[TheForge] NJ Fairgrounds - Attn: Phlip

[David Childress]

Dave,

ABANA is not the SCA but what the SCA does works and what ABANA has
been doing has not been working.  And what is the purpose of the
conferences.  The advancement  and preservation of blacksmithing or
being a cash-cow?  If the Cash-cow model is not working let us advance
and preserve while finding another cash-cow.

David Childress
Rocky Forge Blacksmith Guild

On 3/1/07, Dave Mudge <dave at magichammer.net> wrote:
> Dan,
> I thought it was a camp ground rather than a fair ground.
> Didn't know there was a Feris Wheel.
> ABANA is NOT the SCA. Y'all need to stop making that comparison.
> Dan, I hope with all my heart that it would work, but it's sorta like
> the first time kid that comes into your shop and announces, "I wanna
> make a sword."
> I didn't ask for input, Clare did. How many board members are giving
> you feedback?
> dave m
>
> On 2/28/07, Dan Scheid <damales at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > IT is a Fair ground for Christ sake! Go to one and watch the Ferris wheel
> > As for set uptime the SCA GWW war on the west coast has 20- rented tent,
> > camp roads 50-100 port-Potty 3 shower trucks and many other things. The set
> > up voluntary come in on Sunday and the event starts on that Tuesday. Dave
> > you really come across with a "this will not work" attitude. If you want
> > ABANA to stop with the conference fine. But don't ask for input
> > Dan Scheid
> > Who is hosting an event on my land for 500+ in April/
> > //
> > ......It takes a every minute of a solid week in advance to set-up a
> > conference and then Wed - Sun for the actual event then two - three
> > days to tear it down and pack it up. How many days does $2,000 cover?
> > >
> > > What I told them was essentially a long weekend for the event itself,
> > > total of a week to include set up and break down- not sure where some
> > > estimates are wanting to take 3 weeks for set up and teardown.
> >
> > ......What sort of foundations do they have for big air hammers? Can
> > we get the fuel trucks in to refuel the generators and air
> > compressors? Is the ground solid enough for cranes and fork lifts and
> > pegs for large tents? More than one vendor operates out of a semi.
> > Will they get stuck? What is the local availability and price of BIG
> > generators, BIG air compressors, rough terrain cranes and fork lifts,
> > hundreds of feet of 2 inch (or larger) air hose, hundreds of feet of
> > electric cable, tents, bleachers, water, propane, coal, fans for "cool
> > tents" for old people, steel, rentals for welding, burning, and
> > general fabrication equipment? What about facilities for registration,
> > with high speed computer and telephone lines, ABANA and Conference
> > sales. These areas must be lockable at night. Can't forget computer
> > and phone lines for the majority of the vendors. We have indoor
> > vendors and outdoor vendors. The indoor vendors want to be able to
> > lock their area after hours. Where do the galleries go? Don't forget
> > lighting, display and dry for the galleries. We will need at least
> > half-a-dozen class / lecture rooms with seating and Power Point
> > capabilities. Where are we going to hold the auction? (seating, audio
> > / video, computer  / phone lines to process credit cards, lighting,
> > secure and dry storage and display area) Is this camping area covered
> > by "wireless" so that we can run the credit cards and the vendors can
> > run their credit card sales and we can run the world-wide web cam? OR,
> > will we have to hard wire telephone lines for all of that? ( dsl?)
> > What are the local fire / safety codes? Will a group of this size
> > require hired security? EMS? We will need at least 10 port-a-pots and
> > a service plan. What about parking? public transportation? Contracts
> > with food vendors and all of the above mentioned equipment and
> > supplies.
> > ......See the above comment. Still think that it won't take a week to
> > set it up? I am sure that I haven't covered half of what is really
> > involved in putting together an ABANA conference. It must be done in
> > an organized and professional way. It is after all the ABANA member's
> > money that we are spending.
> > >
> > dave mudge
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