[TheForge] Removal of Norton

[Ries Niemi]

Jerry, we love to piss you off- the results are so entertaining.

However, all the complaints you list below are just as true for modern Windows systems- they do lots more than you tell them too, the try to sell you stuff every five minutes, and they auto correct everything but your sexual preference.

I am running two different versions of Windows these days, and both of em are MORE intrusive than the current apple operating system.

What you say about price was absolutely true for the 1984 Mac I bought- it was fiendishly expensive.
Current desktop models, however, run right around a grand to eleven hundred.
A truly equivalent PC that you build yourself is not any cheaper than that.
If you buy an off the shelf PC from a major brand, its also gonna run you at least what the Mac costs. 
This is apples to apples, (sic) new prices. 
There was a price differential once, but realistically, these days, its almost gone, and thats just for hardware- once you add in the additional software you need for keeping a PC healthy, the macs are cheaper. 
The only exception is if you are some kinda crazy "gamer". Me I dont have anywhere near enough time to waste on that stuff, but it is true you can build up a PC to be very fast at gaming. The people I have known who did it, though, inevitably spend more doing it than they do if they bought a mac- its kind of like hot rodders- never seen a 55 Chev with a built engine that was cheaper than a stock VW bug, brand new. Faster, sure.

As I said, I run 3 PCs. 
And about five macs. 

One thing I will say- if you have somebody debugging for twenty five bucks, thats an incredible deal, dont get that guy grumpy. 

Buy whatever the hell you want, and enjoy it.

But you cannot deny that macs do not have any of the ongoing maintenance issues that PCs do. 
You have more time than money, so you can dick around with the damn thing til your patience runs out.
I cannot.

ries




On Nov 1, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Jerry Frost wrote:

> Get uh Mac. They're TOO expensive. All the money I've spent since I got into
> computers (Commodore-64 days) up to the present contracting professional bug
> killing has cost a small fraction of what the first mac would've cost me,
> let alone the new models I would've bought over the years. Even having Joe
> come out and clean up the factory installed malware only cost me $25.00 and
> he'll be back on the same dime once he discovers how to clean out some of
> the more persistent factory malware. I'll probably feed him dinner and a
> beer but that's more a tip.
> 
> When a person considers price per value, the only reason Apple got out of
> the garage is because they virtually GAVE Apple comps to the school system
> to train an entire generation to use Apple and no other. Smart businessmen
> but I can't afford them.
> 
> Yeah, Windows can be a PITA but Microsoft at least pays a modicum of notice
> to customer comments and is debugging the OS. Not saying I wouldn't prefer
> to use an older more user friendly OS but a person just MUST be able to play
> with APPS and such without having to do something as old fashioned as type!
> Bummer I'm too old to want my machine to do more than what I TELL it to, and
> went to school at a time when the 3 Rs counted so I don't need spell and
> grammar check, let alone suggestions as to where to find products the
> computer believes will interest me.
> 
> TELLING me buy a Mac was Enrique's answer to my being unable to log onto the
> Artmetal website, the problem was with the site, and I was supposed to be
> running the blacksmithing section. So, suggesting I "get a Mac" is most
> likely to
> just  piss me off. 
> 
> Not targeting you Andy I just figure I can hit reply on your post without
> you having a canniption fit, like the more sensitive folk here.
> 
> Sorry to bother any of you by blowing off steam here.
> 
> Jer
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Vida
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 12:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Removal of Norton
> 
> Get a friggin' Mac.  Problem solved.
> 
> You're welcome.
> 
> 
> 
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