[TheForge] jobs OT

Tue Jun 10 16:58:43 EDT 2008

Well known.  Stated on porpose (mispoiled on porpoise) to show the idiocy of the argument.  Though the appearance of your response is that I have done something illegal, for now, it isn't illegal here<G>.

NO, I am not 100% for the government imprisoning people without cause.  On the other hand, there will always those that fall through the cracks.  Do we use each and every scrap of metal each time we craft an article?  No.  There will always be French fries that are dropped on the floor, scraps of meat on the serving plate that are not used (go to any yuppie watering hole and watch the amount of food that is thrown away, it is staggering).  There are always people who will be uninsurable for some reason; there will always be people who do not have jobs, even Christos the Jesus said that the poor will always be with us.  Who am I to go against the bible<G>?

Though it is a sad thing that a person is imprisoned, there may be a reason.  As well, there is always the assumption that the government is ALWAYS wrong, just like big companies.  Everyone hates the gas companies making profits, don't they?  As well, there could easily be a classified reason for keeping him, of which, if it is disclosed, a greater harm will be done than the incorrectness of imprisonment.  Until ALL is known, it is impossible to make a valid judgment.  Do I tell my wife that her hind side looks big in that dress and bear the slap, or so I let her look big in public?  Which is the greater wrong?  

The jails are full of prisoners, all of whom plead innocence.  The reason is that if a person lies and pleads innocence, then there is a chance that they will get off.  Either due to a good lawyer, fallacies in police work, or a good pick of the jury.  To not lie and plead innocence is stupid, given the rules of the system.  And yet, the prisons are full of innocent people; as we are told.

As a person may show one person falsely imprisoned, another may show one who is walking free.  To speak of extremes, while posing as if to try to find mediation and agreement; is the methodology of debate and furthers nothing except excessive excitement and argument.   

By the way, what have you hammered this week?  Just curious, asking in a non-argumentative manner, and getting back on topic<G>.  I've been too busy to hammer much the last few weeks, but have some half finished projects that I wish to continue working on.

All the best to all the best and the worst, whoever they might be, for it is certainly impossible to determine them from the slant of the keyboard or the hang of the apostrophe who is good and who is bad; who is right and who is wrong<G>.  But since we are all on this board, we are at least blacksmiths, and hackers, and phishers, well mostly blacksmiths<G>.

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Subject: Re: [TheForge] jobs OT

On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:39 PM, <Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu> wrote:

> Seig Heil
>

Sieg Heil is a German phrase, which literally means "Victory Hail" or 
"hail victory". During the Nazi era, it was a common call at political 
rallies. When meeting someone, it was customary in Nazi Germany to give 
the Hitler salute and say the words "Heil Hitler". "Sieg Heil" was 
reserved for mass meetings such as the ones at Nuremberg where "Sieg 
Heil" was shouted in unison by thousands. Often a Nazi official would 
shout into a microphone "Sieg" and the crowd would answer with "Heil," 
and there might be several repetitions of this at times in 
ever-increasing volume. At such rallies there was often a display of 
banners carrying the slogan "Sieg Heil" along with the swastika. The 
NSDAP (Nazi Party) made a pin badge in 1933 displaying a victory 
wreath, the Swastika, and the words "Sieg Heil".

The expression itself was born during a party meeting, when Joseph 
Goebbels said "Sieg heil" and all supported the phrase (however an 
early associate of Hitler, Ernst Hanfstängl, claimed to have devised 
it). Since Nazism argued that war was a way to determine the superior 
race and that Germans were that superior race, hailing war was to hail 
the struggle that would eliminate all others and establish, in a social 
Darwinist manner, the "New Order."

Today in Germany, using the greeting in written form, vocally, and even 
extending the right-arm without the phrase are forbidden. 1. It is a 
criminal offence punishable by up to three years of prison (StGB, 
section 86a)2. The same is true for expressions that might be mistaken 
for "Sieg Heil". Usage for art, teaching and science purposes is exempt 
from punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_Heil

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