[TheForge] jobs OT, OT, OT

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

Andrew Vida wrote:
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> Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>> Hi Grant;
>> The civil war and WW2 were major threats to this to the existence of 
>> our nation, formally declared wars and  temporarily may have justified 
>> extraordinary measures.
> 
>     Rounding up those Americans who happened to be of Japanese descent 
> was not justifiable in any conceivable way.  That was not an 
> "extraordinary measure", but rather a criminal act against legitimate 
> citizens of this nation.  Why didn't we round up all the Germans and 
> Italians.  By the logic applied to the Jap. Americans, they should have 
> been.  How did that make us different from uncle Adolph in that 
> respect?  Another flying leap away from civilized living.
We agree on this..inexcusable, if more benign than the concentration camps.
> 
>> The "war on terror" is not in that category.
>> Neither is it of comparable gravity to the " commie threat" then.
> 
>     The cold war was a sham.  "We" knew the soviets were a bunch of 
> yahoos, but played along because of the long lever it provided where the 
> cultivation of power was concerned.  There was basically ZERO threat 
> there.  Contrary to US propaganda, the Soviets were not so eager to 
> throw the world away in pursuit of its dominion.  I seriously doubt they 
> ever considered a first strike.  They knew it would have been the end of 
> them and that was not the goal.
We agree mostly on this point too...but early on the commie movement was 
widely and hysterically heralded as a major internal threat,resulting in 
the Mc Carthy era and it's embarrassments. It was a more popular and 
longer lasting hysteria by far , than our present one.
> 
>> I did not say Bush was toxic.
>> I meant that under Bush , we have lost more of our CIVIL LIBERTIES to 
>> what was then, a relatively minor threat.....than we lost during the 
>> whole commie threat, cold war and all!
> 
>     That is perhaps true, but there have been a few notable instances 
> where good bites were taken from our rights.
No argument...Bush ain't the first and he won't be the last.
He is however, the worst in my memory..big time.
What worries me is that the kids are coming out of school nearly 
pig-ignorant of these issues , their history and their consequences.
  NFA34, GCA68 were two
> pretty significant ones.  Significant in that they revealed an agenda 
> that was afoot.  Still is.
> 
>> Our civil liberties are an important part of what makes this a great 
>> nation.
> 
>     And their serious erosion began in 1865 with the capitulation of the 
> South.
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