[TheForge] long time to read

[terry l. ridder]

hello andy;

Long time no read of anything by you, nice to see you are still your
gentlemanly and tactful self.

The solutions purposed are just that solutions, definitely not the best
solutions nor the worse solutions albeit the best and worse solutions in
this case may actually be the same. Which is to do nothing and let the
entire area subside until it reaches a natural stablized cliff. The
house which has been fallen into the ocean the past couple months was
originally built in the 1930s. Far nearly 80 years the ground and cliff
were stable, something started to perturb the area last year.

Stablizing the lower slope is a legal morass. The beach area is "public
land" part of the cliff slope is public land while most of the cliff
slope is owned by the party who owns the house that is falling down the
cliff.

the council (think county or township) will not spend money to stablize
the cliff. The people view it as using public fund (their council tax
money) to protect the wealthy and their estates. the house all ready
falling down the cliff is a legal nightmare. this council all ready has
an issue with a sewer pipe line which has been undermined by wave action
and they are having to dump raw sewage into the ocean to keep the sewer
pipe line from collapsing. not sure what they are doing to fix that
problem.

I would not be granted permission to come in from the ocean front with a
barge and a large horizonal boring machine which would have allowed
boring into the cliff face at a slight angle till a distant stable
anchoring point was reached. cables or steel bar and lots of concrete
would be pumped into the bore holes. the cables/steel bars would be used
to attach basically interlocking concrete railroad ties to build a
retaining wall. this was estimated at near 1,000,000.00 GBP. the other
property owners were very much "sure go for it, just do not ask us to
also help pay for it." So i had to look for other alternatives.

it is all moot at this point, the auction is over and all I know is that
my bid did not win the auction. I do not know what the win bid was.

after heart surgery here in the USA I will go back and anchor off the
coast and watch as house after house makes the trip to the  ocean.
as the brits say "should be jolly good fun!"

mother nature can be such a hard mistress.

On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Andrew Vida wrote:

>
> If I am reading this right then I can only conclude that they breed their 
> engineers especially stoopid in the UK.  The solution sounds idiotically 
> complicated and I doubt it would work.
>
> If the cliff is subsiding, there is either a slip plane along which it is 
> occurring or it is simply undermined, perhaps by surf action.  Either way, 
> there is a dividing line, either the slip plane or the natural angle of 
> repose.  Stabilization has to be rooted below the line or you do not achieve 
> stability.  This proposal to make the slipping mass so large a coherent chunk 
> that it will no longer slip borders on idiotic. It is a rube.
>
> One idea that comes immediately to mind in terms of a retaining structure 
> would involve sinking a series of bore holes about 20-24" in diameter, 
> dropping in some serious rebar and then fill with concrete. Because there is 
> no pounding, there is minimal exacerbation of the extant instability. 
> Because the bores are relatively small, there is less disturbance as well. 
> Bore, fill, repeat.  Then bring in the truckloads of fill... looks like 
> several hundred thousand yards of it.
>
> Too $$.  Cheaper to dismantle the dwelling, sell the assets and call it a 
> day.
>

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terry l. ridder ><>