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Thu Apr 21 14:33:12 EDT 2011

I'm sorry, I guess I'm one of the souless killing machines.  I used to have people ask me how I could make very tame docile pets out of rabbits, then kill and eat them?  I said I'd intended on eating them from the start and that it was a whole lot easier when they were tame and docile.  They would hold still.  I like to hunt.  I eat what I hunt.  I'm not a trophy killer.  I also believe in helping to thin wild herds that are growing past their habitats ability to support them.  But, ultimately growing animals to eat is a means to make it easier to catch and kill them for food when needed.  I saw a list of things that every human should be able and prepared to do to live.  On this list were such things as building shelter, clothing oneself, securing clean safe water.  On this noble list was hunting, raising gardens, raising animals, butchering those animals, and cooking them.  Right along side it was blacksmithing.  Please note, that while we can make do without meat such as our society is now.  If we ever have a serious societal collapse, then all of these antiquated things become very important.  You can't pass up a meal when you don't know where and when the next will come, because it feels morally wrong to kill an animal.  Besides, given the chance most pigs when hungry would eat us and have no moral compunction about killing an eating us. So as smart as an animal may be, none of them were burdened with a conscience like us.  
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Over the years, I had to dispatch a number of stray dogs that were chasing
my sheep &  pigs:  stay dogs  in the livestock killing mode.  I figured
that the dogs came from city people that don't know what to do with their
dogs, so they haul them out into the country side and dump them.  Every
single time that I had to kill a dog:  the dog always turned and looked
into my rifle at the last moment.

I found the same to be true with pigs... but they would look at me, but
then the pig would try to get away in panic.

I do eat meat, but killing and butchering the critter myself, makes the
meal a lot harder to swallow.
I've butchered my own pigs, goats, even a beef.  Each time I felt a lot
like becoming a vegetarian.  There is something about killing that feels
to me like "bad karma".  I've seen those wild life hunting shows on TV ..
where the hunters express a  joyful feeling on making their kills.

I can't imagine how anyone feels joy in killing, even when something needs
to be dispatched.  That was  one thing that the Navi talked about in  the
movie  "Avatar".. It struck a note with me.

Dann

> Butchery is ugly, foul business as far as I am concerned.  When I was a
> kid I spent time on a farm out by grandma's place.  I helped the farmer,
> whose name I oddly no longer recall, with a little of this and that.  He
> raised hogs among other things.  Every day we slopped them with moldy
> bread, some grain, and water.  They loved it.  One evening he told me
> that in the morning he was going to slaughter a hog for market and asked
> me to pick one.  I did.  The next morning, come feeding time, all the
> hogs were doing their usual thing, crowding the trough except the one I
> picked out.  That boy was trying to squeeze himself into a crack between
> the boards in the barn.  That experience never left me.  They know.
> They want life as much as do we.  That is nothing any decent person
> treats lightly.
>
> wmullett at bright.net wrote:
>> When we butchered, we only used a 22, but that was with them standing
>> still.  When you came back to shoot the second one though, they all
>> jammed themselves into the corner with their heads tuned, squealing like
>> mad.  Kind says they understood what was happening.
>>
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>>> peter fels wrote:
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>>>> Don't wanna bore you Mike...But you are probably
>>>> gonna want  more than 4, .22 zip guns to confront a boar.
>>>> Probably.
>>> 	I'm not sure a .22 lr would even succeed in pissing one off much more
>>> than it already would be if it felt the need to charge you.
>>>
>>> 	Speaking of which, I have no idea what would be a reliable one-shot
>>> stop for such beggars.  Biggest I have is a 270 and I do wonder if it
>>> is
>>> enough.  Great on  deer and humans, but those boar are crazy tough
>>> beasts.
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