[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

LOL!
Good observations Grant..I concede!..pf

Grant Marcoux wrote:
> Peter:  An interesting idea that civil liberties are to be considered in the
> spirit or technology of the times, with the 2nd amendment applying only to
> muzzleloaders.  Applying that logic, you could argue:
> 
> That the First Amendment applies to free speech that is written or spoken,
> but not broadcast or stored on electronic media.
> 
> That the 3rd amendment only applies to being forced to lodge troops in your
> home, US soldiers are another matter, since the US Army didn't exist then.
> 
> That the 4th Amendment applies to the privacy of ones home, but not your
> vehicle, travel trailer, RV, airplane or motel room, since those things were
> not invented yet.
> 
> That the 5th Amendment states that you cannot be compelled to be a witness
> against yourself.  Using your logic, modern drugs could be administered to
> secure your cooperation, as these substances did not exist in the Founders
> time.
> 
> This could be a long list!
> 
> Pete, your argument is a classic example of hyperbole....adroit, but
> misleading.  We love you anyway
> 
> "They say we should register guns because we register dogs....well, nobody's
> going to register MY dog
> and nobody's going to register my dog's GUNS either"
> 
> Grant
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Peter Fels &
> Phoebe Palmer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Criminal Background Check
> 
> 
> Obviously, the registration of firearms is in contradiction to the right
> to keep and bear arms against a possibly tyrannical govt, as per the
> constitutional intent.
> \As i've written before, this was in the context of the times.
> So, inarguably, a citizen has the right to carry a hand made, muzzle
> loading, black powder firearm anywhere, any time.
> That will make most folks more respectful and polite...police included.
> 
> Andrew Vida wrote:
>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>>> The nasty principle here isn't that someone's out to get you.  It's
>>> that once data is collected, it will be used, saved forever and used
>>> in whatever manner looks good at the time, legal or illegal, ethical
>>> or not, private or public good, profit or not.  There will always be a
>>> justification available along the same lines as the recently
>>> shitcanned DC cabal justifying torture because, well, you know, we really
>>> *really* needed to do it.
>> 	This is called "leverage".  Just look how it plays in politics.
>> Someone runs for office that doesn't meet muster for some interest.  The
>> next thing you know, that joint they spent a night in jail for back in
>> '73 makes headlines.  Remember Gary Hart and "Monkey Business"?  Of
>> course, in that case it was a good thing, but the principle is never
>> good, as far as I am concerned.
>>
>>> OTOH, I have to have a license with a photo (but no fingerprints) to
>>> own long guns.  At least it was a physical photo, not an automated
>>> digital database photo.  (Not that it makes a lot of difference in the
>>> long run.)
>> 	But do you have to register your arms in  the GWN?
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