[TheForge] opinions please, 2 Qs

Fri Apr 12 21:09:29 EDT 2013

Ya gotta look at the bright side of fracking.  It gives you a methane
utility right there at your water tap!  Put a coalescing filter in the
water line and you can run your gas furnace and stove off the methane,
for free!

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer
<artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Bruce . wrote:
>
> Pete -
>
> Go ahead with the hammer, but mount it on a slew of coil truck
> springs, like Cheyenne Mountain.  Then if you're really good, you can
> set up a resonance while using the thing that will bounce the anvil UP
> as hard as the hammer comes DOWN and you'll not only "silence" the
> thing vis-a-vis geological effect, but also get a blow twice what you
> would normally.  Not to mention it would be way cool.
>
> Cute!, though it might make tooling placement maddening.
> There was once  an hilarious CBA demo fearuring Bruce Northridge( RIP) and Joe Anderson,
> wherein they forged a cable knife from scratch.
> The anvil was suspended on a truck coil spring,
> and John Fick, then CBA pres, placed very powerful magnets in their back pockets while they were forge welding.
> Soon, there was an assortment of tongs and hammers stuck to their aft ends
> and they had to proceed spraddle legged from anvil to forge to keep their pants on.
> Neither of them was at all sober, but despite the wildly bouncing anvil
> they managed to turn out a very creditable cable knife for the auction.
> Timing was everything there too.
> I'd planned to build an " inertia block" foundation for the hammer,
> A big block of reinforced concrete on springs with carefully calculated mass, etc.
> I even got the springs, left over from Kirk Mc Neil's big Czech hammer...
> But the cost and work involved stalled that ambition out cold.
>
> But you don't have to worry about the cliffs lasting much longer,
> anyway.  I'm sure that Big Sur is high on the list of potential
> fracking sites...
>
> Yeah, no uncertainty there.  Just on the backside of our Santa Lucias mtn range, where my water most likely originates from,
> the drilling leases are already being negotiated. As the bird flies, it's disconcertingly close and we are at a lower elevation.
> Been thinking it's time to save up the bucks and get an official and detailed water quality analysis done. It's official "wilderness" between here and there, but.......
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer
> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>> Jerry, we are on the tumbled, wrinkled scrapings resulting from tectonic plate subduction. Under us we have 2 kinds of sandstone, chert, pillow lava, prehistoric beaches, clay layers and who knows what all. Because it's so steep, the little creek has cut deeply and the  scaling ravine walls  are pretty darn vertical as it nears the ocean. Coming up off the beach, the first 100' or so is also vertical, heavily fractured rock. Roughly the angle of repose sloping up the mtn to us. I don't see any real possibility of stabilizing structures and figure that at the age of 68 there's no point in even trying.
>> Like our last place, this place is on it's way into the ocean. We are betting we will croak before that happens, but who knows..geologicqal time is pretty brisk here.
>> OTOH, i'm probably over estimating the vibrational impact of the  little 165# hammer, given the fact that we have a major scenic hwy behind us with dump trucks and tour busses rumbling by every day. The hammer site is a fair distance from the most unstable faces.
>> The Caltrans crews have fairly completely turned over in the last few years and almost all of the old guys are gone. There was a scandal ( mostly pure BS driven by an AH bounder with bureaucratic ambitions) and the new guys are nice enough but divorced from most accumulated knowledge...That fiasco will prove expensive in the long run.
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Jerry Frost wrote:
>>
>> Pete, it wasn't an analysys as much as just my memory running. I haven't driven past your piece of Cal. in I don't recall how long, 99 I think maybe. I've driven 1 a few times since moving to AK, maybe 4 times but I've never put boots on the ground there. Close maybe but probably not within many miles.
>>
>> As I recall the geology on the western face in your general neighborhood is quake fractured whatever the stone. Even stabilizing techniques pose hazards. I'd need to do some drilling and sampling to pose even rudimentary methods. I'd be scared to consider doing water packers at all but it'd probably be a useful test. No! Don't do water packers!
>>
>> I'd say the toe of your face is being washed by the Pacific and will fail eventually, whenever that is, it's sure as death and taxes. Making a corner stable eough to take a little power hammer action isn't an unreasonable expectation. I'm thinking your judgement in when to use it would be more important than any foundation or slope stabilization design I could suggest, even with a good subsoil report in hand. And YEAH, I still have friends I can consult. I don't know if any of the Caltrans guys would remember me but there is one guy in FHWA who would if he hasn't retired.
>>
>> I'll see if I can drum anyone up who has first hand info or even field or submitted reports/recomendations/ etc. I think I'll do some searching and see what's what.
>>
>> Jer
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
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>>> Good analysis Jerry!
>>> What i fear here is water percolating down through fractured rock
>>> to a slanted clay layer below.
>>> The vulnerable slope's toe is completely gone on 2 of the 4 sides of us, though we are solider than talus...i think.
>>>
>>
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