[TheForge] Slack tank...POL OT

Sun Dec 19 20:48:16 EST 2010


On 12/19/2010 3:13 PM, Craig Schaefer wrote:
> Kind of a socialist VAT?   How do we calculate it?
The alternative would be having every affected party sue every energy 
producer..good luck.
We can do a rude job of calculating the costs...it's already been done a 
number of times.
The math isn't the problem.
It's neither socialist nor value added...it's value detracted.
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>> Wind turbines slowing earth's rotation.  Fat chance.
>>
>> We can let the fossil fuel market take its course when it starts
>> paying its way.  Social costs should be added to the price of
>> everything -- but they aren't.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Craig Schaefer
>> <craig.schaefer at frontier.com>  wrote:
>>> Slowing/stopping foreign oil imports is a great idea, but should be
>>> performed by individuals at their level and not by government economic
>>> policies. Oil consumption will decrease as it's expense to produce and
>>> deliver goes up. Just leave the market alone and we'll run out and switch
>>> to something else.
>>> Already wind turbines have begun to slow the earths rotation.
>>> Did I read that somewhere or make it up?
>>>
>>> CraigS
>>> Gresham, OR
>>>
>>>
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>>>> There are thousands of scientists involved with this problem.
>>>> In any group of thousands, you are sure to find fools, cheats, screw-ups
>>>> and dissenters.
>>>> You found some. Big deal.
>>>> Scientists are trained to question and challenge all viewpoints put
>>>> forward..they are supposed to do that.
>>>> As to following the money...that, in theory applies less to legit
>>>> science than in most other areas...in theory.
>>>> Obviously, the really big money influence here, ( trillions!) ,comes
>>>> down on the anti-global warming side!
>>>>
>>>> Even if the GW theory is wrong......
>>>> Are you really opposed to stopping the economic hemorrhage of our
>>>> foreign oil imports?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/2010 8:26 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>>>> Mike Linn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fWrHldg3
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is a riot. Mr. SCientist himself pretty well admits to either
>>>>> fraud or gross incompetence, yet those in seats of power would turn the
>>>>> world on its ear based on his "research". OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> This part is precious:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused
>>>>> Freedom
>>>>> of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant
>>>>> papers."
>>>>>
>>>>> If it looks like a lie, walks like a lie, and quacks like a lie, it is
>>>>> probably not the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jones is doing the two-step to keep himself out of prison for all his
>>>>> legs will carry him. Let us not be naive beyond the limits of even the
>>>>> most profound stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing people who so readily accept the GW deal seem to fail to do
>>>>> is
>>>>> examine the non-trivial litany of interests that so clearly conflict
>>>>> with those of the rest of the world. Follow the money. Always follow
>>>>> the money.
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