[TheForge] now Japanese nuke plants OT: POL:

[peter fels]

Hello Hoss;
I'd go for your argument,
if it wasn't for the persistence
of the radioactive isotopes that are being turned loose right now.

The size of the threats you are citing are orders of magnitude smaller! 
Just plain dinky by comparison!
So is the time scale!

On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Hoss McGregor wrote:

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> While we're stopping dangerous things, let quit driving cars. Course horses were more dangerous. We can stop steamships and go back to sailing. We can stop a whole lot of stuff because it might be dangerous.
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> New tech for nuke planets is safer. Yes there is still the waste issue, but some of the newer technology doesn't produce as much. All in all, it's more efficient than windmills ever will be(there's a reason we stopped using them).
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>> From: me at wargoth.com
>> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:03:48 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] now Japanese nuke plants OT: POL:
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>> To sum up my feelings on this a post from a friend...
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>> "A 41 year old nuclear reactor gets hit by a magnitude 8.9 earthquake, then
>> slammed with a 30 foot tsunami, followed by an explosion caused by a build
>> up of hydrogen gas that blew the roof off of the building, and the core is
>> intact and contained. I'm sorry, who exactly thinks that nuclear power isn't
>> safe?"
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>> More people die from coal mining and oil drilling every year, than have EVER
>> died from nuclear power... shouldn't we shut down those tech's first?
>> 
>> Jason Nass - MacTalis Ironworks
>> me at wargoth.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of peter fels
>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:46 PM
>> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] now Japanese nuke plants OT: POL:
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>> Seems you've summed it up about right to me Jim.
>> I do believe that until there is a convincing system in place 
>> to safely and economically deal with decommissioning and the spent fuel
>> stockpiles;
>> Not to mention places like Hanford...
>> That future nuke plants are a foolish proposition.
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>> I have a great affection for technology,
>> and believe research should go forward on all fronts..
>> But........
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>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:20 PM, James Binnion wrote:
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>>> Peter,
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>>> I know that Diablo Cyn should probably not have been built there but this
>> is the kind of compromise power companies make that I was alluding to.  Just
>> because there is a group of faults in CA does not mean that you can't build
>> a safe fission plant there, it is probably not economically viable to do it
>> with the types of reactors that are currently in use for power generation
>> but that does not mean it can't be done. With that said I am not certain
>> that there has been a "safe" commercial fission power plant built in the US.
>> The Navy is just barely able to do so and they can exert a level of
>> oversight and control on its contractors and operators that civilian power
>> companies can't even come close to. And yes I know there are problems with
>> the military contractors and oversight issues. However when the
>> commissioning crew is going to have to ride, sleep, eat and live within 100
>> feet of the reactor core they tend to watch what the yard guys are doing
>> rather closely. 
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>>> The newest generation of power reactor designs use gas moderated cores and
>> are theoretically not able to melt down because they don't rely on water to
>> cool and transfer power from the core. But none of them have been built in
>> the US as we have had an unofficial moratorium on new nuclear power plants
>> for 25 years now. I would be very happy to see the pressurized water
>> reactors go away but as long as fossil fuels are available and cheap we will
>> not be driven to build new safer fission plants. 
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>>> 
>>> James Binnion
>>> jbin at well.com
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