[TheForge] todays shooting in school. OT

Sat Dec 15 18:23:53 EST 2012

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On Dec 15, 2012, at 2:54 PM, James Davis wrote:

if a person is intent on killing people they will. the 9-11 people used a box knife and a plane ...McVeighused fertilizer 

> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:38:21 +0000
> From: williamsiron at comcast.net
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school. OT
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> So, what is the all too obvious problem? One solution would be to ban ownership of guns by anyone other than the govenment. Wait a minute, there is in the constitution an amendment  that has been interpreted to say personal gun ownership is legal. We could develope a chip to be implanted in every baby at birth that would signal to the central government when someone goes off kilter. The question then is What constitutes Off Kilter? If we eliminate guns, what's to stop someone from getting angry and using a knife or a baseball bat or ... 
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> I just finished final exams and the calculation of grades. Temper the above with a grain of salt. 
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> Mark Williams 
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> Snow Hill, Maryland 
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> From: "Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net> 
> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:30:19 PM 
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school. 
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> Just to raise a little sand: 
> I'd note that we , as smiths, are part of a tradition of weapons makers, 
> and so part of the onus lies on our shoulders. 
> Still: 
> We see this hysteria saturating the news and it fills our awareness totally...but , 
> This is a news event more than anything. 
> We kill more folks in traffic every single day. 
> There are less than 30 dead out of a nation of millions! 
> We've lost all sense of proportion. 
> 
> The automatic weapons are already out there  and impossible to recall. 
> A few gallons of gasoline is more available and could easily have made this tragedy even more horrible. 
> Adequately funding mental health and education would be a more constructive response. 
> ...plus a snip from smith richard ferguson... 
> 
> The highway death toll in the USA is about 90 people per day, the lowest it has been since 1949.   
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> The suicide rate is a little higher than the highway death toll, at 105 per day. 
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> The homicide rate in the USA is also at a historic low, around 40 per day. 
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> On Dec 14, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Bruce . wrote: 
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> How about a national dialog about this too obvious problem?  Two 
> shootings in one week -- in the holiday season, no less?  Seems to me 
> it's time to form some sort of national policy.  Ignoring the issue is 
> not working. 
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> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, terry l. ridder <terrylr at blauedonau.com> wrote: 
>> hello; 
>> 
>> there is not much to say. 
>> 
>> just take a moment and pray for the parents who have lost a child and 
>> the families who have lost a parent. there is nothing that may be said 
>> that will ease the pain and heartbreak these parents and families are 
>> feeling. 
>> 
>> hug your children and spouse tonight and tell them you love them. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> terry l. ridder ><> 
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