[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Grant Marcoux]

Peter:  An interesting idea that civil liberties are to be considered in the
spirit or technology of the times, with the 2nd amendment applying only to
muzzleloaders.  Applying that logic, you could argue:

That the First Amendment applies to free speech that is written or spoken,
but not broadcast or stored on electronic media.

That the 3rd amendment only applies to being forced to lodge troops in your
home, US soldiers are another matter, since the US Army didn't exist then.

That the 4th Amendment applies to the privacy of ones home, but not your
vehicle, travel trailer, RV, airplane or motel room, since those things were
not invented yet.

That the 5th Amendment states that you cannot be compelled to be a witness
against yourself.  Using your logic, modern drugs could be administered to
secure your cooperation, as these substances did not exist in the Founders
time.

This could be a long list!

Pete, your argument is a classic example of hyperbole....adroit, but
misleading.  We love you anyway

"They say we should register guns because we register dogs....well, nobody's
going to register MY dog
and nobody's going to register my dog's GUNS either"

Grant





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Obviously, the registration of firearms is in contradiction to the right
to keep and bear arms against a possibly tyrannical govt, as per the
constitutional intent.
\As i've written before, this was in the context of the times.
So, inarguably, a citizen has the right to carry a hand made, muzzle
loading, black powder firearm anywhere, any time.
That will make most folks more respectful and polite...police included.

Andrew Vida wrote:
>
> Mike Spencer wrote:
>
>> The nasty principle here isn't that someone's out to get you.  It's
>> that once data is collected, it will be used, saved forever and used
>> in whatever manner looks good at the time, legal or illegal, ethical
>> or not, private or public good, profit or not.  There will always be a
>> justification available along the same lines as the recently
>> shitcanned DC cabal justifying torture because, well, you know, we really
>> *really* needed to do it.
>
> 	This is called "leverage".  Just look how it plays in politics.
> Someone runs for office that doesn't meet muster for some interest.  The
> next thing you know, that joint they spent a night in jail for back in
> '73 makes headlines.  Remember Gary Hart and "Monkey Business"?  Of
> course, in that case it was a good thing, but the principle is never
> good, as far as I am concerned.
>
>> OTOH, I have to have a license with a photo (but no fingerprints) to
>> own long guns.  At least it was a physical photo, not an automated
>> digital database photo.  (Not that it makes a lot of difference in the
>> long run.)
>
> 	But do you have to register your arms in  the GWN?
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