[TheForge] jobs OT

[Ekaterina Harrison]

Grant,

> Bush more toxic than communists?  Can't agree with that one either.   
> Check
> up on the "De-Kulakization" of the Soviet Union under Stalin and
> administered by Khrushchev.  Millions killed under the theme of
> "Collectivisation"

More - Less, in my opinion not much difference. But, as Andy  
expressed, it is not so much Bush or Stalin as it is the Puppet- 
masters in both cases and the things they set in motion.

My family and I came here from The Soviet Union in the midst of the  
Cold War. My family saw it first hand. We experienced being  
blacklisted. We had friends killed. There were people disappearing.  
The mass media was used to spin the"news" and to build the "patriotic  
and nationalist" fervor. Citizens spying on citizens and turning them  
into the KGB so that they could have a chance of getting a better  
apartment, etc.

How is it different when in the US activists and journalists loose  
their jobs because they choose to report the truth and are blacklisted  
from airline travel?
How is it different when one expresses a different opinion from the  
government spin and one is immediately called unpatriotic?
How is it different when citizens and non-citizens alike are picked up  
of the streets and disappear into foreign prisons, without charges.
How is it different when the children's education is slanted?  When  
parts of history are not even taught? This was done in the Soviet  
Union , too.

There is another similarity. Once things are set into motion, the  
puppet- masters don't need to do much for it is done for them by the  
enslaved masses. As in one slave earns a higher standing over another  
( power over). What is all too often overlooked is if one is a slave  
it does not really matter the attached title as it does not change the  
fact that one is still a slave.

What I am saying just because it still appears that we have not  
totally fallen into what was in the Soviet Union does not mean that  
the seeds aren't already planted and growing. When we look back at   
history we should be able to recognize the potential and act  
accordingly. Unfortunately, most of us have missed much in learning  
about our own history and are not educated  or informed about the  
world we live in. When one has real information one can easily connect  
the dots, that is what most governments fear. Ever wonder why  
everything seems to be classified and off limits to the citizens?
It is very easy to say : " it does not effect me" . But, as history  
has shown this effects artist and businesses as well as everyone else.  
So this may well be of topic but it does effect blacksmiths directly.  
Whether we choose to pay attention that is our individual choice. I  
heard a wonderful quote the other day that I feel is appropriate: What  
you don't know can kill you!"

> Political Correctness is just the latest attempt to convince SOME  
> folks that
> you CAN pick up a turd by the clean end.

So true!

Ekaterina


On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:39 PM, theforge-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:

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> From: "Grant Marcoux" <gblacksmith at alamedanet.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] jobs OT
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> Pete:  Even at 63, you are not old enough to remember that Habeas  
> Corpus was
> suspended during our Civil War and that there were "secret military
> tribunals" in WW2 and of course, the incarceration of our Japanese- 
> descended
> American citizens without even the pretense of legal proceeding.  This
> tub-thumping was led by a man who was later to become a Supreme Court
> justice and a champion of liberty: Earl Warren.  Check out his  
> historic role
> in the "gentleman's agreement" regarding Asian immigration into CA  
> in the
> 30s.
>
> Bush more toxic than communists?  Can't agree with that one either.   
> Check
> up on the "De-Kulakization" of the Soviet Union under Stalin and
> administered by Khrushchev.  Millions killed under the theme of
> "Collectivisation"
>
> Bush dosen't come close.
>
> We tend to forget these things in the heat of the moment.
>
> Political Correctness is just the latest attempt to convince SOME  
> folks that
> you CAN pick up a turd by the clean end.
>
> Grant
>
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Peter Fels &
> Phoebe Palmer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:21 PM
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>
> We have gone markedly faster in that direction under Bush than at any
> time i can remember....I'm 63.
> Based on an attack fomented by a just few thousand extremist loonies,
> our president has abrogated more of our constitution than  whole
> generations of entire nations full of communists managed.
> This is way too close to Nazi values for me....pete f