[TheForge] jobs OT

[Grant Marcoux]

Pete:  Even at 63, you are not old enough to remember that Habeas Corpus was
suspended during our Civil War and that there were "secret military
tribunals" in WW2 and of course, the incarceration of our Japanese-descended
American citizens without even the pretense of legal proceeding.  This
tub-thumping was led by a man who was later to become a Supreme Court
justice and a champion of liberty: Earl Warren.  Check out his historic role
in the "gentleman's agreement" regarding Asian immigration into CA in the
30s.

Bush more toxic than communists?  Can't agree with that one either.  Check
up on the "De-Kulakization" of the Soviet Union under Stalin and
administered by Khrushchev.  Millions killed under the theme of
"Collectivisation"

Bush dosen't come close.

We tend to forget these things in the heat of the moment.

Political Correctness is just the latest attempt to convince SOME folks that
you CAN pick up a turd by the clean end.

Grant

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We have gone markedly faster in that direction under Bush than at any
time i can remember....I'm 63.
Based on an attack fomented by a just few thousand extremist loonies,
our president has abrogated more of our constitution than  whole
generations of entire nations full of communists managed.
This is way too close to Nazi values for me....pete f

schade at acegroup.cc wrote:
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:39 PM, <Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>> Seig Heil
>>
>
>
> Sieg Heil is a German phrase, which literally means "Victory Hail" or
> "hail victory". During the Nazi era, it was a common call at political
> rallies. When meeting someone, it was customary in Nazi Germany to give
> the Hitler salute and say the words "Heil Hitler". "Sieg Heil" was
> reserved for mass meetings such as the ones at Nuremberg where "Sieg
> Heil" was shouted in unison by thousands. Often a Nazi official would
> shout into a microphone "Sieg" and the crowd would answer with "Heil,"
> and there might be several repetitions of this at times in
> ever-increasing volume. At such rallies there was often a display of
> banners carrying the slogan "Sieg Heil" along with the swastika. The
> NSDAP (Nazi Party) made a pin badge in 1933 displaying a victory wreath,
> the Swastika, and the words "Sieg Heil".
>
> The expression itself was born during a party meeting, when Joseph
> Goebbels said "Sieg heil" and all supported the phrase (however an early
> associate of Hitler, Ernst Hanfstängl, claimed to have devised it).
> Since Nazism argued that war was a way to determine the superior race
> and that Germans were that superior race, hailing war was to hail the
> struggle that would eliminate all others and establish, in a social
> Darwinist manner, the "New Order."
>
> Today in Germany, using the greeting in written form, vocally, and even
> extending the right-arm without the phrase are forbidden. 1. It is a
> criminal offence punishable by up to three years of prison (StGB,
> section 86a)2. The same is true for expressions that might be mistaken
> for "Sieg Heil". Usage for art, teaching and science purposes is exempt
> from punishment.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_Heil
>
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