[TheForge] Removal of Norton

[Ries Niemi]

Andy and I have had our minor disagreements over some issues (well, politics, mostly), but I am totally with him on this one.

I own, or maintain for family, at least 8 computers, including 3 that run Windoze. 
And there is no way in hell I would ever let a Windoze PC online. 
The macs run for years and years, going to the crappiest Somalian illegal download sites, and worse- my kids download rap, participate in sports talk forums, and, being young men, undoubtedly more sordid things as well.
NEVER a virus, a trojan, or, most thankfully, a single dollar spent, or minute wasted, on supporting mr. MaCaffees habits for young men and drugs in costa rica, or whatever the hell frippery mr. Norton spends his money on.

As I said, I run PC's all the time- for some programs, they are the best. I just dont let them play in the schoolyard unattended- there are pervs out there.

Its really really easy, and much cheaper in the long run, to buy a new Imac refurbished from apple, and, when you get it, immediately install Windows. 
You can boot it up as either a mac or a Windows machine in fifteen seconds or so, and enjoy the best of both worlds. For web surfing, I boot in Mac mode. For programs that need it, I run Windoze. fast, safe, and easy, plus, generally speaking apple quality control and parts longevity far outlasts the third rate culling of reject parts you get at your neighborhood "build your own PC" store. Apple demands, and gets, the best of the production run of hard drives or displays. Many people run the little Mac Minis as servers, without ever booting them as Apple machines- the hardware is just so reliable.

When I compare the amounts my friends have spent on virus and debugging programs, to "save" a couple hundred bucks on the initial purpose, or to spite those damn california hippies- well, lets just say my bourbon fund is well endowed.

ries


On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:

> Get a friggin' Mac.  Problem solved.
> 
> You're welcome.
> 
> Or install OpenBSD on your box.   Secure, reliable... yeah.
> On 10/25/13, 6:11 PM, Jerry Frost wrote:
>> No, I can't even find the pesky files. Some stuff is easily uninstalled but
>> it seems the stuff that came factory loaded is well hidden. I'm betting
>> Norton and the others pay Microsoft well to make it really hard to uninstall
>> their . . . stuff. THEN there are the automatic MS8 updates that tend to
>> reload things I've managed to rid myself of. I did, on a day of lucidity
>> (read luck), figure out how to get Mcaffe to reinstall in the trash folder
>> and auto-dump itself. I sure wish I remember how I pulled that one off.
>> <sigh>
>> 
>> If I get frustrated enough I'm thinking I'll sic one anti malware program on
>> the others. Web root vs. Norton. At the sound of the tweep come out
>> SWINGING!
>> 
>> Jer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vincent Nakovics
>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:53 AM
>> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Removal of Norton
>> 
>> Frosty, have you tried to delete Norton while in safe mode? I had the same
>> problem several years ago and that was how I was finally to remove the
>> program.
>> Vince Nakovics
>> 
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