[TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga

Tue Sep 16 16:48:57 EDT 2014

Not a bad idea Bruce. Straw bales will need a little anti varmit treating
but some roach pruf and moth balls usually takes care of the easy critters.
I have no doubt there is plenty of info online.

Maybe a little skirting for better weatherproofing but it might not be
necessary if the bales fit tightly enough.

Jer

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Straw bales!.  Make your basement walls a temporary straw bale structure.
completely removable.  Decent insulation in the winter.

Bruce
NJ

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net> wrote:

>
> On 9/8/14, 10:52 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
>
>> It shouldn't have started setting up even if they just let it sit 
>> half an hour after pumping. That sounds like they added an accelerant 
>> at the batch plant alright. Take a sample to the State Materials lab 
>> for analysis, the concrete co. is picking up the bill. Have your lawyer
charge it back.
>>
> I have now spoken with at least a dozen people in the area who do or 
> have done concrete professionally and when I told the story, the first 
> thing out of EVERYONE'S mouth was "calcium"... they must have put in 
> calcium to accelerate the set.  But why?
>
>>
>> High humidity weather can allow steam because it's already near the 
>> dew point but the basement shouldn't have been appreciably hotter 
>> than ambient.
>>
> Basement is notably cooler than ambient, typically, and was that day 
> as well.
>
>> Did you try touching the slab or pile setting up in the driveway? I'm 
>> almost betting a letter of intent from a lawyer will start getting  
>> offers to settle out of court. Don't forget to add emotional 
>> distress, etc. etc. It SHOULD cost them to keep you quiet. Suckers 
>> MUST pay.
>>
> Oh, I'm not going quietly on this one.  I've had quite enough of 
> getting screwed around by these two half-wit outfits, 
> thankyouverymuch.  Readymix company is not returning my calls... I'm a 
> very forbearing person, but once you demonstrate to me your malice, I 
> go for the carotids, which is the next move after giving them ONE more
opportunity to make like a cowboy.
>
> As for Marco... that will be a bigger nut to crack as they have driven 
> my cost to do what I need to do up by at least a factor of 4 or 5.  
> Engineer told not to cut footings for fear of another shear failure.  
> Already have one right in the middle of where those dildoes placed one 
> of the brackets.Not more than 1/16 shift, but that 1/16 more than I 
> wanted.  But because the $$ have now gone way up, I'm sure Marco will 
> admonish me to screw myself, in which case I will have to get very serious
with them...
> but that takes time and time we do not have in any reserve.  When it 
> goes single digits, we are going to be in serious shit.
>
>
>> Jer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Andrew Vida
>> Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 7:52 AM
>> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga
>>
>>
>> On 9/5/14, 3:13 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
>>
>>> It is if he stopped for coffee or lunch. Once concrete starts to set 
>>> it sets pretty quickly. A concrete company that screws up a pour 
>>> like this will have people blaming others, it's the guy in the 
>>> mixing tower, the guy in the truck, the finishers, etc.
>>>
>> Well, the one person they cannot blame is me.  The pumpers and 
>> finishers were also blameless.  The mix appeared normal until about 
>> 1/2 hour in, after about 5 or so yards were put down.  All of a 
>> sudden it started hardening up very quickly and the finisher was not 
>> happy.  I didn't realize how bad it was until a while later.
>>
>> These bastards are going to tell me to go scratch and then I will 
>> have to take up my iron bars - there's the smithing content. :)
>>
>>> When you say it got hot, how hot?
>>>
>> The 7 yards remaining in the truck was putting off very visible 
>> vapors in 90*+, 90%+ humidity.  It was not hot in the basement, so 
>> they cannot claim that we should have known.  Everything seemed 
>> perfect until the very sudden and rapid change in the character of 
>> the mix.  Prior to that, I was shoveling concrete up into the low 
>> spots because it was flowing well.
>>
>>     Concrete should get warm as it sets but even a 24" footing should 
>> be
>>> too cool for a bath. If a slab is getting hot, say steaming on a 
>>> cool day it's a hot mix, either WAY past pour time or a hot mix from 
>>> the batch plant.
>>>
>>> How'd your footings come out?
>>>
>> Sagged slab - integral footing.  3 runs of #5 rebar all four sides 
>> about
>> 2-3 inches from the bottom, right where it belonged.  Engineer friend 
>> said one would have sufficed and that three makes for a very strong
footing.
>> Footings average about 16" deep x 24 wide.  Floor is about 5"
>> average with a few thinner areas, perhaps 3.5"... still plenty, 
>> especially with the mesh in it.
>>
>> My only concern now is whether it is too far out of level for a mason 
>> to lay block, if I choose to go that route, which at this point I may 
>> because the forms are now up to about $5K and there is no possible 
>> way.
>> I'd planned on $500-$600, using the clay as the outer form, but the 
>> imbeciles at Marco scotched that big time.
>>
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