[TheForge] Diesel Gas Question

Fri Mar 2 09:58:21 EST 2007

Was it completely filled with water?  I wouldn't ever light up on something 
that wasn
t purged correctly or filled etc.  I would also add soap to water after 
reading here. I was just curious.
Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dann at wctatel.net>
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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Diesel Gas Question

>
> My cousin took an award winning  photo picked up in by UPI, Sge snapped
> the photo just as a fuel oil tank exploded. It killed the welder that was
> working on it, and the shrapnel from the explosion also killed the fireman
> that was walking in to tell him to stop.
>
> Dann
>
>> Dan,   Point taken and I'm not one to enthusiastically argue an accepted
>> safety measure but is there really enough area in question to cause an
>> explosion?
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Brewer" <danqualman at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Diesel Gas Question
>>
>>
>>> The soapy water has less surface tension and will wet the walls of the
>>> barrel.  You can salvage most of the fuel first by tipping it on it side
>>> over a plastic bucket.
>>> Dan in Auburn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Woolley
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:06 PM
>>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Diesel Gas Question
>>>
>>> Dann,
>>>
>>> What is the point of using soap?  You're basically displacing
>>> combustables
>>> with water, right?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <dann at wctatel.net>
>>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Diesel Gas Question
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> "making kerosene"
>>>>
>>>> I've been lucky and welded a bunch of old 55 gallon oil barrels without
>>>> an
>>>> explosion.  I squirted some dish soap in the bottom of the barrel, and
>>>> put
>>>> a hose in and filled the barrel up with water.   Then, without draining
>>>> the soapy water, I welded.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than get water in your barrel, and then waste 4 gallons of
>>>> diesel,
>>>> why not make a chain sling to hoist it?  Or think of the chain keepers
>>>> that hold your oxy acetylene tanks to the cart.  Shouldn't be hard to a
>>>> barrel lift hook bar with a foot under the barrel and a couple of
>>>> chains
>>>> that hold it that way.
>>>>
>>>> There are also special hooks made for moving 55 gallon barrels. Maybe
>>>> even
>>>> Harborfreight probably sells them.  Your friend that sold you the
>>>> barrel
>>>> probably has something you could look at for an idea.   Maybe you could
>>>> make one like it, easier than worrying about welding on the barrel?
>>>>
>>>> A 55 gallon drum of oil weighs over 300 pounds, but they rock and roll.
>>>> I've moved a lot of them alone, with just muscle while they were full.
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>> We lost electricity for about 80 hours with last weekend's ice storm.
>>>> We
>>>> are having  another ice storm as I write this.
>>>>
>>>> At my local hardware store, I bought the last gallon kerosene jug, and
>>>> it
>>>> was  -synthetic kerosene- last week.  We had power lines down, and my
>>>> oil
>>>> lanterns were half full from perhaps 6 or 7 years ago.  I blended the
>>>> "new" synthetic kerosene with the old stuff in my lanterns.
>>>> Then thinking of the price of the new stuff: It was $9.99 for a gallon,
>>>> I
>>>> remembered back nearly 30 years.
>>>>
>>>> Note, Burning any unvented heater, or even a kerosene lantern in a
>>>> modern
>>>> well insulated home in't wonderful for air quality. I've always had
>>>> kerosene laterns, in old drafty homes.  Our home now is so tight, that
>>>> we
>>>> only burned the lanterns, even with new store bought kerosene,  for a
>>>> few
>>>> hours at a time.
>>>>
>>>> First off, diesel fuel, gas, kerocene, are all vegetable soup carbon
>>>> compounds, but the product has a blended -mean- average- flamability.
>>>>
>>>> Back in the  oil crisis days of the late 1970s,  my local fuel guy told
>>>> me
>>>> that the kerocene that he sold was a blend of 90% #1 fuel oil ( #1
>>>> diesel
>>>> ) and 10% unleaded gas.  ( Mix well before initial use).
>>>>
>>>> The point is that the new, ( pale green )  low-sulfer diesel fuel that
>>>> I
>>>> get at pumps in Iowa is a winter blend of approximately 50% #1 and 50%
>>>> #2
>>>> diesel.   I took a gallon -gas can- and poured 12 ounces of unleaded
>>>> gas
>>>> into. Then I filled it with my winter ( low sulfer) diesel blend.  In
>>>> my
>>>> opinion, it looked like kerosene, and burned like kerosene in my
>>>> lantern.
>>>> I Shook it up, let stand, and shook it up again  before pouring in my
>>>> lantern and lighting the wick <grins>.
>>>>
>>>> I did my experimentation in a well ventilated area, as I was satisfied
>>>> with the results.  As they say, "Don't do this at your kitchen table"
>>>>
>>>> Dann
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just picked up a 55 gallon drum and a hand crank fuel pump so I can
>>>>> buy
>>>>> kerosene in bulk.  I planned on welding on some sturdy rings (1/2
>>>>> stock)
>>>>> around
>>>>> the top of the empty barrel so I can load/unload onto/off of my pickup
>>>>> using a
>>>>> block and tacklle hanging from a beam.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem:  The kerosene dealer thought he was doing me a favor when
>>>>> he
>>>>> gave
>>>>> me a used drum rather than having to buy a new drum.  The used drum
>>>>> contains
>>>>> about a 4 gallons of Diesel fuel.  I am going to drain the drum but I
>>>>> know
>>>>> if
>>>>> it had been filled with gasoline, the fumes alone could blow up in my
>>>>> face......So....How volatile is this sutff? I'll drain it first, but
>>>>> should I
>>>>> fill it to overflowing with soapy water before I weld it?  I would do
>>>>> that
>>>>> if
>>>>> it had been filled with gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
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