[TheForge] todays shooting in school.

Mon Dec 17 16:11:40 EST 2012

A semi-automatic firearm is not an "Assault Weapon" Never has been. That is purely a media invention.
I've known people to hunt with the semi-auto AR-15 rifle. All semi-autos function pretty much the same, the main differences are cosmetic on the outside. Which is why the Clinton Weapon Ban of the '90s never worked. 
I seem to remember the LA riots and the pictures of the Korean businessmen guarding their businesses with rifles that happened to have large capacity magazine. They didn't get burned out. The rioters gave them wide berth.
This is why it is constitutional. The Constitution is about self-defence and not hunting.
The real issue in this tragedy is how the system fails to deal with the mentally ill. When the country institutioanized the dangerously mentally ill and those who simply could take care of themselves, you had less crime committed by the mentally ill and less homelessness.
Rob
---- wmullett at bright.net wrote: 
> Baloney, You wrote: "There are less than 30 dead out of a nation of millions! "  
> 
> Don't trivialize!  No matter how many, this is horrific. 
> 
> There is no reason for large magazine clips or even assault looking weapons. 
> 
> I hunt and have many guns.  My neighbor even has a 223 - bolt action.  <<<< That is a hunting rifle.  An assault weapon - 223, semi-automatic with a large magazine is a man killer.
> 
> Call this for what it is.  Having these weapons available has nothing to do with hunting or the constitution.
> 
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:14:37 -0800
> >From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>)
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school.  
> >To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >
> >I apologize that you are disgusted by my response.
> >I realized that some folks would feel that way and elected to risk it.
> >But i was disgusted by the way our nation unquestioningly accepted
> >the wildly distorted reality that the media presents on this issue,
> > just so that they can sell advertising.
> >It's a dramatic and heart rending story,
> >but the odds of it actually happening to a child are literally 1 in a million.
> >We have lost all sense of proportion here, and consequently,
> >will spend our energies to little effect, while more important issues will be ignored.
> >The end result i seek, is less dead people.
> >
> >At this point, i'll bow out of this conversation and go heat and hammer some bronze.
> >Thanks to the listmom for tolerating this diversion.
> > 
> >On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:47 AM, <wmullett at bright.net> wrote:
> >
> >Sorry - but this kind of response is disgusting.  
> >
> >---- Original message ----
> >> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:30:19 -0800
> >> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>)
> >> Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school.  
> >> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >> 
> >> Just to raise a little sand:
> >> I'd note that we , as smiths, are part of a tradition of weapons makers,
> >> and so part of the onus lies on our shoulders.
> >> Still:
> >> We see this hysteria saturating the news and it fills our awareness totally...but ,
> >> This is a news event more than anything.
> >> We kill more folks in traffic every single day.
> >> There are less than 30 dead out of a nation of millions!
> >> We've lost all sense of proportion.
> >> 
> >> The automatic weapons are already out there  and impossible to recall.
> >> A few gallons of gasoline is more available and could easily have made this tragedy even more horrible.
> >> Adequately funding mental health and education would be a more constructive response.
> >> ...plus a snip from smith richard ferguson...
> >> 
> >> The highway death toll in the USA is about 90 people per day, the lowest it has been since 1949.  
> >> 
> >> The suicide rate is a little higher than the highway death toll, at 105 per day.
> >> 
> >> The homicide rate in the USA is also at a historic low, around 40 per day.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Bruce . wrote:
> >> 
> >> How about a national dialog about this too obvious problem?  Two
> >> shootings in one week -- in the holiday season, no less?  Seems to me
> >> it's time to form some sort of national policy.  Ignoring the issue is
> >> not working.
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, terry l. ridder <terrylr at blauedonau.com> wrote:
> >>> hello;
> >>> 
> >>> there is not much to say.
> >>> 
> >>> just take a moment and pray for the parents who have lost a child and
> >>> the families who have lost a parent. there is nothing that may be said
> >>> that will ease the pain and heartbreak these parents and families are
> >>> feeling.
> >>> 
> >>> hug your children and spouse tonight and tell them you love them.
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> terry l. ridder ><>
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