[TheForge] Diesel Gas Question

Fri Mar 2 09:11:31 EST 2007

Dan,   Point taken and I'm not one to enthusiastically argue an accepted 
safety measure but is there really enough area in question to cause an 
explosion?
Bill

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From: "Dan Brewer" <danqualman at gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [TheForge] Diesel Gas Question

> The soapy water has less surface tension and will wet the walls of the
> barrel.  You can salvage most of the fuel first by tipping it on it side
> over a plastic bucket.
> Dan in Auburn
>
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> Dann,
>
> What is the point of using soap?  You're basically displacing combustables
> with water, right?
>
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>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> "making kerosene"
>>
>> I've been lucky and welded a bunch of old 55 gallon oil barrels without 
>> an
>> explosion.  I squirted some dish soap in the bottom of the barrel, and 
>> put
>> a hose in and filled the barrel up with water.   Then, without draining
>> the soapy water, I welded.
>>
>> Rather than get water in your barrel, and then waste 4 gallons of diesel,
>> why not make a chain sling to hoist it?  Or think of the chain keepers
>> that hold your oxy acetylene tanks to the cart.  Shouldn't be hard to a
>> barrel lift hook bar with a foot under the barrel and a couple of chains
>> that hold it that way.
>>
>> There are also special hooks made for moving 55 gallon barrels. Maybe 
>> even
>> Harborfreight probably sells them.  Your friend that sold you the barrel
>> probably has something you could look at for an idea.   Maybe you could
>> make one like it, easier than worrying about welding on the barrel?
>>
>> A 55 gallon drum of oil weighs over 300 pounds, but they rock and roll.
>> I've moved a lot of them alone, with just muscle while they were full.
>>
>> **
>> We lost electricity for about 80 hours with last weekend's ice storm. We
>> are having  another ice storm as I write this.
>>
>> At my local hardware store, I bought the last gallon kerosene jug, and it
>> was  -synthetic kerosene- last week.  We had power lines down, and my oil
>> lanterns were half full from perhaps 6 or 7 years ago.  I blended the
>> "new" synthetic kerosene with the old stuff in my lanterns.
>> Then thinking of the price of the new stuff: It was $9.99 for a gallon, I
>> remembered back nearly 30 years.
>>
>> Note, Burning any unvented heater, or even a kerosene lantern in a modern
>> well insulated home in't wonderful for air quality. I've always had
>> kerosene laterns, in old drafty homes.  Our home now is so tight, that we
>> only burned the lanterns, even with new store bought kerosene,  for a few
>> hours at a time.
>>
>> First off, diesel fuel, gas, kerocene, are all vegetable soup carbon
>> compounds, but the product has a blended -mean- average- flamability.
>>
>> Back in the  oil crisis days of the late 1970s,  my local fuel guy told 
>> me
>> that the kerocene that he sold was a blend of 90% #1 fuel oil ( #1 diesel
>> ) and 10% unleaded gas.  ( Mix well before initial use).
>>
>> The point is that the new, ( pale green )  low-sulfer diesel fuel that I
>> get at pumps in Iowa is a winter blend of approximately 50% #1 and 50% #2
>> diesel.   I took a gallon -gas can- and poured 12 ounces of unleaded gas
>> into. Then I filled it with my winter ( low sulfer) diesel blend.  In my
>> opinion, it looked like kerosene, and burned like kerosene in my lantern.
>> I Shook it up, let stand, and shook it up again  before pouring in my
>> lantern and lighting the wick <grins>.
>>
>> I did my experimentation in a well ventilated area, as I was satisfied
>> with the results.  As they say, "Don't do this at your kitchen table"
>>
>> Dann
>>
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> I just picked up a 55 gallon drum and a hand crank fuel pump so I can 
>>> buy
>>> kerosene in bulk.  I planned on welding on some sturdy rings (1/2 stock)
>>> around
>>> the top of the empty barrel so I can load/unload onto/off of my pickup
>>> using a
>>> block and tacklle hanging from a beam.
>>>
>>> The problem:  The kerosene dealer thought he was doing me a favor when 
>>> he
>>> gave
>>> me a used drum rather than having to buy a new drum.  The used drum
>>> contains
>>> about a 4 gallons of Diesel fuel.  I am going to drain the drum but I
>>> know
>>> if
>>> it had been filled with gasoline, the fumes alone could blow up in my
>>> face......So....How volatile is this sutff? I'll drain it first, but
>>> should I
>>> fill it to overflowing with soapy water before I weld it?  I would do
>>> that
>>> if
>>> it had been filled with gas.
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> Dan
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