[TheForge] Fw: setting fence posts

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

I was taught to set steel in stone using the drypack technique by an old 
tomb stone carver. The result is way stronger than a poured mix.
But that does infer a lot of compaction.

David E. Smucker wrote:
> Dan, I don't agree, not throwing stones here just concrete.  For the highest 
> strength concrete you want a very "dry" mix, problem is that this isn't easy 
> to place.  There is a lot of data out there on this -- not just my word. 
> But from my experience the worst foundation I every had to remove was one 
> that was placed in about 1920 using what they called dry pack at the time. 
> They made a very very dry mix and placed it by impact hammering it into the 
> forms.  It was hell to remove, and didn't even have rebar in it.   We were 
> inside a mill building and didn't really want to blast.
> 
> In the case of the posts by using the mix completely dry you get a slow 
> hydration of the cement -- from the moisture in the ground, makes a very 
> strong concrete -- it just that it takes some time.
> 
> No question if you a going to do lots of these the a commercial mix and 
> pumper is the way to go.
> 
> Dave
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Brewer" <danqualman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>; "Blacksmithing List 
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] setting fence posts
> 
>> Just stetting the bag in the hole without mixing gives mass to the post 
>> but
>> if you mix the bag with water the result will be a stronger mix.  One 80 
>> lb
>> bag per pole.  Use a line to keep the fence stright.
>> Dan in Auburn
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:26 AM, terry l. ridder 
>> <terrylr at blauedonau.com>wrote:
>>
>>> hello;
>>>
>>> i have received my county permit to build my fence. i am looking at the
>>> various cement mixtures offered by quikcrete and others and do not get a
>>> good feel for just how many 40/80 lbs bags would be needed per fence
>>> post. i am using a 3-pt hitch post hole digger with a 9inch auger. the
>>> fence posts are 2 inch galvanized pipe. basically each hole is roughly
>>> 1.76 cubic feet. the pipe does take up some space but it is small
>>> compared to the hole. the fence is 400 ft long with a fence post every 8
>>> ft. roughly 50 fence post. so roughly 1.78 cubic feet x 50 gives 88
>>> cubic feet of cement is needed. what is the least expensive why to make
>>> up the necessary cement mixture for setting fence posts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> terry l. ridder ><>
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