[TheForge] Iron in the Fire- OT now Alzheimers

Thu Mar 8 21:50:52 EST 2007

And from what I've heard, researchers are now looking at COPPER.

CraigS
Gresham, OR

From: Rob Fertner <rfertner at cox.net>
>Date: 2007/03/08 Thu PM 07:50:49 CST
>To: 'Sponsored by ABANA' <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: RE: [TheForge] Iron in the Fire- OT now Alzheimers

>Got this off the web:
>
>The vast majority of mainstream scientists now believe that if aluminum
>plays any role at all in Alzheimer's, that role is small. If aluminum
>exposure had a major impact on risk, scientists would have gained a clearer
>picture of its involvement over the decades that they have been studying the
>issue, even though certain factors hamper research. One such issue lies in
>the widespread occurrence of both aluminum and Alzheimer's, which
>complicates the effort to characterize their relationship. Aluminum is
>Earth's third most common element after oxygen and silicon, and Alzheimer's
>occurs frequently in older adults. Another factor is the lack of an animal
>model in which to study aluminum's effects. The best animal models of
>Alzheimer's disease are mice that are genetically engineered to mimic human
>Alzheimer pathology, but mice lack sensitivity to aluminum. Rabbits have the
>necessary sensitivity, but there is no transgenic Alzheimer rabbit model. 
>
>Although research into the Alzheimer's/aluminum connection continues, most
>mainstream health professionals believe, based on current knowledge, that
>exposure to aluminum is not a significant risk factor. Public health bodies
>sharing this conviction include the World Health Organization (WHO), the
>U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), the U.S. Environmental Protection
>Agency (EPA), and Health Canada. Further, it is unlikely that people can
>significantly reduce their exposure to aluminum through such measures as
>avoiding aluminum-containing cookware, foil, beverage cans, medications, or
>other products. Even if aluminum were clearly implicated in Alzheimer's,
>these routes of exposure account for only a small percentage of the average
>person's intake. Most experts encourage people to focus their wellness
>efforts on measures with a proven impact on health or quality of
>life-avoiding smoking, exercising regularly, eating moderately, maintaining
>social connections, and remaining intellectually active. 
>
>The following points summarize some of the conflicting findings about
>aluminum and Alzheimer's disease: 
>
>Aluminum is known to be toxic to the nervous system, but its effects differ
>from those of Alzheimer's disease. 
>
>Some studies show elevated aluminum levels in the Alzheimer brain, but
>others do not. These studies include both "bulk" investigations measuring
>amounts of aluminum by weight and advanced analysis using laser microprobes.
>
>
>There is some evidence that in laboratory cultures of nerve cells, aluminum
>promotes aggregation of the protein fragment beta-amyloid into the amyloid
>plaques that are a hallmark Alzheimer abnormality. However, efforts to
>correlate aluminum levels with plaque density in people with Alzheimer's
>have been inconclusive. 
>
>Research has failed to document a clear elevation of Alzheimer risk in
>individuals with occupational exposure to aluminum. 
>
>Studies finding the most consistent link have examined elevated levels of
>aluminum in drinking water and increased incidence of Alzheimer's. However,
>there is no evidence that Alzheimer's disease is more prevalent in cultures
>that traditionally drink large amounts of tea, even though tea is one of the
>few plants whose leaves accumulate large amounts of aluminum that may leach
>into the brewed beverage.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Smoky
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:50 PM
>To: Sponsored by ABANA
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Iron in the Fire
>
>With all the information about Alzheimer's (sp?) I wouldn't like to eat 
>anything off aluminum.  My dad has that damned disease.
>
>Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge
>Home of Lem the Wonder Mule and
>Mol ASS es the slow Donkey
>in the middle of Northern Illinois
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jerry Frost" <frosty at customcpu.com>
>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Iron in the Fire
>
>
>>
>> From: "Woolley" <wjec at verizon.net>
>>
>>
>>> Terry,
>>>
>>> Mild steel plate won't eventually warp and crumble with everyday use? 
>>> 3/8 is going to be too heavy. Maybe I'm being clue less here given the 
>>> prevalence of  metal cookware made of AL, stainless etc., but I'm 
>>> thinking of what happened to mild steel when I used it to repair 
>>> andirons, it burned up. This is something that will be used alot in a 
>>> commercial kitchen.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> No, mild steel will work fine, it seasons like cast iron and unless you 
>> leave it outside it'll last generations.
>>
>> If you want to make it lighter than say 1/4"(?) I don't know how thin is 
>> too thin for a griddle, you'll want to put a rim around it to help prevent
>
>> warpage. Putting most of the rim under the cooking face will help trap 
>> heat from the burners and is probably a good idea no matter how thick you 
>> make it.
>>
>> The best argument for using thicker steel, cast iron, aluminum, etc. is 
>> it's cooking properties. The thicker the griddle the more even the heat 
>> and the less it'll chill when cold food hits it. The griddle on my Viking 
>> range top is around 1 1/8" cast aluminum and produces pro results.
>>
>> Frosty
>> -------------------------------
>> If it ain't forged
>> it ain't real.
>> Wrought iron is.
>> The FrostWorks
>>
>> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>
>> http://www.artmetalradio.com/
>>
>
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