[TheForge] Slack tank...POL OT

Sun Dec 19 22:11:16 EST 2010

agreed on that point Mark

On 12/19/2010 5:52 PM, Mike Linn wrote:
> Since when have we had a free market???  The pols of both parties can't keep their paws off.
>
> There is a vital but limited role for government... and running the day to day  free exchange of goods and services ain't it.
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> On 12/19/2010 2:04 PM, Craig Schaefer wrote:
>> Slowing/stopping foreign oil imports is a great idea, but should be
>> performed by individuals at their level and not by government economic
>> policies.   Oil consumption will decrease as it's expense to produce and
>> deliver goes up.   Just leave the market alone and we'll run out and switch
>> to something else.
> If the US waits that long we will be very broke and in a really nasty pinch.
> Look how well the magic of the market worked  on the last 2 market crashes.
> Look how well it did during the last energy crunch and the one before that.
> Look how well it did  consequent to  bush's deregulation.
>> Already wind turbines have begun to slow the earths rotation.
>> Did I read that somewhere or make it up?
> Hey! Longer days! Who could argue!
>> CraigS
>> Gresham, OR
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>>> There are thousands of scientists involved with this problem.
>>> In any group of thousands, you are sure to find fools, cheats, screw-ups
>>> and dissenters.
>>> You found some. Big deal.
>>> Scientists are trained to question and challenge all viewpoints put
>>> forward..they are supposed to do that.
>>> As to following the money...that, in theory applies less to legit
>>> science than in most other areas...in theory.
>>> Obviously, the really  big money influence here, ( trillions!) ,comes
>>> down on the anti-global warming side!
>>>
>>> Even if the GW theory is wrong......
>>> Are you really opposed to stopping the economic hemorrhage of our
>>> foreign oil imports?
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2010 8:26 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>>> Mike Linn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fWrHldg3
>>>>>
>>>> This is a riot.  Mr. SCientist himself pretty well admits to either
>>>> fraud or gross incompetence, yet those in seats of power would turn the
>>>> world on its ear based on his "research".  OK.
>>>>
>>>> This part is precious:
>>>>
>>>> "Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom
>>>> of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant
>>>> papers."
>>>>
>>>> If it looks like a lie, walks like a lie, and quacks like a lie, it is
>>>> probably not the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Jones is doing the two-step to keep himself out of prison for all his
>>>> legs will carry him.  Let us not be naive beyond the limits of even the
>>>> most profound stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> One thing people who so readily accept the GW deal seem to fail to do is
>>>> examine the non-trivial litany of interests that so clearly conflict
>>>> with those of the rest of the world.  Follow the money.  Always follow
>>>> the money.
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