[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Bob Willman]

	I believe that one can make a very convincing argument that since the government folks have these kinds of arm then the citizens should have equivalent arms at their disposal. We tend to assume that mere possession of arms leads to their use. Free men governed by a government that respects their freedoms have no need to use such arms but if that government should forget it's purpose then .... 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

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Andy,

It's not really the "infringing" part that I mean to question. It's the definition of "arms".

In 1776, a musket or rifle was really not that powerful a weapon.  The firing rate was perhaps twice a minute, IF someone was guarding you while you reloaded.  Without the bayonet, an army of musketmen would not have been so effective.

So fast forward to today and we find that "arms"  could include fully automatic weapons with any sort of load.  Somehow I don't think that's what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.

Bruce

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Andy Gladish <gladish at cablerocket.com> wrote:
> Bruce, you and I are about right in line in how we'd like the law to 
> behave in regard to firearms.
> Still, your letter is just one more attempt to "prove" that the phrase 
> "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
> means something other than "the right of the people to keep and bear 
> arms shall not be infringed."
>
> To 'Infringe' means to trespass upon- not to remove or negate, but to 
> step even upon the edges of.
>
> My understanding of this article is that even if the first phrase was, 
> "In order that people who like to have guns shall have all the things 
> that go boom that they want" it would still be the law of the land as 
> written, and apply to us all until amended by legal process.
>
> in·fringe      (ĭn-frĭnj')  Pronunciation Key
> v.   in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
>
> v.   tr.
> To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; 
> infringe a patent.
> Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
> v.   intr.
> To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an 
> increased workload that infringed on his personal life.
>
> [Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 + 
> frangere, to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.] in·fring'er n.
>
> The American Heritage(R) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth 
> Edition Copyright (c) 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
>
> Respectfully,
> Andy G.
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