went public.

If an air propane torch works well enough for you, there are much better
ones than a Bernzomatic that'll braze if the stock's not too heavy.

Jer

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Wow!  What a response!  I will have to go back and read through it all.

For clarification purposes, my current torches are a standard
(Bernzomatic-type) propane torch, and probably the identical Spitfire Model
VTK (300 Series) shown here:
http://toolingaround.ca/sb.html  (scroll down a very short ways).

The latter is excellent for what it is.  But it's an aluminum device,
showing its age, and the valve doesn't seal perfectly -- meaning I have to
unscrew the torch from the bottle between uses.  I'm really quite impressed
with the heat it delivers from propane and ambient air.  This is not to say
it could hold a candle to a two-gas torch.  Still, since this torch is no
longer available, I've been tempted to whip up an equivalent
propane-ambient-air torch from bronze components. (But haven't.)

One of my applications is brazing or silver soldering, which I need to
re-learn.  Another is preheating steel so my HF flux-core welder will handle
the big stuff.  That works quite well, BTW.  My welds are ugly as sin, for
which I blame myself and not the welder, but they hold well.

Bruce
NJ

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:

> I think Harris made a lot of the Sears torches Mike. Kinda graceless 
> but functional. Parts might still be available.
> Er....No one would publicly advise that you get a nice, small, 
> comfy,old victor torch like a J27 or a 100 and take a comparably small 
> , reamed out tip, cut it off and thread the end to fit your little end 
> tips. That's the sort of crap i'd do.
> I used to be able to butt weld 26 ga, but my hand has deteriorated a lot.
>
> On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Mike Spencer wrote:
>
>
> PF wrote:
>
> > I've been torch welding a long time, and have become quite 
> > opinionated.
>
> Ha!  We knew that. ;-)  Me too.
>
> I got a Craftsman oxy/acet set in '67, before I got my first forge & 
> anvil.  The regulators have long since died and the cutting torch is 
> so-so.  But the welding head came with several tips.  The smallest one 
> has a thin extension brased into massive part that threads into the 
> torch head. That tiny tip can do all kinds of neat tricks, silver 
> solder, butt-welding sheet metal etc.
>
> I've been thinking it's time to replace the aging set but whatever I 
> get has to allow continued use of that tiny tip.
>
> Aircraft style torches generally have quite small tips available and 
> are much more pleasant to use.
> Low pressure torches like the Meco or the Dillon/Henrob run even 
> smaller, but the Smith/Tescom "Little Torch" with the ruby tips are 
> really, really dinky.
>
> Um,, carbide tap? Localized temper draw?
>
>
> BTW, still working on the 300# A&O which now runs well.  Does anybody 
> have a trick for making 1/2"x13 threaded holes in a piece of metal (in 
> this case, the upper die) if it turns out to be too hard to be tapped 
> in the conventional way?  I'm making a bolt-on attachment requiring 4 
> threaded holes in the die which is not so hard that a file glides of 
> but it files real hard.  If my retired machinist friend says he can 
> drill but can't tap, is there some trick with inserts or something 
> that I haven't heard of?
>
> - Mike
>
> --
> Michael Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada       .~.
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