[TheForge] WHICH Harris torch for propane? (was: All States propane torch)

Wed Jul 17 17:44:42 EDT 2013

Jerry:
I just ran across this link for a rebuild kit, Using a "Clusty" search ( Goog and Bing were useless).
http://compare.ebay.com/like/140864830551?_lwgsi=y&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
that covers both model 25 and 29 Harris propane regs.
That infers that the seat and diaphragm size are the same in both regs for rebuilding....
and therefore, possibly interchangeable in gas flow

Does anyone have a preferred, reliable, low cost, online, Harris component supplier?

On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Jerry Frost wrote:

Thanks Clyde. After having Allstates repair one of my regulators I'd rather not do business with them anymore if I can help it. the attitude was just too "take it or leave" it for my taste. Lyle and I got along great but maybe that was because I sold a lot of torch sets for them. Oh well I'm glad to have the info to replace components when these wear out.

How's the Paleometallurgy in the McMillen swamp going?

Jer

On 7/17/2013 5:54 AM, Clyde Wynia wrote:
> Here is a copy of the email I got from Harris marketing guy, kingsley.
> Number 7 in the list of regulators should be the right one.
> 
> Clyde,
> 
> I hope all is well. I do apologize for the delayed reply to you. I have been
> traveling quite a bit since I saw you.
> 
> Here a summary of the Genuine Harris items they you are using.
> 1.	Torch Handle. Model 18-5. part # 1011820. Catalog pg. #13.
> 2.	Cutting Attachement. Model 49-3F. Part #1300440. Catalog pg. #8.
> 3.	Cutting Tips are 6290-NX (std. pre-heat) or NFF (heavy pre-heat)
> series. Various sizes. Catalog pg. #24.
> 4.	Gaugeless Regulator - Oxygen. Model 29-100-540. Part # 3600340. All
> Model 29's on Catalog pg. #44.
> 5.	Gaugeless Regulator - Fuel Gas (Adjustable - 1-15 psi). Model
> 29-15-510. Part # 3600260.
> 6.	Gaugeless Regulator - Fuel Gas (Adjustable - 1-50 psi). Model
> 29-50-510. Part # 3600320.
> 7.	Gaugeless Regulator - Fuel Gas ("Allstate" Preset delivery - Approx.
> 1 psi). Model 29-1C-510. Part # 3600325(?). Note - This item is not in our
> general Equipment Catalog. I need to confirm the part number and
> availability.
> 
> I have attached pdf files of the individual pages for your viewing pleasure.
> 
> 1.	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Binnion
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:41 PM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] WHICH Harris torch for propane? (was: All States
> propane torch)
> 
>  Harris F series torch mixers and associated tips are what we are talking
> about here. Harris sells torches that are modular. A torch body has the
> valves and gas fittings, a mixer where the oxy and fuel are combined and a
> tip tube to get the tip out where you want it and finally a tip.
> What I got was a 19-6 torch body, a H-16-S mixer, a DC-50-C tip tube and a
> 1390-B heater tip.
> 
> The larger torch body the model 50 has the built in pilot that is on the
> AllStates torch and may be the same torch body. It also can mount a Type F
> mixer. They have quite a few combinations of torch and type F mixer in their
> catalog.
> 
> Harris catalog
> http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/~/media/Files/PDF/Catalogs/GasApparatusCa
> talog_2005.ashx
> 
> The parts are available from a variety of online welding supply companies.
> As for the regulator what you want is a standard low pressure propane
> regulator like what would supply a house. They provide propane at about a
> max of 11-14 inches of water which is about 0.5 psi of  pressure and can be
> adjusted down if necessary and if sized properly provide more than adequate
> volume of gas. If you use a standard high pressure regulator on this torch
> you negate the special way the mixer works. Using a low pressure regulator
> the torch will pull all the fuel it needs from the regulator assuming the
> regulator is big enough by creating a vacuum due to the venturi in the
> mixer. This means once you set the initial fuel flow you only have to adjust
> the oxygen valve to change the flame size.
> 
>  I bought this regulator which is more than adequate for this torch.
> http://www.propaneproducts.com/catalog/propane-regulators/fisher-r232-two-st
> age-propane-regulator-710.html
> 
> 
> This torch puts out a lot of heat, I lost my focus this afternoon and melted
> a piece of 3/8 square stainless today very quickly.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
>  On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:57 AM, Bruce . wrote:
> 
>> Okay, when you guys have reached a final conclusion, how 'bout cluing
>> in the non-torch-literate amongst us (myself included) EXACTLY what
>> torch and configuration you mean.
> James Binnion
> jbin at well.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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