[TheForge] fireplace crane hardware

[peter fels & phoebe palmer]

Functionally, i generally drill holes in the masonry to hold welded on 
rebar ( expansive cement) under ther mud.

On 11/25/2010 9:08 AM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
> I'm no expert on this, but I've never heard of holes to let mortar in.
>   For the mounting posts for shutter dogs, chisel cuts were sometimes
> made in the edges.  These, however, were typically set in lead.
>
> Since the piece will be hidden by mortar, I  presume, it doesn't
> matter much except for structural integrity.  How about a step or
> taper so that the "inside" width is larger than the "outside" width,
> effectively locking the piece in the mortar.  If the fireplace were
> under construction, then a bend in the piece so it locks around one or
> more bricks might be a good idea, but I understand that's not the case
> here.
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Bob Ehrenberger<eforge at centurytel.net>  wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> How is the strap that gets mortared into the wall prepaired?  Do they have
>> chisel cuts to give ithem grip, small holes to let the mortar in, or just
>> flat relying on their size to provide the grip? One of the fireplaces that I
>> examined was in such bad shape that I could have just pulled the strap out,
>> but that would have probably brought the whole thing down. That woldn't have
>> made me any friends in the colony, since the house was owned by the colony
>> and not an individual..
>>
>> Robert Ehrenberger
>> Shelbyville, Mo.
>> eforge at centurytel.net
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> To: "Bob Ehrenberger"<eforge at centurytel.net>; "Blacksmithing List Sponsored
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>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:43 PM
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>>
>>
>> What I've seen on the Eastern Shore is two pieces of strap about 2 - 3
>> inches wide and 3/8 to 1/2 inch thick with a hole of perhaps 3/4" diameter
>> at the one end mortared into the brick wall of the fireplace/hearth. The
>> upper pin is longer than the lower to facilitate mounting.
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to Sonns' Early American Wrought Iron, you could look at "Hooks,
>> Rings and Other Things" by Barnes or "The American Hearth" by Barons and
>> Card ISBN 0-937318-23-X
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Williams
>>
>> Snow Hill, Maryland
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Ehrenberger"<eforge at centurytel.net>
>> To: "theforge"<theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:21:33 PM
>> Subject: [TheForge] fireplace crane hardware
>>
>> I've got a customer that wants a fireplace crane for an 1840's German colony
>> house that she is restoring. Making the crane itself is no problem, but I'm
>> unsure about period correct mounting hardware. It is my guess that the top
>> pivot point would have feathered edges and be mortered into the side of the
>> fireplace. I have no idea what the bottom pivot should look like, a plate
>> with anchor bolts holding it in place? A plate recessed in the hearth and
>> mortered into place? Maybe a just a hole in one of the hearth bricks? Or
>> maybe a large hole with a washer mortered in place?
>>
>> I've been looking through my blacksmith books and can't find the details I
>> need.
>>
>>
>> Robert Ehrenberger
>> Shelbyville, Mo.
>> eforge at centurytel.net
>>
>>
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