[TheForge] Re: Free the Stake!

[Peter Hirst]

Hmmm.  I thought he was suggesting using the wedge to compress the shank of 
the stake inside the hole  WITHOUT splitting the block.


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From: "Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Free the Stake!


> Peter
> I think Frosty was telling you how to split the swage block as a last 
> resort. The feathers are thin, flat strips of steel that go on either side 
> of the wedge in the hole...it's an old stone splitting technique.
> Don't dismiss the electrolytic method if penetrating oil fails and don't 
> strike the butt end of the stake to avoid upsetting the dear old 
> thing....pete f
>
> Peter Hirst wrote:
>> I''m  fairly sure the stake is a REALLY old antique and I am treating it 
>> that way.  Thanks for your input, Frosty.  Espesially the feathers and 
>> wedge suggestion sounbds intruiging, but whats the "feathers" part?. Also 
>> why cool the block?  Seems like the more expansion of the hole, the 
>> better.  And what's an "inside pocket"?  Blind hole?  The stake goes all 
>> the way through the block and is exposed on the bottom  side.
>>
>> Peter
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Free the Stake!
>>
>>
>>> Good point Dave.
>>>
>>> The stake is also probably a pretty old antique and much harder to 
>>> replace than the swage block. I think I'd rather cut the block than the 
>>> stake if that were the only option left.
>>>
>>> If it's actually upset (peined) into the block my last ditch effort 
>>> before cutting the block would be to bring the whole thing to a bright 
>>> red, cool the block and using feathers and wedge like for rock 
>>> splitting, try to draw the shank down till it clears. There'd be a good 
>>> chance of breaking the block anyway so I'd probably cut the block and 
>>> repair it afterwards. Hopefully it isn't an inside pocket.
>>>
>>> Whatever I did I'd do my best to not damage the stake.
>>>
>>> Frosty
>>> -------------------------------
>>> If it ain't forged
>>> it ain't real.
>>> Wrought iron is.
>>> The FrostWorks
>>>
>>> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "David E. Smucker" <davesmucker at hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Folks,  Keep in mind that Peter has said that most likely that this 
>>>> stake is real wrought iron.  Hitting the bottom of the stake may very 
>>>> well cause it to upset ahead of the hole. (Cold Upset)   In fact this 
>>>> might be part or all of the problem from a previous owner.  I had a 
>>>> tractor attachment pin recently that was a real devil to remove -- 
>>>> rather than have some hardness it was just mild steel.  Banging on it 
>>>> had caused it to upset in the hole. Even after cutting it off I 
>>>> couldn't get it out of the bushing with a hammer and drift.  Had to put 
>>>> it in the press and push on it.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
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