[TheForge] jobs OT

[Peter Hirst]

Andrew, I was right there with you up until that last line.  Well, with the 
minor exception of wondering where you were in October of 1962.

Otherwise some pretty good thoughts.

Save your Dixie Cups, the South will rise again!!  Just think where this 
nation could have led the world in the realm of civil liberties without the 
baggage of the 13th through 16th Amendments.

Sheesh.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Vida" <osan at netlabs.net>
To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] jobs OT


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>
> Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>> Hi Grant;
>> The civil war and WW2 were major threats to this to the existence of our 
>> nation, formally declared wars and  temporarily may have justified 
>> extraordinary measures.
>
>    Rounding up those Americans who happened to be of Japanese descent was 
> not justifiable in any conceivable way.  That was not an "extraordinary 
> measure", but rather a criminal act against legitimate citizens of this 
> nation.  Why didn't we round up all the Germans and Italians.  By the 
> logic applied to the Jap. Americans, they should have been.  How did that 
> make us different from uncle Adolph in that respect?  Another flying leap 
> away from civilized living.
>
>> The "war on terror" is not in that category.
>> Neither is it of comparable gravity to the " commie threat" then.
>
>    The cold war was a sham.  "We" knew the soviets were a bunch of yahoos, 
> but played along because of the long lever it provided where the 
> cultivation of power was concerned.  There was basically ZERO threat 
> there.  Contrary to US propaganda, the Soviets were not so eager to throw 
> the world away in pursuit of its dominion.  I seriously doubt they ever 
> considered a first strike.  They knew it would have been the end of them 
> and that was not the goal.
>
>> I did not say Bush was toxic.
>> I meant that under Bush , we have lost more of our CIVIL LIBERTIES to 
>> what was then, a relatively minor threat.....than we lost during the 
>> whole commie threat, cold war and all!
>
>    That is perhaps true, but there have been a few notable instances where 
> good bites were taken from our rights.  NFA34, GCA68 were two pretty 
> significant ones.  Significant in that they revealed an agenda that was 
> afoot.  Still is.
>
>> Our civil liberties are an important part of what makes this a great 
>> nation.
>
>    And their serious erosion began in 1865 with the capitulation of the 
> South.
>
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