[TheForge] Mark Krause held on bomb making charges

Sun Dec 12 03:50:56 EST 2010

On 12/11/2010 3:29 PM, Mike Linn wrote:
> I guess I should feel a bit slighted at the bigoted comment you just made. Apparently we rednecks who happen to live south of the Mason-Dixon line are incapable of looking at the presented evidence and making an educated decision about beyond a reasonable doubt. Since I give NO ONE the power to offend me, I'll chalk it up to ignorance based on what you see on t.v. I guess using your logic a guy from Mississippi could never get a fair trail in San Simeon, CA either.

My respectful apologies;
No offense at all was intended  Mike.
I'll concede that i haven't been in the south for years and my 
viewpoint  is  dated....ignorant as accused.
But, I'd say the same thing about the chances of his getting a fair 
trial here.
I watched something similar happen some years back, when i was on jury 
duty at the county courthouse.
I was the first peremptory challenge. They retained jurors who openly 
said that , because the police arrested them, they must be guilty.
It was real clear that the accused  weren't going  to have a chance with 
that jury,
  long  before the evidence was presented.
Much of Southern and inland Ca is similarly inclined.
And i do see reports of how most of the south voted.
Incidentally, we don't have any TV feed or reception,  just poky internet.
And yes, a right wing guy from Mississippi would face considerable prejudice
  from a jury in , say, Santa Monica, or coastal Northern CA, if charged 
with planting a bomb in a church and polling place.

You've seen the FBI affidavit , the machine-gun videos  and the news 
reports...
Do you think a California liberal artist type with tattoos , who clearly 
likes explosives, has an attitude, and whose pissed off ex wife ( my 
guess) may well testify against him...
Is gonna get a fair trial in Osage?
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:23 PM, peter fels&  phoebe palmer<artgawk at thegrid.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike;
>> The FBI affidavit looks pretty circumstantial, as evidence goes, to me.
>> The informant may well be his ex wife who is apt to be very unhappy
>> about Mark
>> and his pretty new blacksmithing lady friend.
>> Mark is too politically aware, and empathetic to even consider a CS,
>> counterproductive and ineffectual
>> act like the one described. It's just not in his character.
>> My worry is that as a Californian with liberal leanings ,a taste for
>> firearms and blowing the anvil;
>> he's going to have a tough time in this political climate, getting a
>> fair trial, there in the south.
>>
>> On 12/11/2010 8:08 AM, Mike Linn wrote:
>>> I hate to say it as I don't know the guy, but the affidavit seems pretty clearcut and damming. You read all the time about people whom family and friends would never have suspected.
>>>
>>> He'll get his day in court, and the prosecution will have to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2010, at 8:24 AM, "Rome H. Hutchings"<tpimg at tds.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was taken down, apparently the email was not totally Board approved.
>>>> When
>>>> I received the text content from Paul Boulay (1st VP) for the Constant
>>>> Contact it
>>>> was thought that the Board had approved to put out the word for Mark.
>>>>
>>>> To the contrary!  I received a request from Peyton Anderson, ABANA's new
>>>> President
>>>> to take down the posting and remove the link from my Facebook page.
>>>>
>>>> So much for the new Board being on track and progressive in thought and
>>>> deed.
>>>>
>>>> I have since reposted the entire message with the links, minus the ABANA
>>>> header on
>>>> my Facebook page.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the content and links:
>>>>
>>>> Artist and Blacksmith Mark Krause was arrested last week on charges of
>>>> domestic terrorism. This stems from a home made device alleged to be a bomb
>>>> in the guise of a Pepsi can having been found at the Osage Baptist Church
>>>> that was being use...d as a polling place. This occurred a few days after
>>>> the 2010 ABANA conference which Mark attended.
>>>>
>>>> The connection between Mark and the bomb is that the house that Mark once
>>>> occupied and had abandoned due to foreclosure proceedings was found to have
>>>> pepsi can bits, modified batteries and drawings that were identified as
>>>> Marks that are said to resemble parts of the device.
>>>>
>>>> Marks long time friends and associates among the blacksmithing community
>>>> strongly support Mark and vouch for his character. Among these are Jill
>>>> Turman, Toby Hickman, and Jon Sarriugarte. Mark is the author of a guide on
>>>> how Nazel power hammers work and was known as the "power hammer whisperer"
>>>> for is knack of being able to coax the best out of these tools of our trade.
>>>> He had spent the last few months rebuilding the hammers of several West
>>>> Coast Smiths.
>>>>
>>>> You can find out about Mark's case and if you choose, contribute to his
>>>> legal defense fund see the "Donate with WePay" button on this page:
>>>> http://freemarkkrause.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Jon Sarriugarte's page http://www.formandreform.com/wordpress/?p=4314 has
>>>> additional links and shows the sculpture "Icarus" Mark was creating before
>>>> and after the ABANA conference.
>>>>
>>>> If you attended the 2010 Conference in Memphis and met or spoke with Mark,
>>>> have any information that may assist Mark, or are just simply a friend, Mark
>>>> is in need of your help.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "peter fels&   phoebe palmer"<artgawk at thegrid.net>
>>>> To: "Rome H. Hutchings"<rome.hutchings at theprairieismygarden.com>;
>>>> "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA"<theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mark Krause held on bomb making charges
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pulled a 404 on that link Rome. Ah well
>>>>> Thank you for alerting us to this travesty...much appreciated.
>>>>> Please add me to the list of folks vouching for Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/2010 4:01 PM, Rome H. Hutchings wrote:
>>>>>> You can see more information at the following link:
>>>>>> http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs033/1101903933417/archive/1104054990343.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "peter fels&    phoebe palmer"<artgawk at thegrid.net>
>>>>>> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA"<theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mark Krause held on bomb making charges
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friend Mark Krause..a fine artist-blacksmith, a good friend and a
>>>>>>> kind, creative  and generous person
>>>>>>> has been charged with bomb making etc.
>>>>>>> It's absurd but looks nasty.
>>>>>>> Please see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://freemarkkrause.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pete fels
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