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[Mike Linn]

Actually there is NOT consensus. That term you used "responsible scientists" is one of many descriptors used to denigrate those who have not accepted the pablum of the global warming alarmists. 30,000 years ago Detroit was under a mile of ice...  I figure it's been warming on average, ever since, and it wasn't caused buy evil SUVs.

How do the global warmists explain the average warming on Mars? It was rather convenient the moniker changed from global warming to "climate change" when the average temperature for the past 10 years went down. The climate is ALWAYS changing.. It always has, it always will. It was changing long before future humans climbed out of the primordial muck. 

I have one question for those who think we humans are causing the destruction of the earth via climate change. Exactly what is the optimum temperature of the earth? Should it be cooler than it is now? Warmer? By how much? Until you can answer that question you do not have enough information to act in any meaningful way. 

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On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:39 PM, xlch58 at swbell.net wrote:

> I think at this point there is pretty much agreement from responsible 
> scientists that global climate change is a fact, the main issue is 
> whether or not it is a result of man.  This is at the macro level.  At 
> the micro level, i.e. specific cities and regions,  I think it is 
> obvious that man is changing the local climate.    I am with Pascal on 
> this one.    As regards Al Gore he is singular in that he hasn't lost 
> any of his effectiveness since leaving office.    His wife though used 
> to chap my ass.   One of the most entertaining TV segments I ever saw 
> was her debate with Frank Zappa.
> 
> Charles
> 
> On 12/17/2010 3:16 PM, peter fels & phoebe palmer wrote:
>> Hey Andy;
>> Go look at the data and the puter models.
>> The folks who understand them are pretty well convinced...
>> and they are way smarter than either one of us.
>> Besides, even if we take them seriously and move to
>> alternative energy sources...and they turn out to be wrong...
>> Then we will be in a position to stop sending so many trillions
>> of bucks to people who don't much like us.
>> 
>> On 12/17/2010 6:23 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>> Mike Linn wrote:
>>>> s... But then again with all the global warming I can't imagine why
>>>> they would be needed.
>>> That's too funny.  The global warming syndica... erm,,, carte... erm...
>>> you know what I mean - met in Cancun.  Lowest temperatures there in over
>>> 100 years.
>>> 
>>> Al Gore, the very definition of douche.
>>> 
>>> 
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