[TheForge] OT: Government waste

Wed Mar 21 17:06:08 EDT 2012

     What kind of light bulbs I use should be my choice - not some 
government agency. The government at all levels is way too intrusive 
into the lives of it's citizens.

Now off my soap box.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

Thomas Jefferson
in a letter to E. Carrington,
May 27,1788

On 3/21/2012 12:13 PM, wmullett at bright.net wrote:
> The BULB law is something we should have done awhile ago.  We waste an awful lot of energy and generation capacity on inefficient lighting. In our new buildings, we are using nothing but high efficiency lighting and most commercial structures are retrofitting as fast as they can.  The payback is just too fast to ignore.
>
> There is a lot of miss-understanding about the new bulbs.  You don't have to give up light output with them - just do a little research on what you are buying.  Look at the lumens - that will show you the output - not watts.  You can find some comparisons on color rendition on-line.  I just got some new LED bulbs that are fantastic.  They are replacement for "40W" but they give out more that the 40W ever did and the color is good too.  AND they are 8W.
>
> Sure, some of the LED bulbs are expensive initially.  The bulb above though has an average life expectancy over 20 years.  And in this case, our local power company had a coupon the got me 50% off.  I ended up buying $120 worth of bulbs for $20.  The payback will be a very short time.
>
> BTW - pay attention to the manufacturer.  The bulbs Wallmart carries are usually junk.
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:54:25 -0400
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of "Bruce ."<freemab222 at gmail.com>)
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: Government waste
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>> Yeah, this light bulb law makes me crazy.  It's okay to heat your home
>> with electricity -- unless you do it with 100-wat incandescent bulbs.
>> I'm all for making bulbs more energy efficient but not if we sacrifice
>> light output.
>>
>> A year or two ago I bought three "100-watt equivalent" fluorescent
>> bulbs for overhead fixtures in my basement that can only dissipate 75
>> watt of heat, and used them to replace the 75-wat bulbs I had in
>> there.  Suddenly my basement was so dark I could hardly see.  Not only
>> that, but these bulbs took forever to ignite.  I took them back.  It
>> seems these things ignite slowly and come to full brightness slowly --
>> something they don't tell you on the label.  But this does me no good
>> if I need light in the basement for only 5 minutes.
>>
>> It's the one-size fits all issue again.  We need to pass a law against
>> one-size-fits-all laws!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Bob Ehrenberger<eforge at centurytel.net>  wrote:
>>> At the BAM meeting last weekend I was talking to one of our members that is
>>> a park ranger. He said that they just finished upgraiding the lighting at
>>> his park and visitor center.  He said that the upgrade will save them
>>> $8,000/year in electricity.  And it only cost us $300,000.  Only the
>>> government would think that spending $300,000 to save $8,000 was a good
>>> idea, that's a 37 year payback assuming there is no intrest on the original
>>> investment.  If you figure in the cost of the money at 5%, they are loosing
>>> $6,000/year.
>>>
>>> But that's OK they had a Fereral grant to pay for it.
>>>
>>> Oh yah, now they have a warehouse full of old florescent light tubes that
>>> they will have to pay to dispose.
>>>
>>> Robert Ehrenberger
>>> Shelbyville, Mo.
>>> eforge at centurytel.net
>>>
>>>
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>> -- 
>> Bruce
>> NJ
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