[TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga OT:
Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer
artgawk at thegrid.net
Thu Oct 23 23:52:33 EDT 2014
I have some of the yellow style and in my shop they are a bloody nuisance...Always hanging up. Almost never use them. There's stuff sticking up and out all over the place.
On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Bruce . wrote:
Yeah, I've thought of that. But if you used compressed air from an
oil-less compressor (and released through a diffusion frit) the hose
needn't be thick or unduly stiff. Or it could be an overhead hose of this
sort:
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=coiled+air+hose
Bruce
NJ
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
> That's something i should have done a long time ago. Dragging an air hose
> tail around my crowded shop isn't at all appealing though.
>
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Bruce . wrote:
>
> Another alternative is a supplied air system. Put fishbowl over head. Run
> air hose into fishbowl, maintaining positive pressure therein. You get the
> picture.
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
> artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>
>> Bruce, years ago i realized being hairy and conventional respiratory
>> protection were in conflict.
>> After a bunch of preliminary steps, i ended up with a snorkel mouthpiece
>> plugged directly into a respiratory filter socket.
>> Exhale through nose.
>> Gotta change filters 2 X as often.
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Bruce . wrote:
>>
>> Acute exposure to ANY dust is dangerous, especially in large quantity.
>> Glass dust would be especially so because it is sharp. Wear a good dust
>> mask if working with such stuff. (Being bearded, I tend to use a moist
>> bandana over my nose and mouth instead of a dust mask because dust masks
>> won't seal against a beard.)
>> But unlike pure silica, glass will eventually dissolve in the body, so if
>> it doesn't kill you soon after exposure, the problem might eventually go
>> away. Don't count on it though.
>>
>> Bruce
>> NJ
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
>> artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like silicosis by the ton...That was 3 cents a TON, i think
> Jerry.
>>>
>>> In this connection, refineries sometimes sell sulfur really cheap too..
>>> It's strong, 5X stronger than cement, especially with some styrene and
>>> fiber mixed in, easy to melt in a 55 gal barrel with a bonfire, and
> pour
>>> at around 250F.
>>> It's water proof and very acid resistant. Like the styro, make sure it's
>>> never subject to flames...(IE, below grade).
>>> It doesn't burn particularly hot, but it's persistent and really ,
> really
>>> noxious!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2014, at 2:58 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, ants LOVE foam, any kind, ants or foam. Crushed glass is good
>>> stuff
>>> and if they're selling it for $0.03/lb they can't afford to ship it to
>> the
>>> glass plant. If you can find powdered glass it makes excellent ant
>> killer.
>>> It gets in their joints and shreds them from the inside out and even
>> their
>>> little crunchy bodies are deadly to the next ones to come along. Just
>> don't
>>> breath it, it's only less dangerous to us.
>>>
>>> Jer
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Bruce
>>> .
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:44 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga OT:
>>>
>>> And ants! Ants will nest in styrofoam. Voice of sad experience, here.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>> NJ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
>>> artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hope it works as well for you as it did for me...That backfill has a
>>>> staggering R value!
>>>> Don't neglect to cover it with something that'll keep fire and rodents
>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The recycler had 3'x4'x6' bales of compressed plastic, but they were
>>>> over 1000# each and I am in no humor to wrestle that. The polystyrene
>>>> blocks are extruded from the chipped raw material. Density varies
>>> significantly.
>>>> No matter. I'm looking to provide a seepage channel and these should
>>>> do the trick.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I also have left at least 4 trails between Charleston and
>>> Elkview.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/17/14, 1:30 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>>>> Andy, the styro i was getting was in the form of wired, compressed
>>>> bales. They had a press that'd turn a giant dumpster full into a 3' X
> 4'
>>>> bale, that i then stacked 3 high on my flatbed. Exhausted, i drove
>>>> home in the dark having tied down the load. I feared that the cops
>>>> would follow the debris trail for 60 miles and find me days later.
>>>>> I used some of the bales whole where i was concerned about sliding,
>>>>> then
>>>> opened up the remaining bales to fill the rest of the space. Before i
>>>> placed the styro, i did a multiply redundant series of waterproofing
>>>> coats on the outside of the retaining wall ( parge coat, rubberized
>>>> asphalt sheet and heavy plastic sheet.
>>>>> I topped the styro backfill with a foot of leachrock for vermin and
>>>> fireproofing.
>>>>> The french drain at the bottom sloped 1/2" to the foot and was
>>>>> covered
>>>> in 3 layers of drain fabric.
>>>>> Unfortunately, the heavy plastic sheet under the french drain got
>>>> perforated in the process and the seepage leaves me with a damp shop
>>>> floor a few days after heavy rains despite both sand and plastic
>>>> sheet under the slab.
>>>>> Somehow, 3 tons of sloppy clay is much heavier than 3 tons of almost
>>>> anything else. Groan.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it turned out the recycler indeed has blocks of styrofoam and
>>>>> I
>>>> have been stacking them to the grade line. Typar at the outer face,
>>>> then back fill. They loaded two large boxes full... probably about
> 800#
>>> each.
>>>> I will be leaving in a short while to get two more and that should do
>>>> the do for us. They are about 8" square by randome lengths, vary in
>>>> density, but seem to be porous.
>>>>>
>>>>> The day after the north and east walls were completed, the rain
>>>>> caved in
>>>> the clay at the northeast corner. I'd estimate at least 3 tons of
>>>> water-logged clay. God bless my wife for her help. We got it
>>>> excavated yesterday in about 6 hours and did it literally by hand, as
>>>> the shovels were utterly useless. I was swearing to make a sailor
>>>> join a convent. Not sure why, but when the clay grabs me such that I
>>>> cannot get my boot out, I go completely red.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got the drain reset, gravel in, foam blocks on top and sealed the
>>>>> walls
>>>> with Hydrocide... pretty nasty stuff. I'm still wearing it, three
>>>> days and about 8 showers later. Need more foam block, and then
> backfill
>>> partially.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mason told me to use non-shrinking grout between the bottom of old
>>>> footing and top of new block walls. That is going to be a lot of
>>> grout...
>>>> :( At that volume I would have gone broke on hydraulic cement. That
>>>> damned stuff is $$. I've never used concrete grout before. I sure
>>>> hope it has the compressive strength to take the load.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I am going to fill the spaces where the steel columns are
>>>> encased by the blocks with portland. The walls of the block are
>>>> shaved a mite thin in one or two places.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will have Bibi take pictures today and post them so you all can
>>>>> bear
>>>> witness to the truer depths of my insanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next step: concrete company comes to pour 6" cap on the old-new
>>>> floor. That will give me a 12" floor, less head room (down to about
>>>> 9'4"), but I'm OK with it. The second pour will act as a lock for
>>>> moisure and a kicker for the bottomost blocks against the inward
>>>> pressure of the surrounding earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Much yet to do, but at least the new foundation is in. I cannot
>>>>> tell
>>>> you what a relief that has been.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/14, 6:57 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>>>>> I'm certain you do Andy! Um...Just one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/16/14, 5:18 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>>>>>> Some years back i discovered free bales of styrofoam from the
>>>> recycling plant.
>>>>>>> They were so eager to get rid of them they loaded them for me
>>>>>>> after
>>>> hours..
>>>>>>> Covered my 12' flatbed with them stacked 9' high.
>>>>>>> They made great backfill behind the big retaining wall and have
>>>>>>> been
>>>> stable for the last 15 years or more.
>>>>>>> Water resistant , insulating, easy to place and free. I covered
>>>>>>> them
>>>> with leachrock about a foot deep for fire and vermin.
>>>>>>> If you need more volume, break up the bales on a calm day.
>>>>>>> French drain below.
>>>>>> Now this is a really cool idea. I was having a small fit trying to
>>>> figure how I was to get all that gravel situated properly. Was
>>>> thinking of using gambions, but they are stupidly pricey and you have
>>>> to build them yourself... and they are endlessly heavy, even the small
>>>> ones. But this I could do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Peter - I will check this out. I'm sure I now owe you a beer.
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