[TheForge] Conference electricity

[Grover Richardson]

Hmm.  I think that we are coming at the point from different directions.
What is available at a site is important.  But what is needed is the bottom
line.  Certainly ranges of services available is good knowledge, but a
better direction with less guessing is to see what is needed for the
expected demonstration hammerers.  What is available at an industrial site
usually depends upon how much money you wish to put forth<G>.

And although past conferences are an indicator of what was done, what is
needed this year may be different.

The more knowledge of needs when one gets a quote, the more real the quote
likely will be.  Working with simulations one works with past knowledge and
projections.  But the further one ventures away from known knowledge the
more guessing takes place.


I have watched different organizations over the years.  When you go to a pow
wow, they bring in tourists who have money, therefore not excessively taxing
their specific subgroup.  This we can't do at a conference.  Another thing
is to find "sponsors" who (for advertising rights or whatever) will take
over some aspect and make the problem go away.  Someone mentioned having
power hammer vendors bring in units for demonstration and sale.  This takes
the problem out of our hands.  A vendor is unlikely to fail in performance
due to the immense negative impact.

Yes, there is more than one way to skin a chicken<G>.

Then again, bring in the strikers.  Pay them in beer and pizza after the end
of the day.  Cheaper, and provides entertainment for the ladies who
otherwise might stray.

-----Original Message-----
From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:44 PM
To: Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: [TheForge] Conference electricity

Actually this isn't the case at all. You don't need 
specifics to get quotes on elec, nor most anything 
else. There are exceptions but not that many. What's 
needed is the range of service necessary.

When you build a house do you try to calculate the 
requirements of every appliance you might want in it? 
No. If you aren't an electrician you ask one; what 
industry standard is for a house of x/sq/ft and if 
you're like me, add a little for a cushion.

All that's needed to know at this stage is what the 
average wattage/apmerage/whatever, used at the last 
conference was and arrange for a little more. If there 
was an unusual requirement say 440v etc. that would be 
a necessary spec. Otherwise all you need to know for a 
quote is for example: 50,000 amps of 220v 1ph and 5,000 
amps of 220v 3ph.

Most of what's available at a particular site can be 
answered with a phone call or six.

Frosty
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From: "Grover Richardson" 
<grover.richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>



>
> Yes.  Problem is which came first, the chicken or the 
> egg.
>
> In order to specify power, you have to specify 
> hammers.  In order to specify
> hammers, you have to have confirmed demonstrators who 
> have specified their
> needs.  Getting confirmed demonstrators is one of 
> those tasks that runs in
> parallel with a bunch of other tasks<G>.
>
> Still, working off of last year's needs is a good 
> start and will get the
> baseball in the park.  As well, it will get the right 
> people asking the
> right questions or at least standing around looking 
> for answers<G>.
>
> Yes, get estimates, but before spending money, get 
> real information and firm
> quotes<G>.
>
>
>
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>
> You can get almost any power that you want.  I am an 
> industrial
> electrician and 220v to three phase convertors have 
> gotten cheap in
> the last few years andf transformers have always been 
> cheap.  Right
> now it is cheaper to pull 220 V and convert than to 
> pull 3 phase.  But
> they are right you need the equipment specs before 
> you can design the
> system and spec the power.
>
> David Childress
>
>

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