[TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 129, Issue 10
Andy Gladish
anjgladish at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 09:57:22 EDT 2014
For the past fifteen years I've used a simple system to get the heat out of
my stovepipe and keep creosote from building up.
Short stack- stays hot. Mine is in a one story part of the house. It has
single wall pipe up to the ceiling, then regular stainless insulated stuff
for get through the roof and a few feet beyond.
I burn it hot once a day and realty never have buildup except on the
weather cap.
I know that's way too simple for most people, sorry.....also if you have
regulations on emissions in your area it's a problem. You're better off
with a high thermal mass stove that always burns wide open, for an hour or
two a day. Then the whole thing is a heat exchanger and there's virtually
no smoke.
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> 1. Re: More on 300# Allday & Onions (jerry Frost)
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> 3. Re: More on 300# Allday & Onions (Mike Spencer)
> 4. Re: boing boing pond. (jerry Frost)
> 5. Re: boing boing pond. (jerry Frost)
> 6. Re: boing boing pond. (Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:32:26 -0800
> From: "jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> To: <mspencer at tallships.ca>, "'Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA'"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] More on 300# Allday & Onions
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> Congratulations getting it up and running Mike. You've been working on it
> how many years now?
>
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
> Spencer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:56 PM
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [TheForge] More on 300# Allday & Onions
>
>
> I kinda feel like Andy and I are both reporting decade-long sagas suitable
> for a 19th c. novel, only his saga is so onerous and time-consuming that he
> doesn't put all his hassles, mistakes and little victories on the web.
>
> Anyhow...
>
> Those entertained by my recent post re. die inserts for the A&O hammer may
> be further entertained by the fact that the upper one didn't work. Nearly
> damaged the hammer.
>
> All fixed now! The details, along with a photo of a work piece as proof
> that the damn thing works, are on the updated web page.
>
> http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/shop/ao-die-mod.html
>
>
> FWIW; at least it's on topic,
> - Mike
>
> --
> Michael Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada .~.
> /V\
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:52:28 -0700
> From: Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
> To: mspencer at tallships.ca, Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] More on 300# Allday & Onions
> Message-ID: <30F05C6B-5A14-4B11-851D-4053CA2F46BF at thegrid.net>
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> Yea!!!
> What an elegant old monster.
>
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Mike Spencer wrote:
>
>
> I kinda feel like Andy and I are both reporting decade-long sagas
> suitable for a 19th c. novel, only his saga is so onerous and
> time-consuming that he doesn't put all his hassles, mistakes and
> little victories on the web.
>
> Anyhow...
>
> Those entertained by my recent post re. die inserts for the
> A&O hammer may be further entertained by the fact that the upper one
> didn't work. Nearly damaged the hammer.
>
> All fixed now! The details, along with a photo of a work piece as
> proof that the damn thing works, are on the updated web page.
>
> http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/shop/ao-die-mod.html
>
>
> FWIW; at least it's on topic,
> - Mike
>
> --
> Michael Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada .~.
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> http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/ ^^-^^
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> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:12:36 -0300
> From: mspencer at tallships.ca (Mike Spencer)
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [TheForge] Re: More on 300# Allday & Onions
> Message-ID: <201410222012.s9MKCam07283 at bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
>
>
> Jerry wrote:
>
> Congratulations getting it up and running Mike.
>
> Thank you. [Tips hat]
>
> > You've been working on it how many years now?
>
> Ten years, off and on. It's beens sitting there for 11, operational
> since 2008 but problematic. Made a long-heat portable forge 2 or 3
> years ago, jib crane last year.
>
> And PF wrote:
>
> > Yea!!! What an elegant old monster.
>
> Yeah. It may even turn to have been more fun ressurecting it than it
> is using it.
>
> Now I just have to dig up old sketches and projects from the midden
> and see what I might do with it. The biggest stock I have on hand is
> 1x2, 1-1/2 square and 2" round. With 300#, you have to be carefull
> not to squash such rinky-dink sizes into sheet metal with an errant
> blow. :-)
>
> With computer & data security getting a lot of press and "delete"
> being what it is, I'm wondering if I could do GORD [1] on old hard
> drives for a fee. :-o No need for a special tiny screw driver.
>
>
> [1] Guaranteed Obliteration of Risky Data
>
> --
> Michael Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada .~.
> /V\
> mspencer at tallships.ca /( )\
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:36:54 -0800
> From: "jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> To: "'Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA'"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>
> Chirp is a much better term, consider it adopted thank you. As interesting
> and weird as water is, ice is even weirder. I wouldn't be surprised if the
> chirping is the sound of an impact phase change resonating through a
> damping
> media. Maybe nuclei are excited by romantic radio waves. <grin> I'm sure
> something can be learned from the effect but is there practical uses?
> Beyond
> more knowledge that is.
>
> I know about how easily X-rays can be generated, unwrapping Saran wrap will
> do it too. I think the Scotch tape method was discovered first, I don't
> know. The Saran wrap method was used in an episode of the TV show "Bones"
> to
> x-ray a piece of evidence during a power outage. That's only to show how
> common the knowledge is if Hollywood is using it accurately. Then again
> Kathy Reichs the writer director, creator of Bone is herself a forensic
> pathologist and insists on a reasonable validity to the science in the
> show.
>
> The world is so full of cool stuff a boy has to wonder what the rest of the
> multiverse has to marvel about.
>
> Jer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce
> .
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:41 AM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
>
> I saw that. The sound is indeed cool. To my ear, it sounds like a
> "chirp",
> which is a scientific term, believe it or not, for a waveform that (you
> guessed it!) sounds like a chirp!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirp
> I learned about this waveform from a discussion (?) of Fourier-transform
> NMR, in which the radio signal exciting the nuclei may be delivered as a
> chirp in order to scan the wavelength spectrum.
> Now, this makes me wonder WHY a chirp is produced by skipping rocks, and
> whether anything can be learned from it. I( get on these rants every now
> and then since somebody discovered you could produce X-rays using scotch
> tape! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Tape#X-rays)
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:15 AM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > What to do with your fish pond when it freezes over.
> >
> > Jer
> >
> > http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/rock-skipper-discovers-unique-noise/2915
> > 8406
> >
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:41:28 -0800
> From: "jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> To: "'Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA'"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> That might be something to see/hear Pete, there isn't enough cool stuff in
> a
> person's life. There is a gravel pit lake just down the hill from us and I
> think Jake wouldn't mind me giving it a try if I invited him to watch. I
> have an old graphite crucible or I could talk to a caster friend about one
> and getting coal or charcoal to iron melting temp isn't a problem for a boy
> with a forge and blower.
>
> How's this sound. One disposable crucible, one flame resistant trebuchet a
> hot coal fire and a frozen pond. Lift crucible onto the treb sling, step
> back, WAY BACK and pull the release on a dark night of course. Hmmmm? Then
> again a ballista would be good to give it a nice linear horizontal
> trajectory and be a whole LOT safer. If catapulting molten iron can be
> considered "safer" than just about anything of course.
>
> Jer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Peter
> Fels & Phoebe Palmer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
>
> If someone was still puddling iron on a large scale, it'd be fun to try it
> on that pond!
>
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:40 AM, Bruce . wrote:
>
> I saw that. The sound is indeed cool. To my ear, it sounds like a
> "chirp",
> which is a scientific term, believe it or not, for a waveform that (you
> guessed it!) sounds like a chirp!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirp
> I learned about this waveform from a discussion (?) of Fourier-transform
> NMR, in which the radio signal exciting the nuclei may be delivered as a
> chirp in order to scan the wavelength spectrum.
> Now, this makes me wonder WHY a chirp is produced by skipping rocks, and
> whether anything can be learned from it. I( get on these rants every now
> and then since somebody discovered you could produce X-rays using scotch
> tape! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Tape#X-rays)
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:15 AM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > What to do with your fish pond when it freezes over.
> >
> > Jer
> >
> > http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/rock-skipper-discovers-unique-noise/2915
> > 8406
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:57:00 -0700
> From: Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
> Message-ID: <601A0266-B95D-42E7-9AD6-08BECDC59D6E at thegrid.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I was thinking of the wide cast iron puddle in then furnace being the
> equivalent of the 1/2 frozen pond,
> with the pure iron and silicon slag being the equivalent of the of the
> scattered frozen berglettes for the graphite stones to skip across.
>
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:41 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
>
> That might be something to see/hear Pete, there isn't enough cool stuff in
> a
> person's life. There is a gravel pit lake just down the hill from us and I
> think Jake wouldn't mind me giving it a try if I invited him to watch. I
> have an old graphite crucible or I could talk to a caster friend about one
> and getting coal or charcoal to iron melting temp isn't a problem for a boy
> with a forge and blower.
>
> How's this sound. One disposable crucible, one flame resistant trebuchet a
> hot coal fire and a frozen pond. Lift crucible onto the treb sling, step
> back, WAY BACK and pull the release on a dark night of course. Hmmmm? Then
> again a ballista would be good to give it a nice linear horizontal
> trajectory and be a whole LOT safer. If catapulting molten iron can be
> considered "safer" than just about anything of course.
>
> Jer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Peter
> Fels & Phoebe Palmer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:53 AM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] boing boing pond.
>
> If someone was still puddling iron on a large scale, it'd be fun to try it
> on that pond!
>
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:40 AM, Bruce . wrote:
>
> I saw that. The sound is indeed cool. To my ear, it sounds like a
> "chirp",
> which is a scientific term, believe it or not, for a waveform that (you
> guessed it!) sounds like a chirp!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirp
> I learned about this waveform from a discussion (?) of Fourier-transform
> NMR, in which the radio signal exciting the nuclei may be delivered as a
> chirp in order to scan the wavelength spectrum.
> Now, this makes me wonder WHY a chirp is produced by skipping rocks, and
> whether anything can be learned from it. I( get on these rants every now
> and then since somebody discovered you could produce X-rays using scotch
> tape! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Tape#X-rays)
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:15 AM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > What to do with your fish pond when it freezes over.
> >
> > Jer
> >
> > http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/rock-skipper-discovers-unique-noise/2915
> > 8406
> >
>
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