[TheForge] Criminal Background Check: way OT: Corrected

[Peter Hirst]

PS:  Posse Comitatus, in addition to the name of an ancient legal doctrine 
and an act of Congress, was the name taken by a Christian Identity group 
(famous members Gordon Kahl and William Potter Gale) a few years back . A 
fundamental premise of the group was that since the federal government is 
controlled by alien enemies, any group of citizens could and must invoke 
posse comitatus (the power of the county) to resist it.  the Act of congress 
prevents the US army from being used as a posse comitatus.   I use the term 
variously to refer to the doctrine, the ACt and the  mythology surrounding 
the act as well as the group.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Vida" <osan at netlabs.net>
To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Criminal Background Check: way OT: Corrected


>
>
> Grant Marcoux wrote:
>> Lads & Lasses:  Peter is correct on Miller v. US....the court disagreed 
>> with
>> appellant's 2nd Amendment claim on the grounds that there was no 
>> connection
>> between short-barreled shotguns and a "well-regulated militia"  However, 
>> the
>> court blithely ignored the use of short-barreled shotguns in WW1 by US
>> troops.  Interestingly, in the Miller case, neither side stood before the
>> court to make oral arguments.
>
>    Which is why the case was sort of screwed up.  Had Miller showed, a
> good case could have been made.  He disappeared into the mist, never to
> be seen again. :)
>
>    Rulings aside, I can still pay my $9 and saw the barrels off my coach
> gun to 10".  Not that I'd want to do such a thing to so nice a gun, mind
> you.
>>
>> The individual rights vs. collective rights arguments are a recent trend, 
>> as
>> Miller dealt with the aspects of a particular weapon in militia service, 
>> vs.
>> a collective vs. individual rights argument.
>
>    That is because it is only recently that anyone was ignorant enough not
> to be able to properly interpret the amendment.
>>
>> In Heller vs. DC, sadly, a bare majority found the 2nd Amendment to 
>> uphold
>> an individual right.  In the dissenting opinion, Justice Stevens 
>> commented
>> that even an individual right is a collective one, under certain
>> circumstances.  Wow...kinda sounds like Orwellian double-speak to me.
>
>    At least we know who the traitors and/or incompetents are on the SCOTUS
> bench.  Cold comfort, I agree.
>>
>> Stay tuned
>
>    Roger that.
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