[TheForge] Fw: Fw: forging contest

[David E. Smucker]

Ries,  You are most likely correct about it being country wide training 
requirement.  They also require testing for rating as a "Master".  We had a 
very skilled young machinist running the assemply team for a 20,000 
horsepower drive train for a hot mill in Italy.  He was about 30 years old, 
very professional, spoke very good English and on top of everything being 
done.  One day he came to me and said that he was going to be gone for 2 
days and was that OK.  He then said that he was schedule to take his 
"Master's Test" and that was the reason he need to return to Germany.  It 
wasn't a problem and he passed with flying colors.

Dave

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From: "ries" <ries at riesniemi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:43 PM
To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Fw:  forging contest

> Dave, as far as I know, this test is required of every German
> apprentice, even today.
> There is something to be said for good old fashioned unions- in
> Germany, the Unions have enough influence, including seats on the
> boards of directors of steel mills and car makers, to ensure that it
> is legally required to actually know what you are doing before you can
> call yourself a machinist. Or a cabinetmaker, butcher, or, even a
> blacksmith.
>
>
> ries
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:40 AM, David E. Smucker wrote:
>
> Bob,  That a great one, I like that.
>
> It reminds me of machinist training with a German company I use to work
> with.  Young appreciates were given a rough cut piece of hot roll
> steel and
> required to file a cube to high precision.  The only tools allow were a
> vise, file and try-square.  Had to meet the inspectors requirements or
> you
> had to keep on filing.  Those with the smallest cube got the lowest
> grade
> and had to work the longest.
>
> Those machinists were some of the best I ever worked with and really
> knew
> how to build one-off world class rolling mills.  The company was SMS AG.
>
> Dave
>
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> From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging contest
>
>> This is one I used several years ago at our local hammer-in. I
>> prepared several pieces of 1" round cut 1.27" (I believe)long. This
>> makes
>> each piece 1 cubic inch in volume. The assigned task was to hammer
>> each
>> piece into a cube as accurately as possible. The only tools allowed
>> were
>> hammer and tongs and a pencil or some other marking device - no other
>> measuring devices allowed. My intent with the marking device was
>> that they
>> would set the round on end at the corner of the anvil and mark a 1
>> inch
>> square at the corner but no one used it - they just started
>> hammering. I
>> was
>> not concerned about being exactly 1" cubed as much as the cube having
>> equal
>> sides and square corners.
>>
>> Be prepared for judging with calipers and a square. To determine the
>> winner the final 2 were checked with a square and calipers and it
>> was not
>> an
>> easy task to eliminate one of them to second place. As I remember the
>> winner
>> was within about .030" from having equal sides and very little out of
>> square.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>> The Eagle's Anvil
>> WB8NQW
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dan tull
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:57 PM
>> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net; The_Anvil at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [TheForge] forging contest
>>
>> Trying to come up w/ a contest for a conference. Needs to be less
>> than 30
>> mins.,and more objective than subjective. All skill levels. Forge
>> welded
>> rings, nails, RR spikes, and just plain drawing out for length  have
>> been
>> done in the past.  What do you think could be done w/ a min. of
>> special
>> tools?
>>
>>
>> dan tull
>> Georgia
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